Leo_G

Gave, took. Whatever you want to call it.

But it's only fair to get something in return. And I want my Illusion/EA dom and my Ice/Ice stalker.

No frikken way. Proliferation shouldn't have happened at all but since it did, there ain't no backing out now.

You got my Plant Control from my Dom, my Electric Melee from my villain melees. The way sharing works isn't to stop once you get what you want out of it.

I've never actually played Illusion Control so never really got phantom army to see, but I always thought that those pets (or any pets) don't get Containment bonus damage.

AFAICT, looking up Redtomax, no pet carries the "If target is Contained (Immobilized, Held, Slept, or Stunned)" tag to do bonus damage. But if they do, color me impressed.

The other side of the issue is setting up containment. Illusion only has hold, confuse and fear, no immobilizes or stuns. So less than a quarter of the sets controls even set up the controller for its double damage since confusion doesn't count.

I'm actually curious how much spectral wounds would do on a Dom. It does 1 scale damage, 1.5 sec animation and 6 sec recharge, all psi damage. Would it rank pretty high even with the healback?

Lol, Dominators don't get Domination sets...those are for the support ATs like Corruptors and Defenders.

Dominators get control sets and Illusion Control is a control set therefore they should get it.

And if your argument stems from "The set doesn't benefit from Domination" well, the set doesn't benefit or facilitate Containment either.

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I'm wondering if I'm just awesome or maybe there was just a lot of room to work with this build to improve. With Hide suppressed, it runs at *juuuust* over the def cap for melee, ranged and AoE by .7-1%. It also has a tad more +rech and I get to use Water Spout to put a dent in hard AVs/EBs. Maybe she'll even be able to solo them ^^ Who knows...she'll probably run out of endurance fast though.

And is there a reason you put a stealth IO in sprint? Wouldn't really do much in PvE would it?

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Not necessarily true. A Stalker can make the opening move but most of the times, they'll rely on the team to take the opportunity to get in a quick follow-up.

Example: Doms can tank. But tossing out an AoE control, even with Domination going, will 75% of the time result in the dom taking some kind of alpha strike. A Stalker can mitigate that, use their armor to pull themselves back together and either run when demoralize wears or keep fighting if the dom locks everything down.

MM can tank. But unless they do a 'Go To' command to initiate, it might result in the spawn spreading (some staying behind to shoot while others run in to hit the pets). A Stalker can mitigate that by striking first and being the focal point of the enemy's attention for a short time at the start.

For a Tanker, well there's no reason to take the first strike. Tankers like taking their alphas probably as much as a Brute does so my Stalkers will work with those teammates and just wait.

If you want to work with the Stalkers on your team as a Tanker, my suggestions to you are:
-Don't bother 'herding'. Unless that's what the whole team wants, it's a waste of time and resources for a Stalker as they cannot set up for AS.
-Don't be a strict 'leader'. Leader, meaning the need to dictate which group to go to next, which path to go to, etc. Stalkers can't be seen (most of the time), so they can be looking through areas a spawn ahead (maybe even two if they're fast). I wouldn't label it scouting, but it can be a help to find mission objectives quickly.

This is probably why my enjoyment of /Nin isn't what I'm seeing in everyone elses. Honestly, the whole caltrops moving stuff out of melee messes with my cones from DB. *THAT'S* why I tend to either use combos or caltrops...and I didn't even realize it until I read that. Weird >_>

I think I might actually skip Caltrops on my DB character or just slot it minimally and pull it out for groups of foes that are annoying in melee. I think I can lean on Blinding Powder more in that case but I really have to play around with it with more slots to know...

Thanks! ^^

But it's gotta have 2 procs in Ablating...that's, like...a *must* for me to fully enjoy Dual Blades Also, it kinda doesn't do much with the Mako pool, which is kinda what I wanted to explore with this build with effectiveness taking a back seat to unique and fun.

I actually wanted Spirit Shark Jaws to be her 'specialty' cause I like the animation and I already got 2 parts of the Lockdown set plus the +mag proc.

I must have gleamed over that point.

Kind of unfair to typed defense sets that this power adds melee defense and no typed defense. Pools should be equally beneficial to these types of things.

Np, just making discussion.

But I'd say the likelyhood of it being an auto power is the willingness the devs have to alter basic control mechanisms. So yeah, not likely.

The way I imagine momentary flight is similar to super jump in that, you hold the jump button and you keep 'jumping' and you release the jump button (or reach max height) and then go down. The difference being, you keep holding the jump button and moving in a direction, you keep flying. If you release the jump button (or run out of airtime), or you stop moving 'forward', you start 'gliding' down. Did I explain that well?

I guess it could work as a toggle too but I hate having to run more toggles >_>

Well, the idea isn't to constantly jump around to get the buff. The idea is, if mezzes are flying at you (which isn't always), you can attempt to 'escape' them by jumping. So if there are Tsoo Inkmen with mind control and energy melee all around, you can try to 'jump' out of their mezzes.

It's more like adding an option to 'try' to escape instead of what squishies have now: use breakfrees or wait.

You don't chug all your breakfrees one after another just cause you have them, right? That'd be about as useful as constantly jumping around for the buff.

Well, I wasn't suggesting the auto power give flight. AFAIK, Ninja Run has some kind of affect on movement friction so that you can move differently in mid-air. Not sure how it works but, when I have NR going and TPing around on auto-run, I can keep moving more easily after coming out of a teleport and immediately move in the direction I was auto-running in when the hover ends. I was kinda talking about a power that improved on that, giving you extremely loose friction and moving capabilities while in that hover state.

Nothing to say about the stealth comment. I was mainly bringing up the utility this power offers to different ATs/powersets.

But you were only talking about the defense not suppressing? Not the stealth? Well, I guess it still be pretty useless on a Stalker but not completely. For the DA/EA users, it'd still have no use.

Well, that's a bit close to Transference (granted that's AoE) but I'd fully expect the usability of the power to come into question. I guess out of combat or ranged or on a moderate-short recharge, it'd be good.

This.

I think it's a shame that WP gets nearly all the utility of Regen + an awesome rez (the thing has +dmg, +ToHit, +recover *AND* a big recharge bonus! For 90 seconds!...granted it does have a dmg and ToHit debuff after that 90 sec).

If not a 10sec untouchable on the Revive, how about a 90sec +res to all dmg (except psi). Then at least it'd have some incentive for me to die...

Air Mastery is...useless. Granted, it gives some stackable defense for your flight characters, it's not much and is really only useful when using hover as you can pretty much cap flight speed with an extra slot in flight.

My suggestion-
(T3) Momentary Flight: (auto) Special Flight, increase jump speed, +3pt of KB protection.
Changes leaps into 'flight' for a short time and also greatly improves jump speed. This would be a power for characters that can't really fly but have momentary aerial abilities. It'd be handy for those situations when you're in a set of caltrops or quicksand and you can't jump out, this'll let you fly-jump out...if we can code such a power.

I'd also think about stretching this to the Team-Flight power, granting 'momentary flight' instead of pure flight with a longer airtime. So if you don't want to fly, just don't jump and if you need to jump but you don't want to fly, just fly down after or let the air-time expire and fall.

You're not taking my Jump Kick animation. It's already quite awesome although I'd like the KU chance increased.

Elusive sounds like...a min/max power. It has no flavor and seems to be there just to add a bit more defense/resistance to a build...like an IO bonus rather than a power.

My suggestion-

(T2) Elusive: (auto) minor +defense, minor stealth, mez protection special.

Has a chance to grant mez protection when attempting a leap (like, maybe 25% chance of 2pt of protection to all for 30sec). Not really useful for melee characters but could be a tiny bit useful for those squishies. Would be cool if you could keep pressing the jump button while mezzed too to try and break free from it.

I like dimension walk. But I'd rather it just be an auto-power that gives some defense and a bit more hang-time after a TP...also, give you a bit of movement like when you run Ninja Run while TPing (let's you slide around while hovering and moves immediately in the direction you're running afterward). Maybe add a stealth that diminishes after 10sec of a TP...hmmm, but that wouldn't be that usable without teleport...

Good luck with that change. I don't take Hasten on many builds myself, but I can imagine some getting rather peeves about that one.

I like the change to stealth. As a Stalker, it's a useless power for me in PvE. If the stealth didn't suppress, it'd be a good power to use on any character that didn't want to draw aggro...however, I think that'd infringe on the unsuppressed stealth of Dark Armor and Energy Aura, which, IMO, is a key feature to their aggro management. So it'd be trading utility; It wouldn't be useless on a Stalker anymore but it'd be useless on a DA/EA character.

Can we get more phase powers? I'd love it if the T2 of Concealment was a ST melee foe phase that lasted around 8sec and made the foe completely invisible (you can't see it at all). You could still target it but if you waste powers on something you can't see, that's your own fault

Uses would mainly be to sneak up and eliminate an annoying target for a short time...maybe even phase yourself so you can just deal with that target for a while.


What if Kick was a cone/TAoE melee attack instead? I mean, if you're a fighter, you should have one of the better melee fighting powers in your pool

I'll take it.

I'll take it too. Honestly, never found the use of a ST taunt when you could just get an AoE taunt...I mean, who needs to only taunt 1 target anyway? And I'd be able to squeeze in Invoke Panic into my /DA stalker build...win win

Probably not. I just really doubt you'll get a +end power unless the actual END cost was great.

Honestly can't think of any type of power that'd be good here...

Candidates I can think of that'd be different, useful and thematic:
-Portable Hospital: (summon) +Interrupt redux, small +rech redux bonus, special. If an ally is defeated, and you have this power summoned and are standing nearby, allies can choose to TP to that instead of the hospital/jail. They'd still be dead but safe...Useful for your rezzing support allies (could take Recall...or PH if it's more thematic for the character than teleportation) and great for your non-support allies to help out.
-Vitality patch: (Click Ally) +END. Grant an ally a temp power for 4 minutes. The power will remain on them until it expires or they dip below 25% END upon which the temp power is expended. Grants +25% END and resistance to END drain/-recovery.

This I don't think many people have touched on.

We need more fat shields. The stone elemental shield is pretty fat. Now I need something about that size but metal with techy doo-dads or glowie magic symbols/auras or something...but it needs mass >_>

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Stipulations on the build: I want Mako mastery because that'll be her 'special' of my character list (I only have 1 character with Mako that's a Dom mainly for the pet). She needs all the attacks because I like having all the combos >_> Ablating needs 2 procs in it.

I knows: She doesn't have KB protection. I like not having KB protection on some characters. I had it on my Spines/DA but took it off and he's still awesome. The build isn't in the power order. I usually leave that up to what I need/want at the time or respec into it. Also, no fitness because, by the time I get to the point of IOing her, we'll get it for free...that's what that extra slot in brawl is for ^_^

I was aiming for perma-hasten (the only character I have to have such) but couldn't get even close without fudging up the defense and getting the powers I wanted.


*reads OP*

What to pair with /Nin? Probably not Dual Blades. I enjoy my DB/Nin but I often find myself using either or of their tools. I dunno why but I rarely use the trops (but they're nice to have). If I use the trops, I end up just not bothering with combos. Still don't have smoke flash so haven't tried that.

How about Kinetic Melee? Angry Citizen's favorite stalker that he proclaimed the best of the best of all of stalker-kind was a Dark Melee/Nin and having played a DM/WP, I'd probably agree to a point. Not as AoE-tastic, but a great mix of ST and utility ontop of a utility rich secondary.

Well, it *is* only the first 2 powers. They aren't meant to be super strong abilities. Considering other tier 1/2 powers are gale, O2boost, a couple heals, or a toggle defense power that make you unable to affect anything else...

And the difference between these and those other triage powers is, this is more mobile because it trades your potential mobility for a quick 4 second recharge. After all, what's so great about dropping a triage and then being able to walk away from it?

I say, wait and see what the other powers are before pigeonholing the sets capabilities. Who knows? Maybe there'll be some angle that makes moving the movement penalty not as detrimental as you think.

I dunno...

Looking at the pics, the girl has swords about 2/3 the size of her body dual wielded but it's a tad hard to fully measure as the perspective is skewed (the sword in the foreground is probably angled to look bigger than it is while the sword held up is on the same ground as her body).

Sam's Mutant seems to have a pair of blades a bit more than 1/2 the size of his body. I'd estimate it at .55 to .6 times the size of the body. The size gap between what we get in CoH and those other ridiculous games is less than 15%? That small?

the shape of the blades is irrelevant to me, as we're not asking for specific models, just discussing size. And she doesn't appear to be holding it any more odd than what we'd do during a Dual Blade attack (by the way, have you seen the ridiculously FUGLY ninja run stance with 2 blades out that we get? Seriously, fix that ****). Now if she was using a reverse grip or some such with a weapon that size, or flipping it around off her boobs or something then yeah, that'd be silly. AFAIK, she just looks like she's about to swing. But there's not much to go on with just a pic so no real reason to go any further with that.

I don't know if Sam or anyone here is asking for a city block sized sword...probably just more swords that are 'fat'. We've got nice 'length' swords but most are very thin. When looking at the OP picture, what I notice is the 'mass' of the weapon, not really the length (as the perspective of that pic belies it size). With a weapon that's fat enough, it has more room for tapered razor or serrated edges, embroidered symbols and stuff that you can actually *see* without needing to zoom right up to it.

Just look for yourself:


Not sure if one is actually 'longer' than the other but the organic BS has a nice feel to it because the blade is so big. It's nice. And it's definitely not immersion breaking just different. And while the fantasy sword is much thinner, it's actually one of the fatter of the BS models.

That said, some options for a few 'longer' weapons wouldn't be that bad. So long as the length is within reason (single hand weapons not longer than the character), I don't see how it'd be particularly ridiculous...unless there are no characters with super strength in this game.

PS: for those weapons as long as the character, I'd mainly be looking for such models on Broadsword/Mace/BA with some 2-handed animations. Remembering some of the reasons the BS swords can't be used for the Kat sets, it's because the swords aren't long enough to be wielded with 2 hands (or specifically, the handles). So make some bigger swords with bigger handles and swing 'em with 2 hands...because, to me, the current Broadsword set looks ridiculous to me because it has such big orange numbers but such weak animations.

And red foxes don't look anything like fennec foxes or northern wolves look different from southern wolves and the variety of 'dog' shapes can tip over a hundred.

The point is, it'd be *nice* to get hundreds of variety of canine shaped craniums, but honestly we don't *need* that many. If anything, what we *need* is to be able to wear hats and hoods with those heads.

Bovine (bovinae) is a subfamily that includes everything from antelope to yaks who have varying shaped ears set differently on their different shaped heads. AFAIC, we don't need a slew of slightly different ears, just one.

And for horse ears, with the right shaped head, are the small cat ears we currently have.



It's more about the shape of the head than the ears themselves.

Then ask for the option to apply different fur patterns as well.

Many options not touched on but this is a topic that has been brought up often, compiled into many concentrations and desired by many.