Fleeting Whisper

So in your world, "grouped by their mechanical effects" means one of: Ranged Damage, Melee Damage, Damage Reduction, Crowd Control, Pet Summoning, and Buff/Debuff? Those are pretty damned broad categories, and still don't quite cover the powersets and ATs we've got. And don't even start thinking about the Kheldians and the Soldiers of Arachnos.

The the Necromancy Masterminds can specifically summon ghosts with their lv18 power.

"Lots" and "Not without Time Lord science making things bigger on the inside".

Nemesis is closer to Dr. Doom, with all his clones

I'm not sure why you're comparing Trick Arrow to Dark Armor

But you're missing the point. Tar Patch does -30% res and -90% run speed. Acid Arrow does -15% res and -20% def (and DM has no -def) with Disruption Arrow applying an additional -15% res. Glue Arrow inflicts the same slow effect as Tar Patch, plus -20% recharge (which DM can't do). To a single target, Entangling Arrow applies an additional -10% spd and -10% rech. Ice Arrow and Petrifying Gaze are the same... except Ice Arrow applies -10% spd and -10% rech as well. Poison Gas Arrow applies -20% damage, while Darkest Night applies -30% and Twilight Grasp applies -10%.

The long animation times in TA are it's biggest issue, because while TA's effects make it comparable to other debuff sets, TA's effects are spread out among multiple powers. The only place TA can shine with a single power is EMP Arrow, but that's almost identical to Radiation Emission's EM Pulse and it's not a power you can use every spawn.

I'm not sure why you're asking me to compare Flash Arrow (T2, an average power normally) with Fearsome Stare (T6, one of the best tohit debuff powers in the game). FA is much closer to Twilight Grasp (T1) -- in fact, they apply the same tohit debuff.

I wasn't cherrypicking with my earlier side comment. I was pointing out a quirk of Flash Arrow that is often missed when people look at the power. Flash Arrow has an unresistable -tohit. IIRC, the only unresistable -tohit available to players. Dark Miasma, lauded as the tohit debuffing set (rightly earned: on a Corruptor or Mastermind, DM has 35% tohit debuffs, plus a pet which can apply an additional 55% -- base values). A level 50 AV will resist 85% of most debuffs (including tohit), lowering DM to 5.25% (self, unslotted) and 8.25% (Dark Servant, unslotted). Flash Arrow remains 5%. With slotting, the numbers change to ~7.875% (self), ~12.375% (Dark Servant), and ~7.5% (Flash Arrow).

My point was that while Flash Arrow normally has little effect in preventing team damage (in normal gameplay, it's more useful for stealthing due to the -perception and the fact that it doesn't cause aggro), that small quirk of its design makes the single power on-par with 2 click powers and a toggle from the set known for its tohit debuffs (and two of those 3 powers in DM are tied for third-strongest -tohit powers available to players, behind Dark Servant's Chill of the Night and Dark Blast's Blackstar).

Really? I had no idea that Tar Patch was grouped with Darkest Night because they have similar mechanical effect.s

My math skills are a little fuzzy, but something seems wrong here

Err... TA is not like Dark Miasma at all. I wouldn't say TA is the best support set available, but it's not bad, either.

TA's biggest problems are animation times and an unreliable OSA.

(Also, worth noting: While DM is lauded as the super duper awesome -tohit set, against a lv50 AV all of DM combined is about as effective as slotted Flash Arrow)

Actually, it's because Sprint isn't in Fly_Group, Leap_Group, or Run_Group.

And in a debate, the burden of proof shifts back and forth. While the burden initially lies with the side making the ontologically positive claim, it quickly moves around, unless one side gives up the fight (or starts resorting to fallacies) or the debate is forced to cease.

It's your turn to present some support for your argument, since Leo already did. And claiming to give him half credit doesn't give you an out, because the burden of proof in a debate is not so strict as even in a civil court. Either support your argument, or stop waffling and admit defeat.
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It's summer, you upside-down Aussie!

Huh. I never even noticed that. You're right, SI's PvE stealth only suppresses when you click a glowie.

Galactus eats planets. Rularuu eats dimensions.

The only problem with the Eye of Leviathan is if you've got a group of melee characters that can't fly. IIRC There's a ledge right next to it where you could get one or two melee characters to attack from.

Consider that you need either Maneuvers or Assault in order to get Tactics, both of which are also 0.39 eps. If you run both toggles, you're still at 0.78, and if you only run tactics, then you've wasted a power (unless you're just trying to use Maneuvers as a set mule).

Um... no? That's not even remotely close to what I said.

Clamp( x ) := if( x < 0.05 ) then ( 0.05 ) else if ( x > 0.95 ) then ( 0.95 ) else ( x )
AccMods = PowerAcc × ( 1.0 + AccEnhances + AccSetBonuses )
BaseHitChance = {[-4:.95], [-3:.9], [-2:.85], [-1:.8], [0:.75], [1:.65], [2:.56], [3:.48], [4:.39], [5:.3], [6:.2], [7:.08]}

HitChance = Clamp( AccMods × Clamp( BaseHitChance + ToHitBuffs - ToHitDebuffs – TargetDefBuffs + TargetDefDebuffs ) )

On the other hand, EF animates much faster, so you can opt for the protection it offers sooner by going that route. On a fast-moving team I often don't even bother with RI, because the spawn it dead by the time it finishes animating.

Even petless Masterminds and poolboys can get on teams.
(And Stalkers stopped slowing steamroller teams down ages ago. On a big team, Stalkers get crits like Scrappers, plus the best invisibility* in the game, plus Assassin Strike)

* Technically Illusion Control's Superior Invisibility is better than anything a Stalker can get, but Controllers can't take advantage of that fact

Only ten? You slacker