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...that buy all the crafted IOs that I put on the market? I am constantly amazed that I am able to buy a recipe and the necessary salvage, then sell the crafted IO for nearly twice what I paid. Sometimes more, sometimes less...since I've been tracking it I average 87% profit.

I almost never buy a crafted IO myself, and I don't really understand the mentality that causes people to spend so much more than necessary. In a few high-demand cases it may be necessary since the recipes aren't available or are very costly. But those are exception cases, and there always seems to be someone willing to pay even for IOs made from very cheap recipes.

I know there's a bit of an impatience factor at play, but even there, it seems like you could do better buying a recipe and salvage at high "buy it now" prices and crafting it yourself.

Of course, I suppose I should be happy that such people exist. I end up with a lot of extra inf because of it.


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Me.


 

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I've bought crafted IOs, but usually only when there are no recipes available, or the recipes are going for the same price as the crafted IO. (It's pretty weird when that occurs, but it does occasionally.)


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...that buy all the crafted IOs that I put on the market?
I have pondered this many times over the years. I can only conclude that since it is being done by people with lots of Inf, that it is most likely another marketeer or farmer.

I seldom buy crafted IOs from the Market. The only exceptions are when I know that they run cheap or that I feel like gambling by placing a really low bid and can afford to wait months.


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Commons or Sets? Sets I can understand if there aren't any recipes on sale and people really want them NAO, but commons I don't get because you can always buy the recipes from a crafting station and have it almost always work out cheaper than buying crafted.


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My assumption is that, just as we have a segment of the population that refuses to use the invention system ("All builds should be equal, your play style is all that matters"), or the consignment house ("marketeering is what destroys a game, every time"), there is a group that refuses to craft ("I don't have the time or inclination to figure out what all this crap does"). Fortunately, they spend that extra tim farming, and have solid cash reserves to buy overpriced crafted IOs.


 

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I buy it nao when I want a build. bidding and waiting is for making money I don't want to wait for my build.


 

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Commons or Sets? Sets I can understand if there aren't any recipes on sale and people really want them NAO, but commons I don't get because you can always buy the recipes from a crafting station and have it almost always work out cheaper than buying crafted.
Commons are more complicated than that.

If you've got the recipe memorised, then you can effectively make it for 1/4 price, since you don't need to buy the recipe from the table. Getting common recipes from the auctions is possible but can be slow (I've never had good luck buying generic recipes on the market, the supply is too low), and waiting for the right one to drop will guarantee it won't drop. Oh, and the crafting cost once memorised is also halved.

So for a level 50 Damage, for example:

Memorised - Salvage costs (not going to be more than 2000, if you're patient.) + 232,200 crafting cost.

Non-Memorised - Salvage costs (see above) + 464,400 for the recipe and 464,400 crafting cost.

Memorised total - 234,200
Non-Mem total - 930,800

There's a teeny tiny little difference there

Buying crafted generics becomes worthwhile in that case, because I can't think of any level 50 Generics with prices that stay that high. They're mostly below the 'non-memorised crafting cost' level. There may be spikes from short supply for certain IO's, but they don't last long, if they did, I'd be cashing in, since I make most of my inf from generics <grin>


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Thing is though, memorizing them takes quite a lot of crafts, which cost money, so memorizing is only worthwhile if you plan on doing a lot of marketeering or using them to supply all your alts.


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I buy it nao when I want a build. bidding and waiting is for making money I don't want to wait for my build.
Same here. I play both sides -- I put up crafted IOs I generate and let them sit as long as need be, but when I want to put a build together, I want to get it set up and going so I can go try it out ASAP.


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I have pondered this many times over the years. I can only conclude that since it is being done by people with lots of Inf, that it is most likely another marketeer or farmer.
No no. It's players who want to pimp out as quickly as possible and get back into the action.


 

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No no. It's players who want to pimp out as quickly as possible and get back into the action.
A lot of the time, this.

Usually, I'll take the time and build my own. But sometimes I'll pop over to play with some friends on Virtue (not my home server) and since I don't play there a lot, I'll just dump money to get my guy up to speed as quickly as possible.


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i buy the already crafted when i can because im just plain lazy and dont want to go through and find the salvage i need and then run over to the university to craft it and run back to the market, ect

basically it comes down to being lazy lol


 

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Commons or Sets? Sets I can understand if there aren't any recipes on sale and people really want them NAO, but commons I don't get because you can always buy the recipes from a crafting station and have it almost always work out cheaper than buying crafted.
There might be levels that's true for but every time I've checked the price of a common IO was about equal to the price of its salvage. Given there's a recipe and crafting price on top of that, as well as the time it takes, I buy them when they're available.


 

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There have been times where I've paid less for a crafted IO than a recipe. There are also times where I've paid reasonable price for an crafted IO when figuring in invention and salvage costs.

But in general if I'm feeling lazy and need that one last IO and don't feel like another trip to the base to invent it I'll bid a few extra million to get it now.


 

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Me sometimes. Many times if we are talking paying 555,555 for a IO and I just want to do it from the markert without moving.

Then again, I'll also bid for overnight if I dont intend playing that character straight away, and thank those people that let me buy IOs for under 100k.


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I just started a new critter. I wanted to build some inf for itself, so I bought some level 50 IO's at 120K, listed them at 201K, and they sold for a million.

For any given value of "enough inf", There's always SOMEONE for whom that's not enough inf to bother with.

Also, if you play a "finished/nearly finished" character a lot, you have a lot of spare inf. What else you going to do with it, make a bonfire on Virtue?


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Thing is though, memorizing them takes quite a lot of crafts, which cost money, so memorizing is only worthwhile if you plan on doing a lot of marketeering or using them to supply all your alts.
Or if you want the badges or the ability to summon the field crafting table.


 

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The other thing to keep in mind is economies of scale. Often times the buy it now price for the crafted enhancement is about the same as the buy it now price for recipe + salvage. When I craft enhancements for sale I do so in stacks of 10 which makes it a lot more cost efficient to bid overnight for the ingredients which isn't the case with when buying single enhancements for slotting.


 

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I do too.

I needed a level 10 Karma knockback resistance IO for a new toon. Uncrafted, it was selling for 4 million. Crafted, it was selling for 45 million.

But there were ZERO for sale at 4 million, so I'd have had to place the bid and perhaps wait a day or two or three to get one. But hey, I can just go and get one for 1 or 2 hero merits and save myself 4 million, and get it now, right?

Wrong. Because for 2 hero merits I can buy a LoTG +Rech recipe at level 25 and sell it for 180 million. Which I did. Then I splurge 50 million on the crafted Karma and come out 130 million ahead. Plus, I can keep rolling with my new toon without having to wait around for perhaps days.

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Thing is though, memorizing them takes quite a lot of crafts, which cost money, so memorizing is only worthwhile if you plan on doing a lot of marketeering or using them to supply all your alts.
I do it for the bonus recipe and salvage storage on my characters.


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I do it for the bonus recipe and salvage storage on my characters.
Me to, also the portable workbench makes conducting my ebil business a lot easier. I barely use the memorization recipes themselves.


 

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Yeah, I do it for the workbench and the extra salvage storage.

I did that this weekend for Sparks Fly, my current favorite scrapper. I had over 500 items crafted already, and the Inventor badge from University, but I had none of the memorization badges. I managed to get field Craftier by Sunday just after Noon. ^_^

I was planning to do it for more than one character, but eh, it's too much work. I typically work up the energy to earn field crafter on a toon only once every 4-6 months.

As for buying crafted IOs... on cheaper IOs I'll do that when I'm working on a build, because I can slot them immediately. But on more expensive stuff I'll take the time to buy the recipe at a low to mid level price. Except that a month or so ago I paid 1.7 billion for a Panacea proc recipe and crafted it, and did not even realize that the crafted version was selling for just about 1 billion. O_o



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If only the tab for memorization recipes wouldn't be open everytime you open the window. That's the sole reason I don't go for the badges, it's a pet peeve of mine to have to close it everytime.