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My widow that still gets knock-backed while held, even though it got fixed for everyone else over a year ago, would disagree.

This.

I think we all lost.

In actuality, she is not over-thinking the suggestion, it is that complex. To simplify what she's saying DR affects attributes and the way it affects them is different per attribute, and per archetype. Secondly, DR affects your enhancement slotting also, so for a complete calculation, you'd need someone's exact build.

You are not without hope though. There has already been an explanation made (by Arcana) which will allow for a basic understanding of the fundamentals of the DR mechanic. Additionally there is a graph that you can add the appropriate parameters and get a rough estimate of the numbers (my apologies, I don't remember who created this). This should be able to get what you want from it, if you take the time to try to understand Arcana's post.

Arcanaville's Guide to Diminishing Returns
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...598#post794598

Diminishing Returns Graph
http://yarrison.org/dr/graph.html

I've been thinking about writing a guide putting the collective community information in one spot, but its a bit of work that I don't have the desire to commit to at this point in time.

Dear Mr. Positron,

I mean no disrespect with the following post. While DR does give developers more freedom in respect to moderating pvp effects; the problem is there has been very little moderation. As far as I'm aware, none of the major changes added with I13 have been tuned at all. There have been no adjustments to the major systems, even the ones that have glaring problems. Even major bug fixes take months to come down the pipeline.

In the above quote taken from the letter released with I13 you said the changes were to be a "solid foundation" for PvP. The problem is the pvp system is not solid. It is arguably more off balance than the original system. Many powers function completely differently than they do during PvE, and the system is overly complex even though gameplay has been simplified. This might not be such a problem, but it's not documented anywhere in-game. It seems like every week there's a post about people asking how this-or-that works in pvp. Most of the documentation has been put out by some of the more helpful, math-savvy members of the community.

With the release of the Incarnate abilities, I see pvp become more of a house of cards. The not-so-solid base system is being added to, how much will be built on top before it crumbles (some would say it did long ago)? While DR limits the effectiveness of the Alpha slot, will it do so with the next slot being released, or the one after that? The balance in pvp is already heavily tipped towards damage, how much moreso will it be when everyone is running around with fire-procs in their attacks, or -res? Lastly, it was said that I20 testing began before I19, if that's the case, how many PvPers are in the beta to give feedback on the affect it will have? I'd guess very few if any.

Steering back on topic, DR in itself is not a terrible mechanic. With all the other changes that have been made, it is a necessary mechanic. Without it, squishies would be running around with hard-capped resists, pvp would be terribly broken. Even though DR reduces defense numbers significantly, it also forces to-hit buffs into a very small window; effectively it makes defenses more viable than they were pre-i13, bringing them closer to the damage mitigation offered by resistance buffs. I still stand by 20% elusivity being the sweet-spot. Combining DR with some of the other mechanics is where things get bad.

Ex.
Imagine DR without global resistance. In that case, buffers with res shields would have some use again.

It would go a long way in the pvp community to see some small changes. Things like responding to feedback or observing/responding to testing, steps towards improving the system. It has been 2 years since pvp saw any big changes, in 2 more years without positive steps and the incarnate system, I imagine pvp will be un-playable.

One word of recommendation. Bring back base raids. PvPers like them. PvErs like them. Use pre-i13 rules, current rules, arena rules, it doesn't matter; people will like it and use it either way. It will make the PvPers and Base Builders both feel like they've had a cookie tossed to them. Sometimes a cookie goes a long way.

Not nearly as easy as you make it out to be. Some of the better stalkers can occupy a VEAT for an entire match. A coordinated pair of good stalkers can kill a VEAT pretty easily if its not tricked out.

Actually, yes. Just because you do not understand the math behind the system, doesn't mean that there are not people here that do. Your ideas about what could be good in pvp are not groundbreaking or ingenious, they are bad.

Using your example: It's highly subjective based on slotting because the system is so complex. Taking an SR at the soft-cap for defenses and 6 FF controllers slotted shields with 3x lotgs (it puts the shields at +17% defenses). In PvE the SR would sit around 147% defenses. In PvP it would be in the area of 48%.

48%. Bet you weren't expecting that.

Besides, while that 48% defense scrapper is running around having a slightly hard time being hit, his teammates are being farmed. DR hits squishies much harder defensively. They'd be farmed and the SR wouldn't be that much better off.

I apologize if this post seems harsh, but you constantly insult veteran PvPers. Many of the players you accuse of thinking one dimensional are far better players then you or me. They don't play those builds simply to be closed-minded, they play those builds because they work.

This could be the perfect time to try to get some attention. Whoever is replacing him might want to jump in and take on something that's been neglected for a while. I assume next issue we get some the rest of the alpha slot, maybe another section of Praetoria, and theres room for some pvp changes!

As a side note, when Vex isn't calling people bad, he's helpful. Not so much on the boards, but he spent a lot of time working with the less experienced players during the league last year. He's really a softie.

Fortunata damage is nothing to write home about. Its about on par with defenders.

Dark falls short on -regen. Since an even level AV has 85% regen debuff resistance, twilight grasp only reduces the AV's regen by 7.5%. While I am a fan of Dark, there is a noticeable difference between its effectiveness against AVs and the other sets mentioned.

Super Speed grants no stealth in pvp.

I don't remember when exactly it happened, but am certain it doesn't apply anymore. There is very few things that are irresistible. An easy way to check is to look at the power info. Things that are irresistible are labeled as such (like heals).