How is spines now and days?


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How is spines for a primary these days? Havent seen many of them lately and wondering if it's still good.
And does it go better with Dark armor, WP, Electric, or regeneration? Or rather when paired with spines, which is best for solo play survival overall?
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It's pretty good on stalkers. The trouble is, KM and the 100% crit rate pbaoe stole its thunder a bit. Throw spines is still great though. The coming buffs to barb swipe and lunge can only improve the set (I hope). Ripper can be/feel a tad slow, likewise with Impale.

I dont think I would recommend any of those sets, for a stalker. They are all (mostly) resistance based, and defence is much better for a stalker I think. That said..with the AS changes, you dont HAVE to rely as much on the old placate + not getting hit + go through the AS animation. So I guess they could be more worthwhile now. I'd most likely say WP,


 

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It's pretty good on stalkers. The trouble is, KM and the 100% crit rate pbaoe stole its thunder a bit. Throw spines is still great though. The coming buffs to barb swipe and lunge can only improve the set (I hope). Ripper can be/feel a tad slow, likewise with Impale.

I dont think I would recommend any of those sets, for a stalker. They are all (mostly) resistance based, and defence is much better for a stalker I think. That said..with the AS changes, you dont HAVE to rely as much on the old placate + not getting hit + go through the AS animation. So I guess they could be more worthwhile now. I'd most likely say WP,
Resistance base is what I'm going for. WP sounds like good choice, I have a claws WP and it was fun to play.


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Resistance base is what I'm going for. WP sounds like good choice, I have a claws WP and it was fun to play.
You're much better off with a defense set and utilizing Tough for a bit of resistance. I recommend /Ice as a secondary, Icy Bastion is unbelievably amazing for the 30 seconds of capped resistance.


 

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You're much better off with a defense set and utilizing Tough for a bit of resistance. I recommend /Ice as a secondary, Icy Bastion is unbelievably amazing for the 30 seconds of capped resistance.
resistance is what I'm aiming for, not a defense set. Why? Long history, long story that I do not wish to repeat and thus I made a choice, my choice, to not bother with anymore defense sets. Given that ice is defense based, it is totally out of the question for me.

Now if ya have any resistance based set suggestions. I'm more than all ears.


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Resistance base is what I'm going for. WP sounds like good choice, I have a claws WP and it was fun to play.
Willpower is a mixed set.

If you want Resistance you're looking at Electrical Armor.


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Wait for bio armor.


 

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Wait for bio armor.
Thinking about it but not sure when the release date is. Might be waiting for a few months. Looking for something more in the nearer future.


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Willpower is a mixed set.

If you want Resistance you're looking at Electrical Armor.
Only Heightened senses yes but I always skip that one. And the psionic defense Indomible will which I slot with end reduce and dont add slots to it. Not enough defense for it to matter on my WPs. I'll look into electric armor for the Stalker.
But if two out of nine powers make it a mixed set then I guess regen is actually a mixed set too with resistance, it has two. A heal with toxic resistance and resiliance.


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Only Heightened senses yes but I always skip that one. And the psionic defense Indomible will which I slot with end reduce and dont add slots to it. Not enough defense for it to matter on my WPs. I'll look into electric armor for the Stalker.
But if two out of nine powers make it a mixed set then I guess regen is actually a mixed set too with resistance, it has two. A heal with toxic resistance and resiliance.
May I ask why you skip Defense powers? Heightened Senses can be a huge survivability boost for your Stalker. Why would you skip it? I don't care if it's a long story, I honestly want to know, even if you just PM me with it. Being solely resistance-based just seems like an odd decision to me, when you could just avoid the hits in the first place.


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May I ask why you skip Defense powers? Heightened Senses can be a huge survivability boost for your Stalker. Why would you skip it? I don't care if it's a long story, I honestly want to know, even if you just PM me with it. Being solely resistance-based just seems like an odd decision to me, when you could just avoid the hits in the first place.
I'll PM ya.


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May I ask why you skip Defense powers? Heightened Senses can be a huge survivability boost for your Stalker. Why would you skip it? I don't care if it's a long story, I honestly want to know, even if you just PM me with it. Being solely resistance-based just seems like an odd decision to me, when you could just avoid the hits in the first place.
She is convinced defense doesn't work for her. Anytime it comes up the thread devolves into math vrs perception, and degrades from there. She has made her decision, and prefers resistance as a defense mechanic and does not wish to turn it into an argument. I can respect that.


 

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She is convinced defense doesn't work for her. Anytime it comes up the thread devolves into math vrs perception, and degrades from there. She has made her decision, and prefers resistance as a defense mechanic and does not wish to turn it into an argument. I can respect that.
In short, bascially.


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Only Heightened senses yes but I always skip that one.


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May I get in on that explaination pm as well?


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The "why" can be found in the MM Forum

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=293578

It's worth the read. Post #29 is where the magic happens.
I'd read it before, but still...ARGH IT HURTS MY EYES.

Could someone, I don't know, Werner or somebody give a link to a YouTube of something with softcapped defenses sitting in a giant pile of enemies and not dying? I have to hope that might convince her.


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Yup, read that whole thread just now. I guess if "Statistically impossible" doesn't turn on any light bulbs nothing else will so I won't bother. Good luck with your gaming "experiance", I hope you can manage to get your head on straight at some point.


I'd recommend Dark or Elec armor since you want pure resistanceand still have some measure of survivability.


I'm sorry on behalf of Hide and Shadow Dweller from Dark Armor, how dare they have defense, it's absurd! I will pm the devs and try to get that fixed right away.


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So,Dark armor looks like it would be good too. Just have to be careful and get that end under control.

Dont think I tried that one just yet on a stalker and sounds like it should be good combo with Spines. Same with electric.

Well thanks for the good info about these sets and thanks to those that stuck to the subject instead of trying to start something.

I'ma get to work on the stalker either today or tomorrow. Thanks.


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Look into a Theft of the Essence proc to slot into Dark Regeneration if you choose to go with Dark Armor. While I haven't tried it personally, several people on the forums will swear by it stating that they often end up with more endurance back than they used. Electric Armor won't end up with endurance issues, but it doesn't really have any advantages until you get Energize and Power Sink, so take that into mind when you're leveling up on the build - you may want some endurance reduction in attacks until then.

Spines on a Stalker loses a bit of the main strength of the set by getting rid of Quills but trades it off with much better single target damage in Assassin's Impaler. You get a more well-rounded set that can still do good AoE damage, making it more useful overall (IMO).


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Does that mean that you don't have Incincibility on the Brute in your sig?


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Does that mean that you don't have Incincibility on the Brute in your sig?
That has nothing to do with Spine and stalkers and resistant based armors that go with it.


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Look into a Theft of the Essence proc to slot into Dark Regeneration if you choose to go with Dark Armor. While I haven't tried it personally, several people on the forums will swear by it stating that they often end up with more endurance back than they used. Electric Armor won't end up with endurance issues, but it doesn't really have any advantages until you get Energize and Power Sink, so take that into mind when you're leveling up on the build - you may want some endurance reduction in attacks until then.

Spines on a Stalker loses a bit of the main strength of the set by getting rid of Quills but trades it off with much better single target damage in Assassin's Impaler. You get a more well-rounded set that can still do good AoE damage, making it more useful overall (IMO).
yea with electric armor, I have experience with that on other sets. In fact had an electric armor brute prior to energize and I must say that energize was improvement. Even though power sink on a stalker sounds like fun though.
Now with the new stalker changes that I've been hearing about, does it take you out of hid if say you pop power sink? Or can you drain their end then pop them with AS? Even though in practical reason, I would probably AS them first but concept wise would be funny to see if ya can drain their end with power sink then finish them off with a AS or if it's group of mob, might be able to drain all the end pop AS and not worry about too many attacks.


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Nope just a case of extreem curiosity.


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