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Number 2 With getting rid of galaxy city villans and heros have one entry point. Atlas or Mercy or Praetoria
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Pardon me if I'm miscounting, but that's three...
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As to the lag. Sorry if I seem callous, but I'm not experiencing more than usual minute lags here and there. Nothing framerate-crushing.
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Hi long time vet here several thing i have noted continue to perplex me about new issue
number 1: I know lag we usually have lag before and after every new issue,but this one seems extra special . I know devs team working on reducing lag and stabilizing usually team is very good at it. This time it seems like been a month of lag lag outs and not being able to go to atlas park,first ward, do Trials.etc without lagging. Is there a special problem? |
The devs can only do so much about lag on their end. The rest of the problem is outside their ability to fix. For example, the players each have different computers. Some are brand new with the most recent tech and others are old systems that can barely meet the minimum requirements needed to play.
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Number 2 With getting rid of galaxy city villans and heros have one entry point. Atlas or Mercy or Praetoria I often see up to 3 atlas 1 mercy and 1 or 2 praetoria ( depending on sever color) To me it seems like one starting point maybe troublesome. Any way to have atlas and King row be starting point? or Atlas and hollows or Atlas and Perez park? I don't know if this would fix number 1 issue or 2 but i am sure it makes for less crowded feeling |
Bwa? You don't like the crowded feeling you get seeing people split up between multiple starting zones (Atlas Park 1, Atlas Park 2) so your suggesting they split people up between multiple zones (Atlas Park, Kings Row)?
Do you even understand why Galaxy got the axe when they developed I21 Freedom? It was because nearly the entire games population prefers using Atlas Park. Galaxy City was only being used by players that wanted to avoid everyone that was using Atlas Park. Mainly role players and soloists that wanted peace and quiet.
So even if they replaced Galaxy with another starter zone, nothing will change because Atlas Park is the preferred starting zone for everyone. The only way you could get people to change their minds, would be to get rid of Atlas Park.
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Number 3: was doing moon fire and Renault and noticed that Raids ( Rikti,Zombie,banners) were going on in zone. usually i like raids but in this instance was doing the hunts 9 hunt 20 council, hunt 10 longbow) so it kind of got annoying anyway to not have the raids in same zone at WST/WTF? Some of these probably been answered some where my search fu is as weak as my spelling and grammar so if any one can point me to them thank you in advance and sorry for spelling/grammar errors |
Raids happen randomly, deal with it.
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I doubt much can be done about this. It sucks but it is something we've always had to deal with (well, at least since trigger-able zone-raids were introduced). And what should then be done during Numina WSTs? That has a hunt in EVERY DAMN ZONE blue side! If enough people are feeling particularly trollish one night and run several LGTFs and turn in salvage, it can cause quite a delay for a Numina.|
Originally Posted by Cien_Fuegos
Number 3: was doing moon fire and Renault and noticed that Raids ( Rikti,Zombie,banners) were going on in zone. usually i like raids but in this instance was doing the hunts 9 hunt 20 council, hunt 10 longbow) so it kind of got annoying
anyway to not have the raids in same zone at WST/WTF? |
Best option is just to sigh, park yourself in the air or a safe-zone, go grab a drink and wait it out (or participate).
"My inner mind has become a reality-cracking overgod. He torments me! Help!"
Atlas Park isn't crowded because it's the starting zone. It's crowded because that's where people hang out looking for DFB groups.
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Originally Posted by Cien_Fuegos
number 1: I know lag we usually have lag before and after every new issue,but this one seems extra special . I know devs team working on reducing lag and stabilizing usually team is very good at it. This time it seems like been a month of lag lag outs and not being able to go to atlas park,first ward, do Trials.etc without lagging. Is there a special problem?
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okay better said
1 for each start point
1 heros-atlas
1 villans- mercy
1 rogue-Praetoria
sorry didnt express it better
I really wish could blame lag on my computer but having just cleaned it,de fragged, updated etc I play 4 other mmos this is the only one with lag problem and specific to atlas,first ward,and war zones.
Opening one more start point makes less atlas some people not all experience equivalent to sand traps.
which means in certain area of the zone you move slower
or dont move
memory leaks etc
Could possibly be other solutions
1 if costume etc contest moved to other zone so less people in zone like pocket D or kings row
2 move lvl 7+ missions out of atlas (tips etc)
3 wait until other mmo comes out in december and people move on and eventually gets less laggy
as Ood Sigma said....We will sing to you, Doctor. The universe will sing you to your sleep. This song is ending. But the story never ends.
You do understand that when there is a 2nd or 3rd Atlas, those zones are JUST LIKE the difference between Atlas Park and King's Row, except that they happen to look the same?
The game servers create a new copy of a zone whenever it nears capacity. It get's all it's own resources, and is only connected to the other version of the zone in the ways all other zones are, through chat channels and transit points.
What you are calling "lag" or Atlas being too busy, really sounds like problems with your own machine, and not the game. The price of shiny new zones is the shiny new graphics don't always work as well for some people. The problems you're describing sound EXACTLY like that, since for the most part, they're not being experienced by everyone (or even a lot of everyone).
"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill
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wha.....? I don't understand this sentence.
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Opening one more start point makes less atlas some people not all experience equivalent to sand traps.
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He's trying to say having more than one Atlas makes people in Atlas have an experience like moving around in a sand trap. As I said, it's clear he doesn't understand what happens when a zone splits, and what is causing his slowdowns (which are personal and not global for all players).
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wha.....? I don't understand this sentence.
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"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill
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Ok, I get it now. Thanks, Lemur Lad.
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He's trying to say having more than one Atlas makes people in Atlas have an experience like moving around in a sand trap. As I said, it's clear he doesn't understand what happens when a zone splits, and what is causing his slowdowns (which are personal and not global for all players).
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Originally Posted by Cien_Fuegos
I really wish could blame lag on my computer but having just cleaned it,de fragged, updated etc I play 4 other mmos this is the only one with lag problem and specific to atlas,first ward,and war zones.
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Depending on what your computer specs are, all the defragging and updating in the world might not help.
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It might be you. I have not had any lag issues lately.|
Originally Posted by Cien_Fuegos
I know lag we usually have lag before and after every new issue,but this one seems extra special . I know devs team working on reducing lag and stabilizing usually team is very good at it. This time it seems like been a month of lag lag outs and not being able to go to atlas park,first ward, do Trials.etc without lagging. Is there a special problem?
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In practice, I don't expect them to bother. It's a very minor issue.
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Okay, before I said it MIGHT be you. With this further information, I'm sure of it. If it's only hitting you in certain zones, your system isn't able to handle the activity in that zone. Cleaning/defragging/updating don't mean jack. What are the system specs? "4 other MMOs" really doesn't say anything, either.
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I really wish could blame lag on my computer but having just cleaned it,de fragged, updated etc I play 4 other mmos this is the only one with lag problem and specific to atlas,first ward,and war zones.
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Based on reading the whole thread so far... The only solution I could suggest that hasn't been posted, is to avoid the zones during busy hours. Personally, I've had very little lag. I too though, am curious about what specs your computer has (and for that matter, what your connection to the server is like).|
Originally Posted by Cien_Fuegos
Hi long time vet here several thing i have noted continue to perplex me about new issue
number 1: I know lag we usually have lag before and after every new issue,but this one seems extra special . I know devs team working on reducing lag and stabilizing usually team is very good at it. This time it seems like been a month of lag lag outs and not being able to go to atlas park,first ward, do Trials.etc without lagging. Is there a special problem? |
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Number 2 With getting rid of galaxy city villans and heros have one entry point. Atlas or Mercy or Praetoria
I often see up to 3 atlas 1 mercy and 1 or 2 praetoria ( depending on sever color) To me it seems like one starting point maybe troublesome. Any way to have atlas and King row be starting point? or Atlas and hollows or Atlas and Perez park? I don't know if this would fix number 1 issue or 2 but i am sure it makes for less crowded feeling |
Galaxy was introduced due to Atlas's overcrowding. Due to the large disparity between the two zones (AE building, Vanguard DPO, size & ease of travel, etc) however.. Atlas was always more popular.
With the new server hardware & software that lets them stack zones a little higher (one beta server managed 11 copies of Atlas Park), they don't have that need.
There's still nearly no player interest in a second zone.
Finally, as stated above, with the switch to free/premium/vip they need the starting zone to be more crowded, it just looks better from a "health of the mmo" standpoint.
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Between the Loyalists and Resistance, I'd be tempted to support Praetorian Hamidon.
One side uses mind police and will "disappear" you and the other uses poison gas and bombs on civilians. Hamidon? He'll just have a tree eat you. Much simpler. If we're all going to be oppressed and/or killed by someone, it might as well be the walking trees. At least they don't speak in annoying code or doublespeak. They just devour you. |
My computer hates the new updates to atlas. I start most new heroes at odd hours now to make sure of less slowdown, and get out of atlas real quick. Which is a shame, as I really like the updated look.
I might have to try it on a lower pop server and see if it improves and use a transfer if so 
I don't suffer from altitis, I enjoy every minute of it.
Thank you Devs & Community people for a great game.
So sad to be ending ):
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wha.....? I don't understand this sentence.
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Originally Posted by Cien_Fuegos
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I really wish could blame lag on my computer but having just cleaned it,de fragged, updated etc I play 4 other mmos this is the only one with lag problem and specific to atlas,first ward,and war zones. ... |
But even if you just have a 'middling' computer/inernet situation... Comparing Co* to any other MMO in regards to lag/performance is akin to comparing a Boeing 727 to a Yugo, in many instances. Both can get you from Point A to Point B, and each is efficient in their own way, but they ARE DIFFERENT, and what's required to use them is also different. Comparing them becomes... wrong.
Therefore, by the same token, comparing any other MMO to Co*... or any other MMO to any other MMO, frankly, in this way, is... well, wrong.
I understand why you'd do it, but it really isn't a good argument, and hasn't been since I6.
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1) Story. You went back in time and prevented the meteor disaster from happening in Atlas Park| Do you even understand why Galaxy got the axe ... |
You may ask, why couldn't it have hit another zone then? one that was less used? That is the 2nd part
2) If they left in Galaxy City they would need to build new starting arcs for two zones rather than just one with all the phasing and whatnot they built into Atlas which would mean they'd also have to completely rebuilt Galaxy as well to handle the missions.
Hi long time vet here several thing i have noted continue to perplex me about new issue
number 1: I know lag we usually have lag before and after every new issue,but this one seems extra special . I know devs team working on reducing lag and stabilizing usually team is very good at it. This time it seems like been a month of lag lag outs and not being able to go to atlas park,first ward, do Trials.etc without lagging. Is there a special problem?
Number 2 With getting rid of galaxy city villans and heros have one entry point. Atlas or Mercy or Praetoria
I often see up to 3 atlas 1 mercy and 1 or 2 praetoria ( depending on sever color)
To me it seems like one starting point maybe troublesome. Any way to have atlas and King row be starting point? or Atlas and hollows or Atlas and Perez park?
I don't know if this would fix number 1 issue or 2 but i am sure it makes for less crowded feeling
Number 3: was doing moon fire and Renault and noticed that Raids ( Rikti,Zombie,banners) were going on in zone. usually i like raids but in this instance was doing the hunts 9 hunt 20 council, hunt 10 longbow) so it kind of got annoying
anyway to not have the raids in same zone at WST/WTF?
Some of these probably been answered some where my search fu is as weak as my spelling and grammar so if any one can point me to them thank you in advance and sorry for spelling/grammar errors
as Ood Sigma said....We will sing to you, Doctor. The universe will sing you to your sleep. This song is ending. But the story never ends.