Aett_Thorn

Not sure if that's the right goal or not. Because offense isn't the only way to distinguish the two ATs in terms of goals. For instance, an SR/ Tanker versus an /SR Brute. While the Brute is chasing down some +Def bonuses, the Tanker could chase recharge, +HP, Regen, +Damage, secondary effects or procs, etc. So, the Tanker can improve survivability AND offense at times, or might go with one over the other. So it's not always so easy.

But let's say that your goal is to just build for more offensive punch, and you only go with sets that give you a +DMG set bonus. Then it's easy to see exactly how many you could fit in in a given build without going over the rule of five. Let's say that you somehow fit in 3 2% damage bonuses, and 5 3% damage bonuses. That's 25% more damage, cutting the difference in killing speed in half, theoretically.

Or you could go with Recharge, especially if you're an AoE-heavy set, allowing you to waste minions much faster. You could probably get 50% more recharge easily. Does that equate to 50% higher kill speeds? Not necessarily, and it will vary greatly depending on the set in question (unless it allows for a 50% increase in damage over your old attack chain, it won't have a 50% increase, but if it allows you to drop weaker attacks out of an attack chain, you may notice a greater than 50% increase).

So really, it's a shot in the dark, and will vary depending on the exact build in question. It also depends on the goals of the user, the amount of set bonuses out there at any given time, and a number of other factors. So it's not so easy to do.

Tri-whips?

Well then obviously we need DUAL WHIPS!

May I ask why? Because that doesn't seem like a very good reason. You're not going to get everything for free, and I don't get why you would expect to get the more advanced AT options without paying for them in some fashion.

Also, I will gladly debate with you that the servers are far from empty.

1) Because you want a character that is tougher to take down.

2) You want to be tougher earlier in the game, and when you exemp.

3) Not everyone has access to IOs, or uses them even if they do have access. In these cases, the Tanker will ALWAYS be much tougher than the Brute.

4) You are making an assumption that the killing speed rate is higher than the survivability difference between Brutes and Tankers, which you haven't backed up. The killing speed rate might be much closer than you think.

5) You want to be as survivable with less power choices than the Brute


These are just some of the reasons that came to the top of my head.

Not a problem. You can basically put some slots in a power at level 50, and keep them at level 1. They won't be as effective as they are at level 50, but you'll be MUCH more powerful than you were at level 1.

May I ask why you skip Defense powers? Heightened Senses can be a huge survivability boost for your Stalker. Why would you skip it? I don't care if it's a long story, I honestly want to know, even if you just PM me with it. Being solely resistance-based just seems like an odd decision to me, when you could just avoid the hits in the first place.

Damage bonuses aren't the only way to increase kill speed, though. Recharge, endurance, etc. can all help you keep up a good kill speed.

Is that your opinion, or a fact?

Here's the problem. If they're built the exact same way, that Tanker is built way over the survivability that they need.

People tend to say that if you build the exact same way that the Brute has the edge. But that Brute, to get to the Soft-cap for Defense needs to put more into reaching that goal than the Tanker. The Tanker, however, can get their sooner, and use the other powers' slotting to go for other bonuses that the Brute won't be able to.

If you're saying that somehow, the Tanker needs the same slotting to get to the same end goal as the Brute, you're doing things wrong. The Tanker will need less bonuses to get to the same end goal, leaving slots for other things. I don't get why some people always leave that part out of this.

Basically, you can't have a Tanker and a Brute with the exact same slotting and compare them, because the Tanker is stupid in that case.

Yup, they're not a bad place for a single Proc, but since you generally want to slot damage auras with Acc and End anyways, going with set IOs tends to be better for most of the slots. Filling the thing with Procs means you're likely going to have endurance issues with the power anyways.

They use up a decent amount of endurance, but are good powers, especially for Tankers. as a WP/ Tanker, you have access to Quick Recovery, which should help you run a few additional toggles.

If you were asking if Tough and Weave recently got nerfed - then no, they didn't either.

Notice that the OP never says that he left and came back, but that he's been playing for 7 years.

Pretty much ^this.

You don't give us enough to go on to figure out how this would work, and this idea is far from "Figured Out." You leave a lot of questions as to how this would really work in practice, and just throw out ideas with no explanation for how they'd work.

How would the different forms within a set work? How would they work with the secondary assault sets? Would changing form change the attacks that you have access to? If so, would that mean that for each form, the Devs would need to create new animations and attacks? That's a TON of work for each individual primary set. Would choosing a primary lock you into a secondary, or would there be multiple secondary sets to choose from for each primary?

How would you balance "support" secondaries with "assault" secondaries if you could choose between them? What type of support powers are you taking about here?


This is the basic shell of an idea, but it needs a lot of work. sorry.

Then I really don't know what to tell you. Nothing has been nerfed in regards to Tankers, and they should be functioning just the same as they always have.