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As fond as I am of my Elysion base, I would give it up for a better design system. But then, I don't have vast amounts of time invested in complex stacking with it... It's a relatively simple design that I know I could re-create. That probably colors my response.

I'm nt sure I'd be willing to give up any of my characters themselves just to get revamped versions of their powersets, and as for completely dumping their old costumes to re-build the character creator... I'm not sure about that, either. I'd hate to lose some of the "legacy" costumes a few of my crew wear. (The wings+wedding tails-coat combination in particular... Which I know any new system wouldn't give us back. )

Nope.

My Stalkers go right past them without so much as a "Hey, what was that?" all the time. Banes likewise. They can't see through Hide.

The only things that see my sneaky types routinely are KoA, Overseers and Rikti Drones. Occasionally an AV or Monster will notice them, too (Rikti drop-ships will see you through Hide if you stay near them for too long, for instance... and for some reason Positron is VERY prone to spotting them in my experience. It's hard to get the drop on that guy. )

Indeed!

For what it's worth, I refuse to take my blue-side main through the Underground trial any more... He's a reasonably well-engineered WP/DB tank with and IO set-build, T4 Barrier, Alpha and Judgement, and T3 Lore and Interface.

I've successfully thrown him at just about everything else in the game, but he still gets eaten alive by the Underground AVs and their effects... It's just painful to try to play him through that mess. So, your "paper brute" isn't alone.

Don't make me bring the smash...

Indeed. That one's a bit rough on everybody...

I'd also add Underground as another one where it makes some sense to wait until you've got a shift or two. Having run through that one a fair few times now with various types of leagues, it's a sad truth that having shifted characters can boost a group's chances of success by a lot. The difference between a heavily-shifted group and a lightly/non-shifted one on that trial is... well, it's probably much more accute than it ought to be, to be honest... It's like night and day.

It'll definitely be a nice addition.

Yep. The pacifist Oranbegans are the only "good" alternate earth I could think of... And as Jophiel said, the Hydra are described as peaceful when they aren't being harassed by the Rikti.

Same... Maybe it makes me terribly rude, but I've just never seen leveling as that big a deal. We all do it eventually, so I don't feel like it's something that requires special recognition.

Uhm... 'Just saying here... Not all of us who want other options for our female characters have moral objections to the sexy bits. We're just asking for something different for our own use, not telling you that you have to dress your own toons like librarians.

I'm with the Baron on that one...
Getting logged out constantly is beyond tiresome.

I won't pretend to speak for all female players... or even for the majority of them. I can only speak for myself.

That being said, while I really have nothing AGAINST the skimpy outfit pieces we've been given on principle, they're absolutely not my first choice when it comes to outfitting a female character and I do like to have other options available. The more "mix and match" we can do between types, the better, since I do a lot of that in my designs, even when I do go for the bits that show more skin.

Shade in Shadow, for instance, has this outfit. Black leather mini-shirt, fishnets, completely impractical boots and the Syndicate corset. It's a very sexy combination to my eye, but like I said upthread, I still think she looks pretty bad-*** in it, and I like that... But it isn't her primary "signature" costume or my favorite of the ones she has. This is. Still very feminine, still pretty bad-***, but much more conservative... You aren't likely to mistake her for a guy in that outfit, but at the same time you aren't likely to mistake her for a stripper, either.

Corsets and such are fine, and do have their place in the costume editor, but I like to see the kind of pieces in Shade's primary outfit, too. I loved the Martial Arts sets... they're far and away the pieces I've gotten the most use out of for my crew. It disappoints me that we don't see sets like that very often, as trapped as the art crew seems to have become in that whole girls-get-sexy/guys-get-cool division of labor thing. That's a change I'd like to see, getting them out of that mind-set.

By all means, make corsets and such sometimes... But don't let that be all you make for the girls. Make enough unisex or more practical pieces to allow some choice for those of us who want it.

Yays!

As I said in the pre-tinting thread, I like a lot of the more recent costume bits (the Celestial armor, for instance) and I *WANT* to use them... But the tinting keeps getting in the way. When a new bit's colors don't work with the colors of the other items in the editor, it's a loss all around. So... avoiding that gets definite Win Points from me.

As for the rest, more "good stuff across-the-board" sets like the Martial Arts costumes and the CoT bits would definitely be welcomed... The gal's costumes don't have to be 100% identical to the guys', but giving female toons at least similar choices is a Good Thing. It's that whole "Guys get a rockin' coat... You girls get a corset instead"-business that makes people grumpy. Giving us all a rockin' coat solves the issue.

I'm not against corsets on principle... I think Shade looks pretty darn bad-*** in hers... I just like to have other options, too, and that hasn't been happening so much lately. Packs have fallen into this guy-stuff/girl-stuff division that doesn't leave a lot of room for cross-over pieces, and I think taking a step or two back from that might help a lot.