Memphis_Bill

And if you need it back up when you're fighting a single enemy? Even in the "MFing Warshade" guide, what's the suggestion - "Try to keep some enemies alive so you can go back and buff." A PB doesn't have to do that. If it's down to just, say, myself and an EB/AV, I can still pop Light Form and have it working at full strength. If a 'shade does that, they get... one enemy to buff from, leaving a very weak eclipse (how many teams leave a spawn standing just for a warshade? And don't forget, you'll be aggroing that spawn as well.) Thus the "wasted" Eclipse.
See above. yes, Stygian does decently with just a few bodies, but if you need it and the bodies have faded (or you're fighting something, such as ghosts, that don't *leave* bodies,) you're SOL.

And the groups that resist Warshade damage aren't all that uncommon. While not a long list, it's still enemies you'll see through the game (various ghosts, for instance.) The damage/hold from the PB is instant, the WS is DOT (not inconsiderable, but not instant.)

As far as slows vs knockback, there's going to be tradeoffs there regardless. Both can do them to *most* groups - and then they'll hit others where that may as not even exist (ooh, look, war wolves!) It's one of the nice things about running a mixed Kheld team - something that's a problem for one is not a big deal for the other.

You get dwarf earlier, and if you've got tough and weave toggled on, you're burning more END. Plus none of those give you mez protection. Or teleport (aka "immoblize? Caltrops? What are those?")

Just for clarification - I was thinking specifically of Tough (2 power picks, prereq+Tough, which also burns a pool - less of an issue now with inherent fitness.)

To protect against more than just S/L, the attack has to have that component in. Yes, many do. Not all. And those that don't have an S/L component to the attacks are not exotic - several Rikti blasts, for instance, are pure energy. (Which, of course, PBs have an innate resist to - without burning a power pick - and can buff further *with* another power pick.)

Not to mention you don't get that shield until your 40s. AND you have to pick the "right" APP (Cold, or Mace if you want to switch sides, run the patron arc and get that PPP) to get it - which locks you out of something else a PB can get natively, a self-rez.

Also, you're getting one resistance natively (well, two - en/NE) as a PB (or a 'shade) and building up from that, as opposed to starting with nothing.

... what does Achilles Heel have to do with anything? I'm not bringing IOs into tihs at all at this point. I'm talking specifically about what my powers can do as a PB, on their own. Otherwise, frankly, the discussion is about IOs, not powersets. And are you sure "we all slot acc to the 95% tohit cap?" On top of that, what about all the *other* levels where, no, there's no way on earth you could have your acc capped? The PB *still* debuffs defense with every hit.

See prior "Must pick the right APP, and get it in the 40s." I get mine at level *4.* IE, a full 40 levels before you can even *think* about it ... in other words, I get to pick and use mine through *most of the game.*

If you're complaining about Dwarf removing your attacks, you shouldn't be holding Hibernate up - which locks you in place and doesn't let you do anything *but* rebuild end/health.

And, yet again - you *must* pick one specific APP, and even then you get that power in your 40s (44 for Hoarfrost, 47 for Hibernate.) AND even with your DEF shield, something can get through - I can use Reform Essence while standing on caltrops. You can't.

Plus, neither of those is a self heal. I'm talking specifically Reform Essence.

You can't attack, or even move, while in Hibernate. Hardly a "godmode." While you're doing your popsicle imitation, I'm beating down on things. Of course, you're also talking about comparing "your" blaster - which has cold, so FON isn't even a consideration for you. And of course, I get Light Form 9 levels before you can even look at Hibernate (47,) *assuming* you (a) started that pool at 41, and (b) have taken two other powers by then from there.

- Switch into a tank form
- Not burn power picks on resistance (and get resistance to more than just S/L)
- Debuff defense with every single attack
- Buff their own HP
- Self heal without going into a power pool
- Get a "Godmode" in Light Form and stand toe to toe with tough foes

... just off the top of my head. Wish granted.

Go look at the market forum. Specifically, people offering (typically PVP) IOs for over 2 billion.

Now, go work out how they can do that. Even without the level 51-52-53 non-existent items being used to store stuff. And remember, as well, that you've got (playing NA) 11 servers with 12 slots a piece, and can email inf to yourself and others.

All you're doing is moving more stuff off market.

You've never seen flame under water? No, a match won't do it, but other sorts of combustion will.

They're generating electricity. It dissipates a short distance from them. This is a disaster... how?

Game limitations. Yes, I'd love to see everything work like the mayhem missions, but it can't right now. And coming back to a mission in the same spot is called "the entrance is selected randomly."

I'll counter that the "It looks ridiculous" is the developer stance for sometimes delaying, sometimes not implementing at all, some items. Water "blast" didn't look proper for water, so we don't have it, but what they could do was given to energy. We don't have permanent backpacks/jetpacks because they're not satisfied with how they looked on all body types and scales. We don't have an underwater zone because of everything that would have to be done to make it "right" (or "close enough to right.")

And we don't have swinglines for the same reason.

Rent "Office Space."

True. However, Light Form lasts longer, and does the exact same thing every time - you're not getting a "wasted" Eclipse because only one enemy got hit.

And, in a sort of "glass half full/half empty" point, it doesn't matter as much that it locks out forms, as a Peacebringer without dwarf isn't losing out on a potential buff the way a 'shade without the second Mire is.

Going to have to disagree here. I have no issues working RS into my human-side attack chain, and KB's going to be a personal taste issue.

But, again, can do so without requiring bodies, can do so with the same effect every single time - and I'd argue that you're not particularly losing. It's a matter of adjusting endurance before or after a fight. A Warshade's SC is just more visible.

Yeah. Not arguing this at all. Photon Seekers have needed love for a long time. They had the AI looked at at one point, but... yeah, they need help.

Don't forget, though, that PBs have not one but two "heals" (not counting Glowing Touch,) one of which is also increasing their HP. And the dev stance seems to be that "Mez protection = Dwarf (and Light Form.)"


Knockback takes someone willing to use it properly. Longstanding argument everywhere. And the KB you get in human form helps keep you *alive,* after all - if an enemy's away from you (and you DO get ranged attacks, don't forget,) and getting up off their butt for several seconds, it's a set of free attacks for you, or a moment to hit your heal/greens/etc.

Clarification/discussion:
Every new tanker should take taunt and see if it helps with your set/tanking style. Some sets have better aggro generation on their own, without taunt, than others.

See other comments re: exploits vs farming.

Still a few out there who do it. Going into most zones, though...
None of the servers are alive. I don't believe the game runs on bio-computers. However, you'll find activity on all servers. Some are more active during different times. Find one that suits you.

Yes, it is. So is PVP. So is badging. So is marketeering. Different people will find different combinations of these activities enjoyable, or not.

Anyone ever tells you you need IOs, like this... individual is trying to imply, just nod politely and note never to take any advice from them again. (F'rinstance, I ran all of my 50s through the new arc to unlock Incarnate slots. Several of them were pure-SO builds. The game is balanced at that point.) IOs can let you do some interesting things, yes, but they're not needed in the slightest.

"Don't use Shadow Fall / (other stealth/AOE stealth) during Rikti invasions or you won't get heavies."

One of the more interesting ... "discussions" in broadcast was about this. Specifically after one of the devs refuted it. Mentioned that it had no effect, pointed that out, and was told the devs were lying. Started fighting heavies, and pointed out "Oh, look - so-and-so still has shadow fall on." Somehow, the other person *still* defended that claim.

Who says you need to sink down to the bottom? Water can provide enough resistance for animals to push against and leap out of it to begin with. If it *didn't* provide resistance... you couldn't swim. As far as continuing? Enough velocity and the water may as well be a solid surface - unless you want to go with the 'skipping' theme, though that would still involve some degree of speed. (Apparently around 100 mph, in the case of a car.)

A "Swingline to nothing" would still look ridiculous.

Just the day job teleporter (on most of my characters) will do so - for 10 (or even 20, if you have both) uses, and it's on a fast recharge. However, the teleporter was not what I was suggesting. Something more in line with the portable crafting table (but not as irritating to get, or necessarily a physical "item" to summon) that leaves you in place as you check on/work with the market is what I was talking about.

Maybe, if SOs were still really all that were being used. Replace with IOs about then, never have to spend another dime? And don't forget the 50s don't stop being played - they'll STILL generate INF. Even if all I do is sell the common recipes that drop, that'll be millions a play session (with level 50 recipes selling *at the vendor* for over 100k in many instances.)

It also does nothing for those sitting on billions right now, *or* changes the fact I can (in time) get any recipe I want, while still making INF, by using merits of various sorts on top of drops and bids. Get 5 pieces of a rare recipe by drops, trading, etc, while still making INF (easily) - I'll have the money built up to make a 500 million INF bid on that sixth piece.

... though it's one of many /facepalm items in the game, which builds up an overall impression - and not a good one.

And the people using it are (a) typically using it in the middle of a city, where it's at least feasible it could "grapple" on something, and (b) tend to have other ways to get around as well. (jumping, driving, crawling on walls, flying a plane, etc.)

If it had that specific limitation? No issue. I wouldn't even argue if it managed to "detect" if it could swing, and swapped you over into not-quite-superjump when it couldn't. (Edit: Nebulous Form level "jumping" is what I'm thinking of.)

A natural what? Natural does not necessarily mean human. And origin itself has no particular meaning.

No, it doesn't. It really doesn't.

And nobody drowns. Besides, you can "push" yourself from the water, somewhat, as water's got a physical presence. (And there's no telling what's underwater, either.)

Tell me what you're swinging from going between Talos and the northern islands.

Yes, it would be limited to certain areas if you wanted it to look *somewhat less* lame. Lines to nowhere look ridiculous.