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Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake

right, in universe, as in, a frozen 80's. these days, fitness sciences have advanced, nutrition and pharmecudicals have advanced, im sure there are a few guys who would win in the real world. heck, id expect some mma guys being able to use drago's high center of gravity against him.

Originally Posted by Lothic

Well let's just say I'm happy that our Devs "borrowed" Champions Online's Acrobatics travel power. We call it Ninja Run here. We also got the Walk power about a month after Champions Online launched with its Walk feature. Coincidence much?

Anyway like I said earlier I don't really think this "charge up mechanic" should be imported and forced into existing powers here. But I'm not against the idea of our Devs experimenting with a new powerset that might make use of this concept.

Originally Posted by Furio

There's infinite dimensions with infinite possibilities for how their histories play out or possibly interact with each other....why wouldn't, theoretically speaking, "Praetorian" Rikti make sense?

Originally Posted by StratoNexus

Teams care about mitigation. Especially early fight mitigation, where most of the danger lies. Damage is not all teams care about. Teams like Radiation Infection and Enervating Field. I doubt they would like them as much if they were not AoEs. When AS was just single target damage, it was a nice gimmick, but hardly useful on teams. The demoralize effect, IMO, is a large benefit to teams and I have not found anyone who disagrees with that (it does not seem like you disagree, although it does seem like you are trying to say that no one else would think demoralize is useful).


I understand your words fine, you seem to have trouble understanding yourself or deciding what it is you want to say (or maybe your are simply thinking more stuff in your head and failing to type it).

Early on in the thread your position was that stalkers lack AoE, saying, "the vast majority of stalker melee sets have zero ability to damage multiple targets at a time." Now that it has been pointed out you were mistaken, you are changing your meaning. It is a good thing that you want to alter your position now that you can see you were in error. It is not a good thing that you claim I failed to understand you, especially since one can simply go back and read what you wrote and see how much different it is from your current position.




I am glad to see that you have been dissuaded of your false notions. I am glad you have changed your position a bit. I actually agree with the statement that stalkers are, in general, more single target focused than other armored ATs. I do not agree that it is solely due to the lack of AoE damage powers. That is a contributing factor only, and one that can be easily worked around by taking the sets that do not lack AoE attacks.

I do believe that a single target focus is a "bad" thing (and when I speak of AoEs, they do not need to be just damage powers), although I feel the game has room for that variety, but it should be a small minority of sets (which seems to hold true for all the ATs except stalkers, where it is about even, maybe slightly in favor of a low amount of AoE effects).

I believe that most stalker combinations could use more AoE effects in order to allow them to be more interesting on teams. Those effects can be enemy focused or ally focused. They can be added to current primary or secondary powers or something can have a small revamp (such as the suggestion to make Hide inherent and then adding something).

For slightly more detail:
Ninjitsu and DA are decent representations of sets with some nice AoE effects.
Regen and SR are good representations of sets that lack AoE effects outright.
Energy is a good middle of the road set.
Electric, IMO, lost out on a lot when it was designed for stalkers, the damage aura also aids in keeping enemy end drained after a Power Sink (as well as encouraging them not to attack others on your team).
Willpower, IMO, lost out less than Electric overall, but lost any ability to affect in an AoE.

Three of seven sets have no AoEs. One has only one AoE and Power Sink without Lightning Field is actually not all that great as an AoE effect, and instead functions more as just an end recovery tool. Energy Aura has two AoEs, but Energy Drain suffers the same problem as Power Sink, which only leaves Repulse. In the end, only two out of seven stalker secondaries have a nice variety of AoE effects, with a third having a modest contribution from a KB toggle (which is an AoE at first, but becomes much more likely to be a single target power after use).

Electric and Spines have a good amount of AoE attacks.
Dual Blades has a good amount when you include combos.
Broadsword, Ninja Blade, Claws, Dark, and Kinetic have a small amount of AoE.
MA and Energy have just demoralize.
Three of ten sets with good AoE. Two of ten with bad AoE. Five that fall in between somewhere, but definitely closer to the lower end of AoE effects. Not a terrible representation across the range from single target to AoE, but I do feel it is weighted too far on the low end. That does not mean I think the attack sets should be changed, it is just further demonstration that as a whole, the AT is low on AoE effects.

Whatever happens, if anything changes, I hope it does not end up being just add more damage, as that is the least interesting of adjustments, IMO.

Originally Posted by Vitality

For the longest time I've been waiting for GR to come out so I could fully realize my complete concept build...my WP/SS Tanker was going to become a SS/WP Brute.

However, this was all based on having Super Strength on a high damaging AT.

I was about to re-sub right when GR came out and then I read about the changes to Brutes and Fury...basically lowering their damage.

Although most people never stay at the damage cap...the lowered cap really hurts my "want" to play this character.

How does this effect the ATs top level ability?
Can you still solo AV's?

What exactly does this change do to the AT overall?

Originally Posted by Schismatrix

Since all her teammates and enemies see her powers the same way she does i suppose she projects her perceptions? Or are you saying the powers take on that appearance because that's how she thinks they should look?

i have an AR/Mental Blaster with the mental powers colored gold to represent some sort of divine energy.

And a Scrapper with Fiery Melee colored white for similar reasons.

Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang

They still wrote that steaming pile.

And they directed the seizure cam epic Gamer.

Originally Posted by Primal

That was Sienna Guillory? Wow, I didn't recognize her either.

Actually in looking through Google Images, she can change her look radically. She's every length, color, and style.

Originally Posted by Venture

Know what will happen if you throw a team of Boss or even EB rank mobs at a team of players?

You're not going to get eight one-on-one fights. You're going to get eight eight-on-one fights as the players focus fire on individual targets while the mobs flounder about helplessly because the CPU budget for AI doesn't give them a snowball's chance in hell of using teamwork.

That doesn't excuse the excesses in the fiction (if Statesman can survive getting hit with a tacnuke then nothing any player does should affect him at all) but there's no way the game is going to work if mobs are limited to PC power levels. If the computer isn't a cheating ******* the game will be very, very boring.

Originally Posted by je_saist

Well, that sorta stands to reason due to game mechanics:
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Archvillain
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Hero_%28Enemy%29

There's no standardized system to separate NPC classes by archtype. Their are a few situations in the game where an NPC shows up with the Hero/AV description, but don't actually have Hero/AV stats. In most of these situations the NPC's are allies that help the player. In some cases, such as the Darrin Wade arcs, they are special con classes apparently with hand-edited stats.

That being said, when dual-builds were first announced, I still remembered getting a laugh out of the storyline posed to describe the new feature: http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/par..._journals.html

In the storyline, Positron supposedly changes his power load-out... then goes and solos Requiem... immediately launching another volley of attacks after using his Tier 9 nuke.

Yeah.

I. Don't. Think. So.

Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane

I'll tell you exactly what I've told others before:

Singular characters shouldn't BE what the devs are throwing at us for team challenges.

Signature characters shouldn't bloat up to multiple times the power level of everyone else simply because having us stuggle against their Mary Sue Defender with more HP than a player Tanker is easier (and more fun) for the devs than giving us challenge worthy of a team of super heroes, like fighting a team of super villains or a Galactus.

When you have the keys to the sandbox, it's really easy to play corrupt GM and let your pet break the rules and hide behind "design limitations" as a justification. Because then your baby gets to one-shot Rikti motherships, have crash-less T9s and purple triangles.
"For challenge."


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Originally Posted by MutantX_7

I was under the impression (from other posts) that it basically has a 20% chance to recharge build up on stalkers, regardless of if its a hidden/placate crit, or just a regular combat crit, I could be mistaken, but I thought I saw that somewhere.