William_Valence

Sorry, I might not be understanding what he was asking, or your example correctly. Isn't that image representative of an object that's unable to move along the x-axis?

You have an object, It is only able to move along the x-axis and a force is exerted along the Y-axis against the object. The object is unable to move along the Y-axis, so if it were flat the object wouldn't move. However in this case the object is at a 45 degree angle, so the force pushes both down and aganst the object's angle, causing it to move along the X-axis.

I believe the question is how much of the force from the Y-Axis, being exerted, is pushing in the direction of the X-axis.
Or I could be stoned, who knows I -do- have the munchies.

Actually, the reason I was so intent on maxHP buffs is because, from what I can tell, they're often found alongside recharge buffs.

Anyway, I'm able to put up a build now, and would very much appreciate a once over if you can. Just to make sure I didn't do anything too outlandish.

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Moonshatter: Level 50 Science Warshade
Primary Power Set: Umbral Blast
Secondary Power Set: Umbral Aura
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Concealment

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Ebon Eye -- Dev'n-Acc/Dmg(A), Dev'n-Dmg/EndRdx(34), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34)
Level 1: Absorption -- S'fstPrt-ResKB(A)
Level 2: Gravimetric Snare -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(7), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(15), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(25), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(27)
Level 4: Orbiting Death -- Dmg-I(A)
Level 6: Dark Nova -- P'Shift-End%(A)
Level 8: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 10: Penumbral Shield -- HO:Ribo(A)
Level 12: Sunless Mire -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(13), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(13), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(15), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45)
Level 14: Shadow Cloak -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 16: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 18: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Zephyr-ResKB(25)
Level 20: Black Dwarf -- HO:Ribo(A)
Level 22: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(23)
Level 24: Stygian Circle -- Panac-Heal/EndRedux(A), Panac-Heal(45), Panac-EndRdx/Rchg(48), Panac-Heal/Rchg(50), Panac-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(50)
Level 26: Gravitic Emanation -- Amaze-Stun(A), Amaze-Acc/Rchg(40), Amaze-EndRdx/Stun(40), Amaze-Stun/Rchg(42), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(46)
Level 28: Inky Aspect -- Stpfy-Acc/Rchg(A), Stpfy-EndRdx/Stun(36), Stpfy-Acc/EndRdx(43), Stpfy-Stun/Rng(43), Stpfy-Acc/Stun/Rchg(43)
Level 30: Gravity Well -- Dmg-I(A), Hectmb-Dmg(36), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(42), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold(42), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(48), BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(48)
Level 32: Dark Extraction -- C'Arms-Dmg/EndRdx(A), C'Arms-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), C'Arms-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(37), S'bndAl-Acc/Rchg(37), S'bndAl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), S'bndAl-Dmg/Rchg(39)
Level 35: Stygian Return -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 38: Eclipse -- Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/Rchg(39), ImpArm-ResDam/Rchg(39), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(40), Acc-I(50)
Level 41: Quasar -- Erad-Acc/Rchg(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(45), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 44: Vengeance -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 47: Nebulous Form -- Zephyr-ResKB(A)
Level 49: Grant Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve
Level 0: Portal Jockey
Level 0: Task Force Commander
Level 0: The Atlas Medallion
Level 50: Spiritual Core Paragon
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Level 1: Brawl -- Dmg-I(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Clrty-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Dark Sustenance
Level 1: Shadow Step -- HO:Micro(A)
Level 10: Shadow Recall -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Flight-I(A)
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Level 6: Dark Nova Bolt -- Dev'n-Acc/Dmg(A), Dev'n-Dmg/EndRdx(33), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34)
Level 6: Dark Nova Blast -- Apoc-Dam%(A), Apoc-Dmg/Rchg(31), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), Apoc-Acc/Rchg(33), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx(33)
Level 6: Dark Nova Emanation -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(27), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(29), Posi-Dmg/Rng(29), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(31)
Level 6: Dark Nova Detonation -- Ragnrk-Dmg(A), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(3), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(3), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(5), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(5)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Strike -- C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(A)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Smite -- Hectmb-Dam%(A), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(19), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(21), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(21), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(23)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Mire -- Armgdn-Dam%(A), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(7), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(9), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(9), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(11)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Drain -- Dmg-I(A), Dmg-I(11), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(17), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(17), Numna-Heal/Rchg(19)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Step -- Winter-ResSlow(A)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Antagonize -- Taunt-I(A)



That's not -that- insane, is it? Depending on what sets come with I21, I might move slots from Inky Aspect to Dwarf Strike. As for Pnumbral Shield, I just can't seem to get the Eye aura right in the costume creator, so I use it

Where would you put +HP on your list of priorities when it comes to High end WS slotting? My build strategy was Recharge then +HP, because of the immense ammount of resistance. I'm not the best build-maker, but I was seeking as much of both as I could.

I'm not at my home computer right now so I can't post a build, I was just wondering how much you valued +HP bonuses, because you didn't seem to say that much about them in your guide. Either that or I missed it, but they seem like they'd be extremely powerful for Warshades.

Honest mistake, I saw the numbers you were using and knew the actual numbers were different. There is a thing called arcanatime. Arcanatime is = [RoundUp(CastTime / 0.132) + 1] * 0.132. This means that the actual animation of Charged brawl isn't .83. It's actually 1.056. When you use the correct animation time, the blaster's version wins at the recharge cap. 3.056/1.656= 1.85 or scrapper gets 1.85 charged brawls to the blaster's one. 57.8*1.85 = 106.93. Not by much, but it wins. Which is still entirely irrelevent, and not an accurate representation of the AT's damage.

I assumed that your results were because you were buffing the scrapper not the blaster. I was wrong. You were still wrong, but I admit I misread what you were saying. At least the first two lines of my post. The rest of what I said is still accurate.

Also, I've shown that you were wrong with your method of comparison. The Damage per cast cycle of one power isn't an accurate comparison of the two ATs damage outputs, even more so when you don't even know what the cast cycle is. You made the claim that scrappers outdamage blasters. Still waiting for you to prove it.

Did you really just compare a kin buffed scrapper to a vannila blaster and try to use that to prove a point?



Impressive.

In many cases, such as charged brawl, the blaster version has a higher damage scale than the scrapper version. Accompanying this is a higher recharge to fit the Dam/rech/end ratio guidelines. However, the blaster versions get a distinct advantage in DPA. DPA is the Damage per activation time. When you're just firing a single power off over and over, you need to be aware of the DPS (cast cycle) which is the damage / (activation + rech). If you're chaining multiple powers together, you need to be aware of the DPA or the damage/ activation.

It's the DPA of attacks in powersets such as Marial arts that shows the most effective way damage can be delivered is by using the power storm kick as many times as possible, while filling in recharge gaps with the highest DPA attacks in the set. Another example would be Firey melee for scrappers. Assuming all powers are slotted Acc/Dam/Dam/End/Rech/Rech; Scorch looks like good damage due to having the best DPS (cast cycle) but when trying to get the most damage out of the set, it actually hurts damage output to use it. Incinerate has the greater DPA, so you start with it, then you fill in with attacks that take up it's recharge time, while dealing the most damage in that time (DPA). Incinerate has a 6s recharge time when 2-slotted for recharge (SOs). That recharge is best filled with Cremate/Fire Sword/GFS with a .192s gap. Trying to fill this gap with Scorch actually lowers your DPS. Oh, look a 3s rech power with half the damage is less valuable for dps than a 10s recharge power with twice the damage, despite the DPS (cast time) being so much larger for the lower recharge attack.

whodathunkit?

I didn't consider recharge, not because I was trying to pull a fast one. It was because I understand what a Real ingame senario would look like, and recharge is of much less importance than damage. You are completely misleading people on damage output, and you either don't care or don't understand. My guess is some combination of both.

Funny. Really funny, when you compare a situation that, both, isn't representative of how the game is played and compares a power with buffs to a power without.

Please stop pretending you have any clue about what you're talking about. You don't.

Huh huh...you said titter

First, in a thread talking about what blasters bring to the team, and if other ATs bring more, I did an analysis showing they don't. And even if it was a thread talking about how survivable they are, an analysis of their damage would be warranted to see if they are less survivable while getting damage to compensate.

Also, please, please, please, please, PLEAAAAASE show that other ATs can do just as much damage as blasters. PLEASSSSSE!

You won't because you refuse to back up anything you say, but if you put on that helmet and brave the trecherous calculator to do so, for once, I'll give you credit.

Again, the discussion is if blasters are bringing something to the table that other ATs cant, or do other ATs bring everything blaster's do and more. Blasters bring the highest level of damage available.

The discussion is not, if blasters underperform in solo situations.

Wait, you may have just tried to back something up!

Shouldn't have gotten myself so excited, you're still just spouting off random stuff that doesn't make sense. Blaster ranged mod 1.125 melee mod 1. Scrapper melee mod 1.125. WAIT 1.125!!!!! SCRAPPERS DO MOAR DMG ONOEZZ!!!111!!!1

WAIT! Lets look at a real world situation and see if this is even possible (see what I did there, and if you'd take my advice and actually see if the problem you're preaching exists, then you'd be less laughable)

Electric blaster vs electric manipulation: Charged brawl (scrapper) = 57.8 damage <> Charged brawl (blaster) = 109!

Manipulation is not a strait port to Melee, and you have to check individual powers in their case. I could compare directly between Blasters and corruptors because their powers had the same damage scales which reduced to the AT damage mods. This is not the case for Blasters vs Scrappers. Manipulation sets are balanced differently, and need a much different comparison method. Also, many powers in the set are of a utility nature allowing the Blaster to branch out into other types of effects than just damage.

If you wan't to say other AT's do more damage than blasters, you'll need to prove it. Go ahead, I'll wait.

No, the equivalent is me showing there's a point where damage is more important to a team or at a certain point enough damage makes survivability meaningless and any addition to the team is meaningless, and you continuing to say that blaster's are replaceable on teams. And one better, that I'm ignoring the value of splitting up and not taking TEAM CONTENT on as a TEAM.

Are there issues with the AT? Yeah.

Is the AT obsolete and passed up by every other AT? NO. That's the issue.

If you have specific issues with blasters, you should gather data and pm a dev with the information and a suggested fix. List out, this is problem one. This is why it should be fixed, this is how it should be fixt. This is problem two, this is why...Ect.

Raging about how useless blasters are with nothing to back it up is just a waste of time, and an annoyance. Pull you're fingers out of your ears, and start a rational, reasonable discussion on the topic. (this thread isn't that topic, it's the topic of "Are blasters surpurflous?") I'm sure people will be happy to discuss real issues with actual facts supporting them.

I disagree with this slightly. I believe the reason individuals won't be able to purchase incarnate access is to push them -HARD- in the direction of subscribing. Ouro aside, with two character slots total. They will hit 50 and be like everyone was before iTrials. They'll wonder "what next". Then they have to choose. Either nothing, or subscribe. This is a big part of why the trials are the focus IMO, because the more there is when freedom hits, the easier it will be to market. Not so much GG's theory that for some reason the devs feel our cosmic level characters cant take part in cosmic level stories solo, dispite already doing so, before being cosmic level.


It is the way, and no offense to the person in the video, that was about the only area he got wrong. I'll admit it wasn't so much that he was wrong in general, but because he was talking about something that doesn't apply so much in our case. He was talking about monetization through microtransactions whereas we're supporting a subscription with microtransactions. These are different things with different goals.

The goal here is to entice players to play this game, then hook them into subscribing. The monetization does two things. First it trains players that spending money give more access to the game, making it easier to get them to jump into a subscription. Second it supports the subscription income allowing them to budget new things that would have been out of reach. Additionally it allows them to modify their content creation pipeline to better bring items to the player.

When you do tiered memberships like freedom will, (freedom isn't F2P so much as tiered), you create senarios similar to the one they discribed with Ingame stores. The first tier should be easy, if not trivial, to work through. When they do they will learn, this action->that result. The action being "pay money", and the result being "get game access". This isn't so much a community split, as it is a trial. In a F2P game where the only pay options are microtransactions, it splits the community by making every action gated. However in a tierd system, these gates can be sidestepped, and thats the explicit goal of the system here.

However to do it right, there needs to be a way for them to try what they're missing. The best way is one I suggested when they first annouced Freedom. That is, giving paying customers tokens that they can give to free customers. They would allow for access to content that's...above their pay grade if you will.

But really, the way their doing it is about the only way it could work. That is, a microtransaction system supporting subscriptions.



Grouchy pants need to come off. Also that was a bad time to whip out that copy/paste. What he was saying is a valid concern. The goal of CoH Freedom is to bring in more players as paying subscribers. One of the biggest reasons CoH has the player retention it does, is most likely the community. So it's a valid concern that they'd be shooting themselves in the foot if they split the community. Asking why it should be done this way is not unreasonable at all.

In a situation where the survivibility threashold has been reached, Damage > all. It isn't a given that a debuffer will provide more damage than a damage dealer, so adding a def/corr/cont isn't a given. In team makup situations where survivibility threashold is reached and the damage dealer is > the force multiplier, the blaster is -THE- best choice. My proof was that a Force multiplier isn't always the best choice, and it can be beat by pure damage. (BTW this -was- addressed in my other post)

However when the ability to survive the challenge hasn't been met, that's the priority. Remembering that you need less survivibility when you have more damage. It's in these team combinations that Brutes/scrappers are a better choice, because they bring lesser ammounts of damage, but the survivibilty to deliver that damage. Combine that with enough supplementary damage, and their lesser mitigation becomes just enough to defeat a given challenge, with less concern toward gaining more survivibilty.

Adding a Tanker is usually enough to hit the survivibility threashold. Again, once the ability to survive incoming damage is reached, the priority is maximizing outgoing damage.

This is a delicate balance of numbers, that you've shown a complete inability to understand. However, the point is that blasters are not replacable by other ATs and, as expected from a game, some choices are better than others a certain times. The great thing about this game is, that better doesn't mean absolutly neccesary.