Lemur Lad

hes been hitting every server.

they try it because they think if they can get past the filter by being someone's friend, they can then email them.

If this is just a speculation thread about what you think they're working on, you posted in the wrong place. You can't blame me for treating your post in the Suggestions and Ideas section like you were making suggestions and trying to discuss them on the merits or lack thereof.

What I'm trying to get at with asking you to explain your ideas is that if you want to play it, there must be reasons deeper than "because I want to" If you want to convince me the idea is good, you can and should examine what's in your head that you haven't conveyed, and try to convey it.

Sets can focus on aesthetics and be total failures in terms of function, the two are linked, and any idea for sets should examine how they'd play out together. Look at the progression we get from Dual Blades to Street Justice. DB looks great and has a lot of the same basic ideas and concepts at the root of their design. However in practice not enough work was put into the mechanics, and DB is a much less played set than it could be because of that.

We don't just want new sets for Dominators, we both want sets people will play! They have to not just look good, but be fun and useful so that people won't drop them before level 20.

PS- telling someone who explains why they're not a fan of your ideas for themes not to pick them, is really dismissive. Especially since you focus on basically just tossing a name out there and the aesthetics, instead of explaining why you want to play a set like that. Do a better job of explaining why Animals would be cool and play in new and interesting ways and convince me. Don't shut me down because I offered a reasonable disagreement based on what you said.

Great post Adeon, thanks!

Actually for a change I agree with GG. Give the people that paid the money and took the time to go the most consideration.

Would you rather they didn't UStream anything and we had to wait for tweets or forum posts when people got back to their hotel rooms?

What they did may not have been the most edifying for those of us that didn't go, but the fact that they at least made an effort for us says something, and the fact that they wanted to make things interesting for the people that did get up the go to go does too.

TL;DR- Get over yourselves.

Ionic is both the flashiest, and the most easily leveraged AoE of all of them, which is why a lot take it. I have it on one character, but overall I've been much happier with Pyronic and more recently Vorpal. I've never taken the cold one, and probably never will. I had void on my Scrapper and am much happier with Vorpal (both for concept reasons and the way it "feels" more effective).

So before the inevitable "you're a big meanie for tearing him down when you don't have any ideas of your own" post, I'll pop up what I'd like to see.

It's clear I want sets designed from scratch, so that's what it would be. People get far too hung up on aesthetics when it comes to control sets, and that often ends up making for less coherent gameplay.

So lets go with those ground rules.

-Make us something that plays out remarkably different than most other Control/debuff sets we have.

-Since we're talking about Dominators, make a set that specifically accounts for how it would behave under Domination, because it would be really nice to have a set specifically designed for how Doms get played in the modern game, then adjust it for Controllers after the fact, instead of making a typical Controllery set and kind of hoping it works ok for Doms too.

- Avoid the 2 Holds 2 Immobs 1 Pet cookie cutter template. I don't dislike it, but we're coming up with something new, right? Don't paint yourself into a corner by locking down 5 of your powers early.

- MAKE IT FAST pets aren't fast, drop patch powers aren't fast, use them if you must, but make the player feel like they're not a hindrance (Carrion Vines is a perfect example, a drop patch that follows you and continues to work). Use cool new things like Non Targeted AoE, and lingering status states (like Disintegrate) so that the work of other players becomes easier, and there's better group synergy.

- Don't include self defeating mezzes, or at least give us control over which ones end up where.

The idea in my head uses some of the thinking that went into Beam Rifle, Time Manipulation, and Street Justice. Make a Control set that works on a Reverse Combo system. Instead of Builders and Finishers, use Starters and Pumpers. The Dom then chooses the mezz he wants to lay on something as the starter, then uses the pumper to boost the effects. Some starters could pump up from Single Target to AoE, Some could pump from low damage to high, others could pump up to being much less resistable or carry heavy debuffs.

The way I see such a set playing out is the Dom could lay fast quick controls on minions as needed and rapidly switch targets, or focus on the main target and pump up larger effects without being penalized for Over Control, and without feeling useless against the largest hardest targets.

Dark Control was announced yesterday at the Player Summit. They haven't said anything beyond that, and all they ever really said was in response to no powerset proliferation was that good things were coming for Dominators too. People tended to morph that very ambiguous statement into "Mystery Plans" or "big changes" and all the baseless speculation contained therein.

I am 85% certain that all they were referring to was Darkness Control already being in their pipeline, and we shouldn't be looking for much more beyond that.

As for your suggestions for sets?

- Their reasons for not doing Water Control have been made clear time and again, and calling it a cop out when you clearly don't know enough about it to say, doesn't make it a good idea. The few water like powers we have don't imply they could "easily" do more. In fact, they look bad enough that I wouldn't want them to cop out and do more based on what they did there. They used them in limited pools and rarely seen NPCs so the work wouldn't go to waste, but they level of Ugh is high enough that they'd never stand up to use as a 1-50 powerset.

- Animals? Not my thing and doesn't sound like it opens up very options for interesting Controls other than "X thing is on my FACE/LEG/ARM getitoff!"

- Cobbled sets are lame when other ATs get fresh and coherent sets designed from scratch. Cobbling 9 powers together from other sets is what got us the poorly balanced Assault sets we've had to live with for years. This point applies to the last 3 sets you suggested before Dark. Not to mention your descriptions of the Assault sets sound like Redraw Hell.

Corruptors or Dominators.

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