MayorOfAngrytown

Yes, thank you.

Even teaming, defense is going to be to your benefit. That will let you survive the initial strikes from larger spawns and such, or those times when you draw a lot of attention to yourself, etc.

It's more that many people find kb to be an annoyance (others find it to be endless fun). Honestly though, what you want on a Km/ build is recharge for Siphon to be up alot, and that means you'll have better buttons to press than the Torrent. Might as well free up a power slot for something else more interesting.


Can't comment. But the lack of Untouchable status is fairly significant. Why rez only to be struck down before you can bring up any defenses?


Are you dead set on this pool choice? Phys Perf is fine as a power, it's just overslotted in your build. I wouldn't expect a /wp to need this pool though, and without worrying about redraw maybe there are more interesting ones available?

Thank you for the coding breakdown. I had the basic idea, but see below for why I wanted to comment on this thread post live.


I am, just like everyone else on this board, a paying customer of this game. As such I am fully within my rights to express my opinion on aspects of said game. Saying "That's just how it is," is of no import. Over the course of this game mane things that were "just how it is" have been changed, and even if there is 0 possiblity if it being changed or completely unreasonable to code I still have the right, as a paying customer, to express my opinion on said same.


I cannot be the only person who was never bothered by this, can I? Who cares if the guy over my shoulder just nuked a spawn with a broken power? A: The broken-ness will get fixed soon enough, and B: we just got through this (tip mission for the 11ty-th time, trial for the 17th time, task force for the 5th time, itf for the 30th time, insert anything here) that much faster.

We'll agree to disagree on which evil was lesser. I'd rather have something patched once and be done than sit through another round of broken.

Except that you've made half of my point (as also expressed earlier in this thread); that the other Interface powers are effectively pointless for the types of characters that many people play, and that even "fixing" reactive doesn't change that.

Why not make the other ones better, although perhaps that's just a separate issue.

I was geniunely curious. I don't see it as an issue, but it's not all that different from the idea that Reactive did, and in many ways still does, favor certain powers and power sets.

This has been my point the entire time. Rains were rediculously OP, and now that the "Broken Fix" has gone live, the some of us get to be punished because one tiny subset of powers were insanely OP.

No one was standing around with a damage aura going and wiping out +4 spawns in seconds - not even with 2 auras could I approach that level of damage from Interface as it originally worked. Was I getting too much out of them? Sure, but seriously, would it have been so bad if it were an 8 sec timer? Or 6? 2 or 4 would probably still be OP. But a faster tick timer would be good for the ones that don't have a damage component also. I know they are numerically "better" than IO procs - but why *shouldn't* they be?

I hate to be a jerk about it; but you guys (imo) dropped the ball on sending the broken patch live. Period. I'm saying that as a player who doesn't have any ATs that carry Rains, much less do I actively play any Rains. None. I have to say that it feels like I am being punished because my delinquint (sp) younger brother broke all the fancy dinner plates.

I would have settled for the lousy 10s thing; even though I personally don't see the harm in compromising and giving Interface a better proc rate than invention procs - but whatever. It would have made ALL interface choices more desirable. But no.

10secs it is, okay, fine. Grudging acceptance here. The 1 target bug is just unacceptable though.

The problem is that, if anything, it makes the rest of Interface even LESS desirable for any character that is damage oriented. Why bother with a trivial debuff when there is damage to be had? I STILL can't think of any reason why I would take any of the other ones on any characters I would play through to 50. I guess it's just the irony. In trying to make Reactive less powerful and the other interface powers more desirable; you have achieved the former, and the opposite of the latter.

Which is just ... sad ... The rest of Interface needs some love.

So my only question is this:

When can we expect a fix?


Edit:

I did want ask a question to those concerned over "fairness" in power choices - do you consider it unfair that the only way to buff Judgement damage is to carry Musculature? This effectively locks you into your Alpha choice if you are overly concerned about such things.

I suppose one thing I could do is collect A-merits for the other +3 def IO and drop a slot from tactics to fit it in. I'd never do it all in a singular run, so I would probably leave that slot empty for a long time if I went that route.

AFAIC, every currency in this game can be called "Fake Money Units." Someone once posted that the only real currency is time, and I agree. I'll collect various spendier parts
through merits and AMs and craft those, but the cheaper set (and definitely not common io's) pieces I don't bother.

I'm not certain they can do that; there might be serious ramifications from the initial shock wave caused by the spontanous outburst of an overjoyed playerbase.

You are correct sir; for some reason I mangled that sentence. It was supposed to be about GC and Phalanx Fighting.

Note on those to the OP:

They're "1 slot wonders." Drop Kismet +acc in one and an LOTG in the other (unless that breaks the rule of 5s for your build, which I discovered it could in a shield build I was working on.)

Once the game figures out which ones of those is coming at you it codes with a position (with rare exceptions) and a type. aka:

Ranged + Smashing/Energy is coming at you. The game picks the highest of those 3 values (Ranged, Smashing/Lethal -or- energy/negative) for your defense and makes a hit roll.

Generally, since it's an either/or people go for either positional or typed. With the latter, because the vast majority of things coming at you have a smashing/lethal damage component, s/l defense is the common choice for typed.


Linky:

http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Defense

This. I don't know much about tanks (so far), but there are seriously hardy brutes and there are seriously deadly brutes, and then there are the ones that are both.

Sort of like scraps (and I imagine tanks); once the build prices hit the "ya I'm slotted out with set bonues and whatnot" mark, the lines get pretty blury. Incarnate powers doubly so.

Been following that discussion with great interest actually; I was coincidentally playing with /regen ideas a few days before it started. Mostly concept based, but hey - if a concept toon suddenly has a route to Monster-ish level regen ... Of course, I don't have Werner's budget - but who does? Pretty sure that I'm going kin/regen, which is different territory, so probably won't be nearly as uber, should be super fun though.

I think Werner and Sailboat nailed it. Once you learn the timing on Dark Regen, it's nothing short of amazing. As in, if you can manage to survive those few seconds: Nova Fist to Full Health Bar Amazing.

Granted it's conditional upon having fodder and hitting, but most of the time I don't have any reliability problems with it. He's not an AV soloer or anything, and protracted 1:1 fights are (imo) the only place where DR falls short.

In game, he runs around 40% to s/l and low 30s to e/ne, don't have numbers off the top of my head. If there were a way to run Ageless and keep the extra 5-7% resistance I get from Cardiac (Core), that would be awesome.

Musc isn't a really big boost, per attack, but on a combo with fast hitting AoEs (Quills, Death Shroud, Thow Spines, Spine Burst, Fireball) and lots of DoT clicks (even before interface) the overall increase in damage output seemed fairly noticable.

This is what I'm using as a build target if anyone is curious:

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...20&postcount=9

You don't need/want Dark Regen on auto, er I think. The activation time is pretty long and the damage is pretty lack luster. Also the endurance cost has got to be brutal.

I'm not a farmer and I use /blaze. Not everyone likes sp/da/blaze builds though, and body is the other usual choice. I used my extra build slots to blay around with Soul and Dark, but neither really seemed to bring as much "Man this is a rousing good time" as Blaze does.

I have a t2 Ageless that I run in conjuction with a (recently improved) t3 Musculature in my sp/da/blaze. By comparison to my T3 Cardiac, I actually miss the extra resistance more than the endredux. That is to say, I feel Ageless has been doing a better job on my particular build than Cardiac at endo management.

YMMV.

I'm building two configuration sets for alpha and destiny:

Cardiac/Barrier for times when I need godmode style defenses, and Musc/Ageless for when I want more offense. The latter will probably be my default mode, unless I find I am just too squishy otherwise. So far, not so much the case.

While I'm not a fan of the rule, it bothers me less in inventions than it does in this case. I know the point was to prevent the game from becoming too difficult to play without IOs, but that's a dead discussion. It's an opinion thing.

Maybe other options were more difficult to code, who knows, but I'm just dissapointed in the solution chosen. Heck, I would have settled for reducing the damage per tick if that solved the problem. Maybe it's that delightful color of orange all over the screen that I simply must see.

Previous brevity aside, allow me to clarify; I am in agreement with you on this portion, never denied it or thought it was truely WAI. In totaly honesty, I don't even have any of the powers you just listed above, or caltrops, or even Burn. Closest I have are dmg auras, which had significantly less output. Probably still mildly nerf worthy, but I think it went too far. What I am looking for here is a middle ground with a slant towards iPowers being truely epic.

This is where I'll respectfully disagree as it is a matter of opinion on degrees of power. IMHO, Incarnates should be able to roll standard content at trivial difficulty settings without breaking so much as a bead of sweat, simply because they are Incarnates. We have those diff sliders for a reason. Level Shift? Run everything at +1. Not hard enough? Start adding multipliers. Got yourself a couple T4 powers slotted? Start ramping higher. It just doesn't make sense to me that one minute I am standing toe to toe with Marauder trading punches for hammerblows, and the next minute I should have trouble defeating group of low ranking goons from the Council with little pee-shooter pistols and night vision goggles. It has nothing to do with an iWin button. No matter how powerful I can make something in this game (relatively speaking, not very considering some of the builds people use), there's always something out there that presents an awesome challenge.

Sorry, but I'm in the "make the other ones better" camp. Seriously. Will it still be pretty good, probably - but that's not really the point. Incarnates aren't "pretty good," their "Awesome." The problem here isn't that Reactive is too good (RainNukes and patches aside), it's that the other ones just don't measure up. You've illustrated this with numbers and other knowledgable folks have expressed the same sentiment - even taking into consideration the "stupid 10 second rule" it's still considered the best choice in most cases.

Which means that the other ones need love just as much as (if not moreso) this one needed a (imo less heavy handed) fix. If they were better, there would be less reactive going around.

I think so. I pretty much use them by default on any of my characters, if only in the default slot in Stamina. I think the general consensus is that they are a bigger boon over time than slotting for EndMod - although it still may be a debatable point. They are better if backed up by the other +rec procs and some +Endurance from accolades or set bonuses, but they are still very good.

You can run any of the endurance or heal uniques in Phy Perfection, and any of the endurance onces in Superior Cond. Generally speaking, slotting Phys Perf just for +regen isn't really that great unless you really have no where else for that slot to go. My WM/SD brute that runs three of them also runs Spiritual for alpha (more recharge and +hp for the freaking win) and I really only notice end issues during the occasional OWtS crash. I do plan to respect him into hasten, which may change the equation.

This.

There has to be a better answer than the stupid 10s rule; and the 1 target thing better be a bug.

What's next? Should my damage aura also only hit one target at a time? <_<

That sounds like their fix is bugged.

Otherwise I want my iSalvage back, or the ability to change from one type of incarnate power to another.

We all admitted that rains were OP, but the above is just too stupid to be WAI.

Can't stand those helipad pulls. Getting out of LOS from the turrets is vastly superior to standing where the adds spawn. I don't care how fast someone thinks they can drop the heals, standing in the turrets is just making it harder for no reason, lol.

The irony is that it's possible to be outside turret LOS and get Keep Em Separated at the same time. Simply stuff them into the alcove they spawn in front of; close enough for the badge, no turret LOS.

I find now (also on Virtue) that it's generally choke points with folks who have patches/burns/auras getting closer to doors and lore pets all over the choke point.

I see where you're going with this. As it stands I decided that both combos are too good to pass up, so I'm masochistically doing both. Also sticking with blaze for the full on scraster madness. I'll probably flip equation though; run Musc/Ageless as the default and switch to Cardiac/Barrier when I need more resliency.

Hitting a mental block with the base build though, this doesn't represent in-game, but the basic idea is the same:


I'm sure the slotting could be better in some way, just not certain how.

Thanks! I stand corrected. I was probably looking at a brute when I noticed it.

Want.