Kyriani

I am not trying to prove or disprove anything. What I am trying to point out which i pretty much said in the post your quoted but conveniently cut off in your quote was that:

Is adding group content a good thing? Sure it can be, but adding just because "everyone else is doing it!" is not the best of reasons to do so.

Incidentally from your very own link, this sentence seems to support what I am trying to say Sure it seems like a good bet to go with the flow and do what seems natural. But it can have unintended consequences in the doing if you don't stop to think it through for yourself instead of just doing what everyone else does.

Would you call lemmings following each other over the side of a cliff a mistake? Just curious...

Just because everyone else does something does not mean it is necessary or even advisable for you to do it.

To truly stand out and not be "just another kid on the block" requires innovation and uniqueness. Not copy and pasting what everyone else does. Sadly it seems the mmo market has much in common with the pop music market these days.

I missed this. When/Where was this posted?

Just as an FYI the incarnate spiritual alpha will not affect domination. It only benefits powers that can be slotted for its effects and since domination cannot be slotted... well you can see where I am going with this

You're assuming people will choose pool powers for those 3 new picks. That isn't always going to be the case in fact may not actually happen as often as you might think.

There are many utility powers that end up skipped when people are optimizing their build. Sure there might be the odd pool picks to fill those slots but I am willing to bet we'll see more people with those oft skipped utility powers as well.

Powers like:

Group Invisibility work as both a stealth power, defense buff and mule for a LotG. Requires no slotting if mainly using as a mule.

Mutation: res + buff with no slotting needed at all!

Blackhole/Detention Field/Sonic Cage: while not ideal they all function as emergency CC and require little to no slotting when used as such. A single accuracy IO and you're good to go as an emergency power

Fallout: Even without slotting its another debuff you can apply situationaly (when an ally has fallen). And it does some significant damage even without enhancement.

Single target and/or aoe immobilize powers: Many controllers skip these powers or respec out of them later. With freed up power selections they could be added back in. Single targets have inherent acc bonuses meaning you could toss a proc or some sort in there and call it a day. AoE immobilizies are also viable proc mules though they suffer from worse acc. With slotting however they can be turned into pretty effective aoes depending on what procs you can slap in there.

Taunt/Confront: Many archetypes with these powers skip them. They are pretty effective with no slotting at all and could easily be taken for more threat gen or utility (the scrapper who wants to yank a nasty off a squishy)

Of course there will be pool powers taken... the concealment pool is probably the easiest to abuse for LotG mules but I honestly think we'll see players using their 3 freed up power choices for a variety of utility that often gets benched today.

I was always hoping he would... *wistful sigh*

On this we agree... it seems you and one other person were eloquent and intelligent in your explanations. Others were not so much... and outright said that the change wasn't worthwhile because they didn't get any new slots with the extra powers.

I agree that the slot to power ratio has diminished slightly.

I agree with you that this is not a bad thing.

You may not be but it sure sounds like QQ to me. Perhaps I am mistaken. But it sure sounds like these people are complaining about getting 3 free power choices... they may not be but from their posts it certainly seems that way to me.

I'm not really arguing anything... I just cant get my head wrapped around this whole "monkey with his hand in a cookie jar crying that his hands are trapped by a handful of cookies" thing...

People are trying to say their builds will somehow be more difficult to build because of having 3 new power choices with no more slots. I say those people's builds don't have to change at all and that there are plenty of power picks out there which are good out of the box or can server as mules for global IOs

I am completely aware of all of those folk saying they LIKE the change.

I just dont understand why they seem to denote some sort of negative connotation to the fact they are getting 3 more power choices but no new slots. It's like the OCD in their brain is demanding that they pick these powers that need slots and "woe is me! not enough slots to sate the OCD demon demanding I squeeze every last ounce of enhancement out of these 3 new powers!"

I'm sorry no. You do not have any less slots. You do not HAVE to take three new powers that require slots. You are being given 3 freebies to use as "powers good out of the box" as "mules for global IOs" or in some cases "3 powers you might actually adjust your build to slot"

You are not REQUIRED to do anything. You DO NOT HAVE to change the slotting of your build AT ALL. You may WANT to but you do not HAVE to.

I'd love to see "tights with skin" have secondary color options and I'd also like to see a tights with skin for males option.

No apprehension here... the incarnate system will not affect levels below 50 at all. And it is designed around us doing things AT 50 and continuing to give us content to enjoy AT 50. Whats to balance? Nothing will really be changing as far as how powerful IO's make us at 50 or below. And the game is balanced around SO's not IO's. IO's are SUPPOSED to let us break the limits imposed by ED to some extent.

I very much doubt we'll experience any rebalancing due to the incarnate system since that system only affects the lvl 50's and is precisely content lvl 50's want/need to continue enjoying/advancing their characters. The content for "beyond 50" is designed around us being as powerful as the incarnate system makes us.

When you look at it from a number of slots vs number of powers I suppose that is true. HOWEVER that doesnt mean EXISTING CURRENT BUILDS will be invalidated or harmed in any way by this change

Those builds can stay exactly as they are with 3 mule slot powers or 3 utility non-slot needing powers.

I dont understand how you think moving fitness to inherent is going to make your build any tighter

No you wont have any additional slots... but you're coming at this like you HAVE to slot these 3 new powers you take in place of the fitness pool? Why?

Seriously your build isnt getting any tighter. You're getting 3 free mule slots for global IO's or some utility powers that are useful out of the box without slotting. Stop and look at it that way and you'll realize you're panicking over nothing at all.

why would they nerf endurance in any way? The power itself isnt changing in function or scale. If they were to nerf endurance they'd basically be doing a game wide nerf to virtually everyone for no reason at all.

It's simply becoming inherent instead of being a pool power

Other than that no changes.