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Quote:You can't have strong without pretty if you're taking about energy aura...that's where the pretty comes fromOriginally Posted by ultrawatt
Haha, relax im only joking. Ive seen WM/EA preform very well. Both when its been IOed and only SOed. So strong yes, but I'm not sure where the pretty came from though.
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Quote:My soft-capped WM\EA brute (aptly named "Pretty and Strong") who solo's +2\x8 spawns with EASE says differently. Even with some basic IO slotting it could do x8..post IO's....it is definitely STRONG and PRETTY. WM and EA do go well together...but like most defense sets....it's late blooming.Originally Posted by ultrawatt
Anyway there is no 'best' brute, however WM/nrg isn't strong nor is it pretty :P
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Quote:Just like bacon, claws goes good with just about everything (where allowed).Originally Posted by Immortal Behemoth
I'm really interested in trying out claws but I can't decide on a proper secondary. What would you suggest Col?
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Quote:The OP actually waited ~3 days, not 7 hours.Originally Posted by vernichterhelge
1. this is not the pvp section of this forum
2. its very impolite to cry for a build without giving us some information
3. be patient (7 hours arent enough for all to look at this thread)
4. i dont know how a pain MM should be slottet in PvP but the things above had to be said
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Quote:Sounds like something that needs to be tested!Originally Posted by Silas
I've not tested myself but I would imagine it's not like the FFB proc. The FFB proc is an exception. Using the heal proc in Salt Crystals I had a chance for it to go off per-target so I often got multiple heals.
I wouldn't say its worth it though, as the heal is really pitifully small. Even if you hit several mobs with it. Not worth the slot, especially if you've got other sources of healing. -
Quote:From what I recall it will only fire once...like +RCHG in force feedback.Originally Posted by ElectroHawk
Anyone tried to put the chance to self heal in their Demon Prince and see if that triggers when he uses Frozen aura? I guess it would only trigger on Frozen aura but i'm thinking that since it's a PBAOE, the 5% heal multiplied by the amount of target hit could make him pretty hard to kill.
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Things this strong never really die...they're far to pretty to.
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Quote:/raiseHandOriginally Posted by BrandX
Not only that, not all DS/ MMs are Dark Miasma.
If it still does damage, what's the problem? A PBAOE attack that does cold damage.
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Quote:You're only 4 slotting your lt's? And for +RES only? That doesn't seem right.Originally Posted by Chrome_Family
Summon Demons[/B] -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(13), RctvArm-ResDam(13), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(48)
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I've been exceptionately happy with (believe it or not) my demon\ff MM. Force fields make the tier1\2 pretty durable on top of their resistance...but it's what it does to the demon prince that I love the most since he has a sizable DEF already...before I bring my stuff. It's pretty easy to soft cap him and with him being the boss pet he runs at my level....yum
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Quote:I've been itching to make a poison as well, but I just can't wait until level 38 for the combo to shine...and I have NO doubt that noxious gas on the demon prince will be insane.Originally Posted by Crop_of_shaolin
i went demon/poison i see good things happening at higher lvls, its sitting at l20
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Quote::-pOriginally Posted by chriz2ferx
Sounds pretty personal :-P
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Quote:I've started working on a DS/TA as well...my one single problem with the set has always been that the sets power is centered around a level 35 power (oil slick). I'm sure it'll be crazy once you have demons + oil slick...but getting there (which is true for TA with any MM set) can be a chore..at least that has been my experience.Originally Posted by Chrome_Family
My wife made a Demon/Dark and I was looking to not make a /Thermal or /Pain and was thinking is this combo would be any good for PvE?
I was thinking specifically for Oil Slick since it ignites with fire and glue Arrow will stick them there.
I also see a few Arrows that do -res that would stack with Demon attacks too.
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Quote:As a mastermind I find it more useful to KD up to 10 enemies as opposed to one hard one...but that's just my play-style. With crack which you could slot +FF in it and have a pretty reasonable chance of it going off..not something you could do with lash. In the end it's all about style...play-style that is.Originally Posted by Jharber
Well, Lash is a 40% chance of KD, and 10.66 end with no end red on an 8sec CD and crack whip is 25% chance of KD for 17.94 end with no end rec on a 15sec CD. I would rather concentrate on one harder target for less CD and less end than a "chance" for more targets with a much smaller chance to KD. Also, I am very good with cones because of playing dark melee, I actually am fond of most cones, I just don't want to have to take the extra time on a mastermind for a power like this. I will probably have enough to worry about as it is lol. Most people suck with small cones also.
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Quote:I think it's fine on a defender or controller...but with MM, you cannot control your pets and they lose their supremacy bonus when you run personal force field. I've rarely been in a scenario where I personally needed it as a MM.Originally Posted by Jharber
I played a /FF Mastermind for a group only toon and man I Looove personal force field. I took medical up to resuscitate and recall friend. I saved people loads of trouble all the time, by not dying and recalling the team to save spots and rezing them or letting them insp rez. It is also good to run through TF and then recall team to the place you need to be. I think PFF is VERY nice imo.
Again it could be a taste thing (I don't make MM FF toons to provide the kind of support you do), but I find PFF highly situational as a mastermind and I never pick it up except towards the end when I have nothing better to pick up (typically lvl 49). If you're found it that useful I think that's great, just not something that fits my playstyle. If I wanted to teleport\rez\zoom to other spots on the map...I'd make a dark MM with superspeed (which would do all the above that you mentioned, but without needing to dip into pools). -
And Force Field. I know...everyone think's traps is better...but I love my Demon\FF mastermind. The demon prince's defense plus my +DEF from force field makes him quite the monster to deal with.
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Quote:Before you enter the realm of IO's, what I normally pick up on my Force Field masterminds are:Originally Posted by Black_Sabath
Personal Force Field, Defection Shield, & Insulation Shield seem like no brainers to take. How should I slot these? I looked around & it seems I11 is the most recent force field guide I could find(the Force Fielder`s Bible). Are any of the other powers worth taking to protect Minions? or what other Force Field powers would you recomend?
force bolt - duh..required...no slotting
Deflection Shield - 3DEF
Insulation Shield - 3DEF
Dispersion Bubble - 3DEF\1(or more)-END
Also Repulsion Bomb isn't a horrible power and something to look at. I personally never take personal force field on my MM's...but that's a personal preference. -
It's pretty easy to get at least 3 targets (solo) with crack whip...on an 8 man team it's even easier to get the target cap (10). So if you're skilled with cones, it's not a bad place for a force feedback proc. Also, I personally find Crack Whip superior to lash or corruption because it's a multi-target knockdown (that just happens to do decent damage + it has -RES on top of that)...that's what I use it for primarily...it's a way to help mitigate some damage. It doesn't really require heavy slotting to make it useful and therefore if you got the slots I'd put a feedback proc in it (I know I will).
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Quote:I had storm and dark in beta....the thing that stands out between the two though is that demons is a more melee oriented set and in the end fluffy goes really well with that (as does the rest of dark for the most part). Hurricane\tornado\lightning storm..not so much. There isn't a whole lot that I could find, when it comes to synergy, that storm offers a melee set like demons.Originally Posted by SwellGuy
/storm also comes to mind
Just my opinion though....freezing rain is really the only thing that I can think of that would really be useful (and steamy mist to boost elemental resistance). As FOTM as it may be, to me, demons\dark goes really well together.
For me, because I HATE having to buff my minions every 4 minutes, I'm going to be doing either pain or dark (probably both). Poison is REALLY attractive for noxious gas on the demon prince, but not sure if I could wait until level 38 for that. -
Quote:Is the bug still in oil slick where the pets will go running away? Reason I ask is the demons is a very melee oriented set and with TA..that could be problematic.Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
on test i was juggling between either a demon/trap or a demon/TA
when i can get on im gonna make a demon/trap because i reasoned to myself that traps has better tools for not only debuffing the enemy but also keeping the demons alive -
I made a thugs\FF mastermind once...got him into the 30's and even then with the redshirt having insane defense he still died a lot (probably due to his level since at that point he's -2 to me, which means he's at least -2 to even cons).
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I do, and have, farmed a little with my thugs\dark and what really makes it easy is when you can corner pull a spawn with darkest night into a tar patch. When they start coming around the corner I jump in front of them and hit fearsome stare...and then the boys go to work and the entire spawn is done in ~20 seconds or so.
The key is being able to get a x8 spawn bundled up as tightly as possible on a tar patch and corner pulling does the trick (at least for me). -
FF....why? Because no one else will be FF. It'll be all dark\therm\pain\storm's running around. Besides they have decent resists and layered resist + defense tends to work out pretty well.
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I would say either energy or electricity. I rarely see any of these in the late game (especially energy)
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Quote:I personally would not slot Night Fall with -tohit instead of damage. If I really wanted to buff -tohit, I'd do it in Tenebrous Tentacles. I used to do that but really didn't see the need with dark pit in my arsenal. You've also selected to go without speed boost, which could be a problem on teams (if you worry about that sort of thing). I've found that, while I can solo just fine, finding a team is pretty easy because I have (and slot) speed boost.Originally Posted by Novawulfe
This is how I'd go about it, and hope to god mezzes don't roll me every time.