Do +Stealth IOs stack?
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ClawsandEffect,
Posted on: 2010-05-19 08:47 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Nope
but stealth IO's and SS will
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Originally Posted by Shadow Ravenwolf
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Originally Posted by Dispari
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Also of note, the stealth IOs are mutually exclusive. You cannot have more than one in a build.
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Stealth power + IO = invis
Super Speed + IO = Invis
Stealth power + SS = invis
Stealth Power + IO + SS = too much invis
Sup Invis = best invis in game, alone, it's at the cap
Other secondary stealths = same as Stealth pool power approx enough
Buff Invis from others = don't trust it, it'll wear off at the wrong time.
I like option 1, but I think I might go #2 on one toon. [/e beavislaugh]
stalker hide is best invis in game.
followed by superior invis.
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Originally Posted by Shadow Ravenwolf
My favorite combo is Faceplant/DebtCap with the TeamWipe Ancillary
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Originally Posted by Dispari
Yeah, I like Blasters too.
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Unless you are working on PvP stealth, in which case you want all that you can get if you are trying to cap.
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Originally Posted by Postagulous
Stealth power + IO = invis
Super Speed + IO = Invis Stealth power + SS = invis Stealth Power + IO + SS = too much invis Sup Invis = best invis in game, alone, it's at the cap Other secondary stealths = same as Stealth pool power approx enough Buff Invis from others = don't trust it, it'll wear off at the wrong time. I like option 1, but I think I might go #2 on one toon. [/e beavislaugh] |
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Sure, they might stack... if it were possible to put more than one on your character at all |
Originally Posted by StormDevil
Pretty much what it says; just wondering if you can get "full invisibility" by stacking, say, the Celerity and Unbounded Leap IOs. I'm assuming "nuh uh", but figured I'd ask anywho.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Sure, they might stack... if it were possible to put more than one on your character at all
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I wasted some of my paltry cash not understanding that in the first month I was playing. Not on uniques, but just that I couldn buy three Entropic Dam/Acc and slot them in teh same power.
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Originally Posted by Postagulous
Which is very important to know before buying things.
I wasted some of my paltry cash not understanding that in the first month I was playing. Not on uniques, but just that I couldn buy three Entropic Dam/Acc and slot them in teh same power. |
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Stealth for non-stalker characters caps at 571 feet. Base perception is 500 feet. |
Originally Posted by Fomsie
Unless you are working on PvP stealth, in which case you want all that you can get if you are trying to cap.
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Getting to the Stealth cap is A) Pretty easy, and B) Pretty pointless, because +Perception is readily available to anyone in the form of Tactics.
Well, at least it used to be pretty easy, I haven't bothered to find out how hard Diminished Returns smacks stacked stealth powers.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
B) Pretty pointless |
In pvp this is untrue. And its also why pp invis is the pwnsauce.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Also of note, the stealth IOs are mutually exclusive. You cannot have more than one in a build.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Sure, they might stack... if it were possible to put more than one on your character at all
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But you didn't answer his question
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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So, basically, in terms of PvP, you have no idea what you are talking about, but just decided to post anyway? Yeah?
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Stealth for non-stalker characters caps at 571 feet. Base perception is 500 feet.
Getting to the Stealth cap is A) Pretty easy, and B) Pretty pointless, because +Perception is readily available to anyone in the form of Tactics. Well, at least it used to be pretty easy, I haven't bothered to find out how hard Diminished Returns smacks stacked stealth powers. |
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No. Well...yes and no...
They are all Unique. I mean very unique. Slotting +Stealth from one set will lockout +Stealth from the other sets(Slotting +Stealth from Celerity will lock out +Stealth from Unbounded Leap, Soaring and Time/Space Manipulation).
One trick that occurs(and not likely intended) is it will stack with itself if slotted in an active toggle when you zone. Each zoning will add another 30' stealth, but each extra 30' will disappear every 120 seconds.
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The description clearly states in big red letters that the stealth IOs are mutually exclusive.
Yeah, I didn't have access to the game at the time of the post, so I couldn't read the descriptions. Thanks for the info, folks!
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The Stealth cap of 571.5 feet for non-stalker, non-VEAT characters is verifiably true, Paragonwiki says it, and in-game numbers agree. |
Originally Posted by Fomsie
So, basically, in terms of PvP, you have no idea what you are talking about, but just decided to post anyway? Yeah?
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Sonic/Devices Blaster w/Cloaking Device + Stealth IO = 571.5 feet
BS/DA Scrapper w/Cloak of Darkness + Stealth IO = 571.5 feet
Fire/Fire Blaster w/Invisibility + Stealth IO = 571.5 feet
Illusion Controller w/Superior Invisibility = 571.5 feet.
I have tested the stealth cap extensively, monitoring the numbers while I do so. In PvP the cap for anything not a stalker or VEAT is 571.5 feet. This is a FACT, not just my opinion. You can log in and check it yourself if you don't believe me.
As far as ease of getting there, I haven't tested it lately, but I can't imagine it's all that difficult even now.
My statement of it being pretty useless stems from personal experience. With all 4 of the characters I listed that I have tested with, it didn't make much difference at all whether I was at the stealth cap or not. Sure, you can be invisible to people with no added perception, but how many PvP characters have no added perception? Especially since it is available to everyone. The +Perception IO puts your perception at 600 feet before Diminished Returns, that's just simple math (500 + 20%), and Tactics raises it even higher than that.
So, in my experience, being at the stealth cap did me no good at all. It didn't stop me from being attacked, because just about everyone in the zone saw right through it. And any time *I* attack it strips all that stealth away.
So, the stealth cap being 571.5 feet is inarguable fact. It being pretty pointless in PvP is my opinion based on personal experience.
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superior invis, were it available to something with a better stealth cap, is far and away the best invis in the game. |
Originally Posted by JamMasterJMS
stalker hide is best invis in game.
followed by superior invis. |
Just look at the numbers:
Superior Invisibility: 200' PvE (does not suppress while attacking/being attacked), 1000' PvP.
Hide: 150' PvE, 500' PvP.
The last time I had a math class, 200 > 150, and 1000 > 500.
Unsuppressed Hide is the best AoE defense toggle in the game, though, with a base defense of 37.5%.
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Huh. I never even noticed that. You're right, SI's PvE stealth only suppresses when you click a glowie.
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Originally Posted by Siolfir
Superior Invisibility: 200' PvE (does not suppress while attacking/being attacked),
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
Is Superior Invis a toggle or a click?
Because I think that will make a difference.
Considering Hide is a Toggle with an End Cost of 0 that could even out the 50' difference in PvE.
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SI is a toggle - and a moderately expensive one, too. Group Invisibility is the click. |
Originally Posted by DMystic
Is Superior Invis a toggle or a click?
Because I think that will make a difference. Considering Hide is a Toggle with an End Cost of 0 that could even out the 50' difference in PvE. |
I did ignore the 0 end/sec cost of Hide, but I feel that ignoring it is justified - I know that I'd love for my Stalkers to not be able to be knocked out of Hidden status by silly things like attacking or being hit (and yes, I am aware that hidden status is seperate from suppressing stealth - but the two are tied together by the same events in-game).
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Problem with Stalkers not being knocked out of Hidden is the effects being Hidden has on Stalkers attacks.
Now if Hidden were somehow separated from Stealth suppressed...
Pretty much what it says; just wondering if you can get "full invisibility" by stacking, say, the Celerity and Unbounded Leap IOs. I'm assuming "nuh uh", but figured I'd ask anywho.