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Rad/Dark is fun. Tentacles will keep enemies immobilized making it easier to debuff them.

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Or make a dark/rad cor... very tasty!

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A lot of Dark's ingame power descriptions (which Mids uses) are a wee bit wrong or incomplete

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How do we know what's right and what's wrong? Disturbing if such substantial aspects are wrong by default from the source...

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...Single Target Immobilize + Veteran Sands of Mu REALLY helps. Freezing Rain + Single Target Immobolize + Veteran Sands of Mu + Temp Sands of Mu is where I'm betting it'll start getting *interesting*...

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N.B. Be aware that Sands is not benefitting from containment AFAIK... I still like the power though

A lot of good advice already swung by in the previous posts, but from my point of view i'd like to shed a light on:
<ul type="square">[*]solo will be a rather slow drag, even after 32 when you get stoney.[*]really consider taking at least the AoE immob for the nice ghetto hold combined with stalagmites and just for general crowd control keeping them in a (tight) pack and the ST immob is also very usefull both in the early game (cheap and safe containment set up) as well as in the endgame (i.e. to keep AV's in place) and ofc to unleash tornado on heavy mobs in middle to end game.[*]take Freezing Rain asap at 16. It's sheer brilliance![*]don't bother with acro and slot a Karma or Steadfast KB prot IO in steamy mist and your sorted (or in CJ if you go the SJ route).
Personally i find heroes -as opposed to villains- very much doable with SS + hurdle and the travel temps. Also SS + steamy mist stack nicely to invis and you don't need to buy the stealth IO (to stack with steamy mist) and you save a powerslot since hasten is by default the prerequisite to SS.[*]VG to be slotted with rech first and i agree with yclept that enhancing hold is not bad a plan either so the ticks have a longer duration each.[*]move O2 boost to later on when stuns (and sleeps and end drains) are more frequent. Get a more usefull power early on instead.[*]take Tornado, Earthquake and Hurricane (much) earlier. All great powers. Although tornado is only really good if you have the AoE immob (or even better both ST and AoE)[*]you prolly picked earth epic for concept reasons, but consider the ice or fire epic too. The former for it's rather nice Ice storm and excellent hibernate and the latter for the great balls of fire and consume is nice too for an endheavy toon like yours.[/list]Have fun!

Here's a quick build i put together (without enhancements):
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1,30
http://www.honourableunited.org.uk/mhd.php

Captain Terra: Level 48 Mutation Controller
Primary Power Set: Earth Control
Secondary Power Set: Storm Summoning
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Stone Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Fossilize -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gale -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stone Cages -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Snow Storm -- Empty(A)
Level 6: Quicksand -- Empty(A)
Level 8: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 10: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 12: Stalagmites -- Empty(A)
Level 14: Hasten -- Empty(A)
Level 16: Freezing Rain -- Empty(A)
Level 18: Earthquake -- Empty(A)
Level 20: Stamina -- Empty(A)
Level 22: Super Speed -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Steamy Mist -- Krma-ResKB:30(A)
Level 26: Volcanic Gasses -- Empty(A)
Level 28: Hurricane -- Empty(A)
Level 30: Stone Prison -- Empty(A)
Level 32: Animate Stone -- Empty(A)
Level 35: Tornado -- Empty(A)
Level 38: Lightning Storm -- Empty(A)
Level 41: Fissure -- Empty(A)
Level 44: Rock Armor -- Empty(A)
Level 47: Earth's Embrace -- Empty(A)
Level 49: O2 Boost -- Empty(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Containment

P.S. Theres much to be said to take stone prison before stone cages, but this way you'll have stone cages ready when you get stalagmites

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Why have corruptors been left out? ... but its about time corruptors got some love, as it is, we are like a poor mans defender except we cant even do as much damage as them

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Huh? That's far from the truth in my extended experience. Corrs are actually an overall awesome AT already as they are atm. Nothing much to be desired to be 'fixed' imho.
And most likely corrupters were left out the patch notes by accident like Wyx said.

P.S. personally i just skip flares, especially as a cor since you got loads of other much better options.
Blasters can have some use for it as they can still activate this 1st tier power while being mezzed and it offers them a dam boost.

Fiery Embrace only buffs yourself. It's an excellent power and i'd strongly advice to take it asap!

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Heya.
A friend and me rolled 2 ranged MMs (bots/traps and merc/TA). We usually group with a 3rd MM (thugs/dark) aswell.
My GF wants to try the game so i suggested her the best idea would be a corruptor or a dominator.
What do you all recommend? and what would be the best primary/secondary to go with us?.

Thxs in advance.

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cross thread posting

Generally a cor is easier to play then a domi, especially for a starting player like you said your GF.

Besides many times all the MM pets will be killing so fast and furious and knocking mobs all over the place that playing a domi will become easily tiresome, boring and annoying imo.

Then again i've found playing with multiple MM's boring and annoying anyway

Dont worry, it's not a stupid choice at all. Bit unusual, but imo traps offer quite a few great debuff options as well as calltrops to keep the mobs in your awesome (AoE) carnage
Fire/dark is sweet too and so are many many other combo's.
Bottomline will be no surprise: Go for it if you like the combo. And you'll also be a rarity - if that worth something to you

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I can't see a good reason for a /Kin to leave it out even if they're Mind/ and can't SB a Pet.

It's like an Empath without CM.

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I'll see... I plan on PL'ing my Fire/Kin closer to 50 today

[Unless anyone wants a lvl 46 bridge, then i can go to the PvP event on my main account =D]

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Great news: another (fire/kin) being PL'ed. Thanks for sharing this...

Indeed. Bloody fine SB. Don't go to town without it...

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Hey guys i was thinking of making a fire troler what would be the best secondery?

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Best? Generally speaking I'd vote for either /rad or /kin or /storm.
Most fun? /storm. For sure. No doubt.


Woot! my first post in a month or 2 ;-)

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I've fallen in love with the rapier/main gauche combo....

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Me too!

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What secondary powers do you have just out of curiousity?

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Curiosity killed the cat , but he mentioned him being plant/fire.


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well i have seeds of confusion and i use invention enhansments,

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Don't waste your time and inf on IO sets before lvl 30 IO's at lvl 27 and maybe lvl 17 earliest for some regular IO's lvl 20. IO's are just not worth the effort before that imo. Better (and easier) to stick to DO's and SO's till then.

I've played a plant/fire myself and it can be really powerfull, both for control and damage.
Good plan to drop the sleep and the tree.
And seeds totally rock! They're bound for a nerf if you ask me, so lvl up this toon asap

Build doesn't look bad, but aq few hints:

-Take stam asap at lvl 20 and for this push EF to 22 and ice storm till after that, because ice blast is endheavy and so are your toggles, especially EF. Besides you won't have enough slots to slot all those powers properly at that early a time anyway.
-Swap BFR and hasten around, or even skip BFR altogether.
-acro can be substituted by a KB prot IO and free up another power.
Personally I'd take Black Scorpion patron instead of Mako. Much more use to you for stacking more -rech and slows and the +def shield goes better with RI then the +res shield from Mako too

Enjoy!

Don't be ashamed to drop the rep if you are struggling.
And i always try to keep my enhance optimised for accu first, i mean renew (or stack them to ++) them asap, so you hit more often.
And if you still got problems with your holds getting at them, bring yellow insps.
All in all domi's are great and very much soloable in the higher lvls, but when low lvl, it's slow and hard work to solo

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It's great if you have the slots, but if you don't have them to spare, and also with TA's range and the ability to stay at vertical range from mobs with combat hover means flash is rarely used. I used to not like so called soft holds and concentrated on 'proper' holds. But these days I find glue arrow, spectral terror and/or PA to do the job just fine. Tbh, I use PA and EMP arrow reasonably rarely. Only when things go to pot. Spectral terror, glue arrow, then spam blind and ice arrow plus all your wonderful TA powers on the boss


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I'm an old skool troller myself, but can see where you coming from and i have to admit you could do without Flash on a ill/TA indeed being very much ranged geared. Especially when you have hover as travel which is very slow movement thus making it a lot harder to dip in and out quickly to do a well placed Flash. I'm a SS (and hasten) lover, so that (as also does sj) makes life much easier.
And later on you get the lovely EMP arrow for a ranged AoE hold to substitute. Still imo it won't be bad to take Flash for the earlier lvls till you get the other AoE control juice.

Good to see you took up the corrupter again after the enlightening discussion earlier in the general discussion thread It really can rock!

Few notes:
-about the accuracy: 1 accu will generally do fine in most situations, but being a accu freak myself i understand your deliberations.
solution: use IO's. Will save you lots of slots overall (for all aspects including your endurance) for a far more efficient slotting and a lot of them are even cheaper to get/make then buying SO's at the shop. Just get to know the market. Not even talking about the cost savings in the long run for not having to renew them. Use mids hero designer for the numbers.
And you've left the power that prolly needs good accu most with just one accu: fearsome stare. Again use IO sets.
-stare is one of your best powers amen. slot it more for accu debuff, fear duration or rech (and ofc accu as said above) to whatever you prefer, but really slot it more anyhow. (the IO sets Nightmare and the better, but more expensive Glimpse of abyss are really great in there with some excellent bonuses)
-SC is lvl 30 capped so acro at 35 won't be available in there as you think...
-good choice of you to keep both darkblast and gloom. slot them with 3 dam sooner (or the equivalent in IO's) like you should in all your damage attacks
-darkest night you want slotted with 3 accu debuffs
-base def of shadowfall is pants. so it's waste to slot it for def. better choice to slot resist rather then def, but even better to prioritise just for end redux (1 or 2)
-blackstar is by far the worst nuke ever conceived (dam wise, the accu debuff is great though) I advise to skip it. You loose all your toggles (DN/shadowfall/cj/acro, etc) and will suffer the crappy end drain/crash after firing it while it just only takes a hugely dissappointing relatively small amount of health even from minions But fair is fair it's a nuke
-tarpatch needs 3 rech (and possibly a imped swift dam proc and maybe a slow later on)
-you could free up a slot by taking 1 rech out of HT

Hope you will enjoy your new build.
Get used to positioning yourself with the cones (slotting some range enhancing IO's in both nightfall and tentacles will make this some what easier) and the dam can rack up quite nicely. Just dont expect fire blast damage

Have fun!

P.S. Life drain isn't the best power, but mostly underestimated as i discovered myself. It's a really good finishing move with scourge kicking in- which i found works very well.
The heal is pretty small indeed, but it also does accu debuff. It's great for A. to use on a tough single opponent like an EB by at the same time doing okay damage (darkblast numbers), stacking more accu debuff and giving you back some health and B. for a scourging killing move on minions. Maybe not a first choice power, but a good option for when you have a powerpick left.
Tbh, i wouldn't respec it out on my cor (dark/rad) and most certainly prefer it over blackstar any old day.

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-take flash, no proper trolling without your AoE hold

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It's not really a must for Illusion/Fire trollers. I'd prefer Spectral Terror/Flashfire anyday.

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Well each his own taste, but flash works differently from spec terror for your trolling.
Spec terror is a very nice control tool indeed, but no stacking multiple holds quickly, no containment setup, and the way fear works is absolutely no total lock down like an Aoe hold (made worse with ill lacking an AoE immob) especially with all the pets agroing constantly agroing the mobs out of fear

Having both spec terror and flash greatly enhances your trolling abilities. Better not leave home without both, but take flash in the 20's after SO's. And fire trollers do best to take both cinders and flashfire too.

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Have some faith on Devs You still got a long way 'til L35. I believe they'll fix it soon.

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We've all been believing (better to say rather fruitlessly hoping for) that for a loooooooong time now...

And at first glance a few quick words about your powerpicks without delving into slotting:
-Take sup invis earlier, it's very good (could very well swap around with ice arrow)
-take flash, no proper trolling without your AoE hold
-hasten at 49 is a shame, you want it around 30 at the latest (can take ss pool instead of fly to solve this easily, unless you're dead set on fly for concept reasons)
-drop med pool, it's really a waste of powers for you

Have fun, even with that idiot oilslick bug they refuse to fix

We've been believing (rather fruitlessly hoping tbh) that for a loooooooong time now...

Okty knows and on top of that iirc PB boosts the +recov from AM and the mezz of acro and shield effects as well.
Primal Forces (with PB) has prolly best use on /rad of all troller secondaries. And you don't use the shield? cough cough

Hibernate is a great power too though. Pets stay active and it doesn't detoggle you, but makes all the toggles non-effective for the time being in hibernate. So when you get out of hibernate all your toggles are directly up again as they were right before you activated hibernate.

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P.S has anyone managed to get permadom without a LOTG rech?

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Thats gonna take some serious gimping of everything else surely? Well, I wouldn't entertain trying.

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Depends for what you use it.Here is a perma domination sample build with a 7sec hasten downtime and no LoTG. Clicky

EDIT: Nvm the flurry at level 14 was just messing around checking some set combos

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Why do you hide your Hasten slotting?

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Probably one of these guys who thinks that, 6 slotting hasten will make it recharge loads faster than with 3.

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Lmao, sheer brilliance in thinking that is!

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After reading through loads of posts about fire/kins i was wanting to add ring of fire somewhere later on for holding AVs. Anything i can do without?

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vl 28 - Kick
lvl 30 - Tough
lvl 49 - Weave

these you can do without

also, you could probably do without acrobatics and slot in 1 or perhaps 2 knockback resistance IO's instead. That will be enough, if you're only using this for PVE, saving you another power choice.

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Good advice.
And take Cinders at the latest in your late 20's- which you can do easily when you drop the silly fighting pool Really no proper trolling without your AoE hold.

Yup, i'm very well connected indeed, but i don't like to brag or cheat.