FallenHero

In the future it would help (me anyways) if you specified PVP or PVE.

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>>my Regeneration Brutes seem to have a solid blue bar most of the time, so I
>>think they need less.
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I failed to mention that that the Regen powerset (as well as Willpower) gets a
great ability called "Quick Recovery". This power is *superior* to Stamina. You
will want to slot Quick Recovery with 3 x ENDMODs. One even level ENDMOD SO
will have a value of 33.3% and three will have a value of ~95% after ED.

Fully slotted Quick Recovery + 1 slot in Stamina + Slotting END in your attacks
and "Armors" will eliminate any endurance issues you might have during normal
gameplay. For more *extreme* builds and gameplay, you'll probably want/need
more end.

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>>I make sure I get the Invention:Accuracy on as many powers as I can afford,
>>first the +19.2%, then the +32% at levels 12 and 22. Beyond that it's mostly
>>whatever recipes, SO and DO enhancements I find.
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I would like to clarify one thing (and forgive me if you are already aware of
this information). Common IO recipes can be purchased directly from
Universities. There is a tutorial you can run which will give you one free
Common IO.

http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/University

The price of the Common IO recipe will depend on its level and whether or not
you have the recipe memorized. The salvage you can get from drops or the
market, or MA tickets.

http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Common_Invention_Recipes

I believe that you can also use Reward Merits to purchase Common IO recipes. In
my opinion, you should save those merits for better things.

MA tickets can also be used to purchase Common IO recipes.

http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Ticket_Vendor


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>>If a power has Knockback, disorient, stun or -tohit, or something like that,
>>is it advisable to put an enhancement in for it?
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In my opinion, as a Brute your slotting priorities should be:
1) Accuracy: You need to be able to hit the enemies.
2) Endurance: You need the energy to finish the fight.
3) "Armors": Resistance/Defense/Regen - the stuff that makes you hard to kill.
4) Damage: "Debuff" your enemies hitpoints faster.

Knockback (KB), knockdown (KD), and knockup (KU) can be useful. But I wouldn't
use a slot for it. At least not initially. Note that KB and KD are really the
same mechanic. If the magnitude of KB is less than one it becomes Knockdown and
the enemy stays in one place. When the magnitude of KB is greater than one then
the enemy position changes...it flies backward. The level 32 power pick in
Super Strength is Foot Stomp...a wonderful power. It is a Player Based Area of
Effect (PBAoE) that does good damage and has an 80% chance to do knockdown. If
you slot KB enhancements into that power then you would turn that KD into KB. I
think many folks would advise against slotting KB into Foot Stomp because it
would cause many critters to scatter. There are probably some situations where
you would want to slot for KB as a Brute, but it is not a priority. The level 8
power in the Super Strength powerset is called Knockout Blow. It does great
damage and *KU*. Knockup causes enemies to go flying up into the air. My
understanding is that slotting KB enhancements into Knockout Blow will cause
enemies to fly higher up into the air. Fun to watch, but not a priority...and
there are better "extras" you can slot.

Disorients/Stuns, toHit Debuffs, mezzes in general I recommend not slotting, at
least initially. You will probably find that as you are leveling up you will be
starved for slots. Stick with the basic stuff first. When you hit your late 30s
and early 40s you will have a lot more slots to play with. At that point it is
easier to add things...of course at that point you will probably be focused on
stacking set bonuses.

One last link: http://tomax.cohtitan.com/data/powers/

Great site for getting real numbers for powersets.


One last thought...if you feel overwhelmed with the all of the websites and
numbers then I suggest just IGNORING ALL OF IT. I started playing this game
a long time ago. It took me 1-2 years before I had my 1st level 50. I had some
really horrible builds. I would 6 slot brawl (this was before IOs). This game
is very forgiving to those with bad builds, especially if you team a lot. I
learned about how to slot my toons by teaming with other and asking questions.
I also spent time, reading the forums. Don't get too hardcore with your builds,
at least not in the beginning (unless that is what you enjoy doing).

Good luck.

Hello, I'm going to talk about 2 things in this post: slotting to get your endurance use under control, and using the MA to get salvage you want/need.


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>>I would appreciate advice on the following:
>>- Numbers to aim for.
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When slotting attacks, you want to enhance Accuracy (ACC), Endurance Reduction
(END), and Damage (DAM). Often you will see folks on the forums discuss
enhancements in terms of even level Single Origin Enhancements (SOs). For a
power like Scorch, "typical" SO slotting would be:
1 x ACC: 33% Enhancement to accuracy
1 x END: 33% Enhancement to endurance reduction
3 x DAM: 95% Enhancement to damage

Note: An even level "schedule A" SO = 33.3%. Three even level "schedule A"
enhancements should equal: 33.3% + 33.3% + 33.3% = 99.9%. The actual value
turns out to be closer to 95% due to a diminishing returns system called
Enhancement Diversification (ED).

http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Enhancement_Diversification

Your attacks should have at the very minimum 1 even level ACC SO and 1 even
level END SO. In my opinion these are the numbers you want to aim for 1st.
Slotting for damage on a Brute is a low priority, *especially* at low levels
because of how Fury works.

Your "armors" (toggles like fire shield and plasma shield) should have at the
very minimum 1 even level END SO. I will have 2 END SOs if my build has several
toggles. Then add your resistance/defense SOs.

For Damage auras (like Blazing Aura) I always slot 2 END SOs. Then add your damage SOs.

Your inherent power Stamina is wonderful. Three slot this power with endurance
modifications (ENDMODs) ASAP.

I glossed over many details but you mentioned ParagonWiki, so you know where to
find answers (and of course ask more questions here). If you follow the general
slotting outlined above (at least one SO of END in each attack) then you'll keep more
blue in your end bar. One random thought..make sure to turn off travel powers and
sprint during combat.

I also didn't mention Invention Origin Enhancements (IOs). They are better than
SOs because they don't weaken as you level up (and in many cases they have set
bonuses). I think there are others who could do a better job of explaining the
IO system and recommending IOs for your builds. If you can understand how ED
works with SOs, then understanding IOs will be easy.


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>>As a new player my resources are limited. I'm specifically interested in
>>solutions that require little Inf. and/or Prestige. For example quite a few
>>of the Invention Sets I've come across, need Rare Salvage that is too
>>expensive for me to buy, and I'd rather sell on the Black Market than use if,
>>I do have it.
>>

I know that you don't want advise on how to make money. But I have to mention
that you don't ever have to buy salvage. Any piece of salvage you need to craft
IOs can be purchased with Mission Architect (MA) tickets. I have a
Claws/Electric Brute level locked at 30. I use that brute to run MA missions.
After I reach the ticket cap (9,999) I generate "bronze roll" recipes and the
salvage I need to create these IOs.

http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Ticket

Anytime you need salvage for a recipe and you don't want to pay market prices
then use the MA. You will need three pieces of information to get the salvage
you want using MA tickets:
1) The type of salvage (Tech or Arcane).
2) The level range of the salvage (low-level, mid-level, and high-level)
3) The rarity (common, uncommon, rare)

http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Invention_Salvage

You can run farms or you can check out the MA section of the forums and find
some player generated stories.

Hope this is helpful.

The power of William Hung has bestowed upon this premium player the POWER OF VIP! I post once again Muhahahahaha!

Hello, I am not a VIP. Yet a moment ago I was able to post.

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=273437

I attempted to delete the post (it was stupid of me to stink up someone thread). But now I am unable to. I don't know how to send a PM to Zwill (I don't know if Premium folks are allowed to send PMs to mods). Would someone please inform a mod to delete my nonsense.

Thanks.

Hmmm...all of a sudden I can post even though I'm only premium.

Hax.

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Also a bit disconcerting considering we were told by the devs that this was not how it was supposed to work.

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It isn't the 1st time. Remember how purple IOs were 1st described to us?

From Issue 11 patch notes
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Anyways, I'm glad you took some time to look at +rech...I've only tested +HP and Defense set bonuses. +rech is probably the best way to test b/c you don't have to rely on stats given to you by the UI.




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What I don't get is why some procs like LOTG +7.5% recharges don't work in sc level unless they are 33 or below but Numinas, Miracles and Perf Shifters do.

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I *think* the deal with the LotG +7.5% is that it acts like a set bonus.

With things like the Stealth IO, Numinas, Miracles, and P. Shifters *something* happens every 120? seconds. It doesn't care about level...if it is "on" then it is going to fire. This is why if I slot a level 50 stealth IO in sprint it will work even if I ex down to level 1. As long as the power is available the stealth is going to be applied every X seconds. If I had put the stealth IO into superjump then as soon as SJ goes away so goes away my ability to use the stealth IO.

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I will do these same tests on other characters after some reslotting, but it seems pretty clear to me that the character is not getting the bonus 6.25% recharge bonus from the Call to Arms set when in Sirens Call, even if the real numbers feature says he is.

In short, it appears that the real numbers are not accurate.

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1) Keep in mind how your enhancement values can change when you exemplar. I believe a level 45 in siren's call would have a multiplier of 0.935 (from link).

2) Diminishing Returns affects +recharge. If you are going to test +recharge then you need to account for DR if you are in a PvP zone. Test using the O-portal if you want to investigate +rech without the hassle of DR.



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Diminishing Returns
Nearly all attributes characters have are now subject to Diminishing Returns. The specific numbers vary from attribute to attribute, and from class to class (it's easier to Buff Resistance and Defense on a Tanker, than on a Blaster.)

* In general, a single buff will have near full effect, while additional buffs begin to offer less and less benefit. Example: Under the old system, Aim + Build up might provide a combined 67% To Hit buff, while under this system it provides a combined 49% To Hit Buff.

* The calculation is based on the sum of all buffs, so the order the buffs are applied in does not matter.

* It is important to note that the Real Numbers tool will not always report the results of diminishing returns accurately, at least initially. This is specifically true of Damage Buffs, which always display the Pre-Diminished value.


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Anecdotal, sure, and I never saved any hard data,

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Please do some actual testing before posting.

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what are the stats/powers for the 4 character types that are unlockable after getting a character to lvl 50? what are there primary powers/secondary powers, other powers and how high, medium or low are their hp, and damage output?

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Download Mids Hero Designer and check out City of Data (under Power Quantification). That should get you started.

I didn't believe it at first.

Best thing you can do is have your level 50 buy 2 IOs from the same set (pick something with a set bonus that is easy to spot when you open your combat attributes window). Copy your 50 to test and then slot the IOs in your level 49 power.

If both IOs are level 28 or lower the set bonus will appear in BB (I think you are 25 in BB so +3=level 28)....actually the set bonus will appear in every PvP zone.

If both IOs are levels 29 to 33 then the set bonus will appear in SC, WB, and RV.

34 - 41: WB and RV

42+: RV only

I always get confused with the zone level ranges (I'm always in SC), so they may be off. But the point is, if I slot a power like Elude with IOs from the same set (level 33 or lower) then I can get that bonus in SC.

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You're wrong. I absolutely promise you they do not work. The exceptions being the already mentioned purple sets, PvP specific sets and certain uniques. Those will work at any level.

As a note, there is a bug of sorts that allows some effects to carry over when zoning. If you are checking your numbers when you first enter a zone you will see numbers that are not meant to apply or are stacked from the previos zone. Wait at least two minutes for any previous applications to wear off before checking real numbers.

If you are still experiencing those effects, please take a screen shot. I'm sure we would all love to see it.

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Yes..they work that way. I slot powers that I get in my 40s so that the set bonuses work in Sirens Call (+HP for example). I've done this on *many* toons. And the bonuses remain for the *entire* time I am in the zone.


I'm not going to post a screenshot b/c it is easy enough for you to prove it to yourself (test server).

It's not working in the way the devs explained it to us originally...but 4 slotting Eradication in your level 49 power will give you +2.25% HPs in Siren's Call as long as the IOs are level 33 or lower.

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I have been healing for my villain supergroup as a cor in pvp, but I get taken out very quickly and then I am a help to no one.

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What kind of build would work well for the concept of surviving and keeping my team alive? I am trying to think outside the box.

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What is your current team makeup? What level are you PvPing at? Is this arena or zone?

Being the *only* healer/buffer/debuffer on a PvP team means you are going to get farmed (if you opponent has half a brain that is). If your "teammates" expect you to be the only buffer on the team then screw them...roll a SS/Fire brute.

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What are some of your suggestions? We will all be leveling together and hitting the lower level pvp areas for now.

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Some suggestions for a zone pvp team.

Good luck.

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Short version: Lengthen your timers, tone down your Mary Sues, and actually put stories into your story arcs.

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no

Positron stated in an interview on the EU forums that "We love the way PVP currently is".

You aren't going to get any dialog from them on the subject of PvP. They acknowledge that the system isn't perfect and still needs work but overall they are happy with what they have.

Long live travel suppression.

Positron's comments on PvP

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On PvP:
04-28-2009 18:21:19 [Local] Delenda: any new in Pvp? a capture the Flag mode for exemple? new arena modes?
04-28-2009 18:21:39 [Local] Positron: We're working on some new arena modes, no idea when they will be done though

04-28-2009 18:21:47 [Local] Sunblushed Horizon: Can I just ask with the amount of problems that this new PvP has caused and the amount of begging asking for a i12 pvp re-roll with some additions from now. what is the devs current view on (sorry for personal opinion) the disgrace pvp currently is
04-28-2009 18:22:18 [Local] Positron: We love the way PVP currently is

04-28-2009 18:27:14 [Local] Sunblushed Horizon: how about not taking it from a devs point of view i now i12 pvp had its problems but this new pvp system has even more
04-28-2009 18:27:19 [Local] Sunblushed Horizon: how is that an imporvment
04-28-2009 18:27:51 [Local] Positron: I think the old PVP system was severly flawed, and the new one is still flawed, but far less so.


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I've played this game for 4-5 years. I've taken a break here and there for deployments and such, but I love it. Getting ready to make a stalker, but my question is, how do you make a succesful stalker for pvp and pve content? I have heard that for pvp you need leadership and stealth, and a second travel power? Whats the trade off pve side? Do I just make a second build now that thats an option?

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For PvP you have to get to the stealth cap (Hide + stealthIO + Stealth OR Hide + Invis). You will have a difficult time in zone PvP until you get to the cap. In PvE, having Hide is enough. So if you can afford it a second build is nice to have.

Having two travel powers is nice but not needed. Superspeed lacks vertical movement but it lets you ignore slows. Superjump is perhaps the best all around travel power for PvP. Fly, by itself, is not a good travel power for melee types in PvP...it is too slow. TP used to be a great escape power in PvP, now it ain't so great (thanks to travel suppression). If you are going to have 2 travel powers in PvP then SJ + SS is the way to go IMO. On most of my PvP toons I just take SJ.

For more info check out the other recent stalker threads in this forum.

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How can I calculate the effect of diminishing returns? How did you arrive at 45% defense in PvE turning into 34% in PvP?

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There is a guide on how to calculate diminishing returns, but it doesn't provide a way to convert PvE numbers to PvP. Well, maybe it does and I just don't understand it.

I got the numbers by using inspirations. Enter your favorite place to PvP with a tray full of purples. Open your attributes monitor and display defense. Pop a purple and record the number being shown. Continue to do this for as long as you can before they stop stacking. Enter the numbers into your favorite spreadsheet and plot PvE vs PvP (you know what the PvE value of the purple is). Repeat for any other ATs you are interested in. Getting toHit info isn't as straightforward b/c toHit has never displayed properly in the combat attributes window (shows PvE base chance tohit). But I have seen a couple of folks mention that 30% is the cap....and you can pop yellows and see how the number starts to plateau (then subtract 75% to see the bonus). Damage numbers are also wonky...I don't know if the numbers are just wrong or if it is off b/c of your enhancement values.

I guess you don't have to go hardcore with the spreadsheet. It just made it easier for me to see how the toons I pvp with compare.



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THen what does 'clamp' mean in your formula? I am still trying to figure it out and perhaps I will on my own. But knowing what you mean by that may accelerate the process.

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Check out the link I provided. Clamp means that the number calculated cannot be higher than 95% or lower than 5%