My MFing Build
Glad you worked vengeance in.
Another thing- if you stick with the orbiting death idea against AV's, you can rename your Warshade Orbiting Dechs!
Could you also post your UI there Dechs? I use a very different UI then most on my warshade (i think i've sent you a screenshot of it before) and i always wondered how people use those binds and other things to swap out powertrays on the fly.
My UI works for me, but its always nice to see how other people, especially you, actually runs their warshade.
Glad you worked vengeance in.
Another thing- if you stick with the orbiting death idea against AV's, you can rename your Warshade Orbiting Dechs! |
Thanks for posting your build Dechs. I am sure it will be a great benefit for those interested in the AT.
I'm here to tell you, those fears ends today.
|
The Inspiration Maker's Guide [i12] UPDATED with POPMENUS and Movement Binds!
A Flash in the Dark: The Electric/Ninjitsu Stalker [i23]
Kheldian Inspiration Macros UPDATED with POPMENUS and Movement Binds!
Guide to the Katana~Ninja Blade/Electric [i23]
Another thing- if you stick with the orbiting death idea against AV's, you can rename your Warshade Orbiting Dechs!
|
It is possible I made a terrible attack chain. It is also possible that two out of three attacks in the dwarf chain have purple sets.
Great idea, I'll try to get this posted by tonight after I get home from work.
I recommend Vengeance for any person who teams regularly and rarely falls first in battle.
|
Bwahahahahaha I got one!
Where to now?
Check out all my guides and fiction pieces on my blog.
The MFing Warshade | The Last Rule of Tanking | The Got Dam Mastermind
Everything Dark Armor | The Softcap
don'T attempt to read tHis mEssaGe, And believe Me, it is not a codE.
I did some number crunching. Trying to use Orbiting Debt and my Human single target attack chain brings me to 85 DPS against a single target (including Sunless Mire). If I stay in Dwarf Form, I can easily reach 100 DPS against the same single target.
It is possible I made a terrible attack chain. It is also possible that two out of three attacks in the dwarf chain have purple sets. |
Stil m4d @ u
The Inspiration Maker's Guide [i12] UPDATED with POPMENUS and Movement Binds!
A Flash in the Dark: The Electric/Ninjitsu Stalker [i23]
Kheldian Inspiration Macros UPDATED with POPMENUS and Movement Binds!
Guide to the Katana~Ninja Blade/Electric [i23]
Well, you don't have the ideal setup for human attack chain, but if you add the t4 Reactive radial, Orbiting Debt should become more desirable.
Stil m4d @ u |
I mean, my Gravity Well recharges in just over 5 seconds. It cannot get much faster. I'm not even to 100 DPS in human, so I'm either doing something terribadwrong or your T4 Reactive is 100 DPS alone.
Where to now?
Check out all my guides and fiction pieces on my blog.
The MFing Warshade | The Last Rule of Tanking | The Got Dam Mastermind
Everything Dark Armor | The Softcap
don'T attempt to read tHis mEssaGe, And believe Me, it is not a codE.
Can you set aside the rage just long enough to tell me what your human form attack chain is? I know you've posted numbers that show around 200 DPS.
I mean, my Gravity Well recharges in just over 5 seconds. It cannot get much faster. I'm not even to 100 DPS in human, so I'm either doing something terribadwrong or your T4 Reactive is 100 DPS alone. |
The build of mine I think you're referencing uses GWell>SBlast>EDrain>SBlast; or, with enough recharge boost either from Ageless or others to get GWell down to 4.88s recharge, it uses GWell>SBlast>SBolt>SBlast. It's slotted much differently though.
Edit: Actually, just checked, the 200 dps one uses GWell>SBlast>Eye>SBlast, but it's a dual form build.
The Inspiration Maker's Guide [i12] UPDATED with POPMENUS and Movement Binds!
A Flash in the Dark: The Electric/Ninjitsu Stalker [i23]
Kheldian Inspiration Macros UPDATED with POPMENUS and Movement Binds!
Guide to the Katana~Ninja Blade/Electric [i23]
You're missing Shadow Blast, which is normal for a triformer to skip, but essential to the best human chain. I added SBlast to your build (took out Unchain for it), turned on the reactive and one enemy hit by Sunless Mire, and I'm showing ~138 dps before pets (GWell>SBlast>GSnare>Eye), without going into an extremely accurate analysis.
The build of mine I think you're referencing uses GWell>SBlast>EDrain>SBlast; or, with enough recharge boost either from Ageless or others to get GWell down to 4.88s recharge, it uses GWell>SBlast>SBolt>SBlast. It's slotted much differently though. Edit: Actually, just checked, the 200 dps one uses GWell>SBlast>Eye>SBlast, but it's a dual form build. |
Like you said, though, I could bring it up to about 138 DPS. [Ben Stein Voice] Woohoo. I may die of excitement here. [/Ben Stein Voice] No. I think I'll be happy with my mediocre chain if I decide to stay human form for any extended period of time.
Where to now?
Check out all my guides and fiction pieces on my blog.
The MFing Warshade | The Last Rule of Tanking | The Got Dam Mastermind
Everything Dark Armor | The Softcap
don'T attempt to read tHis mEssaGe, And believe Me, it is not a codE.
Ok, this explains a little bit. When I did try making a "good" human attack chain, Shadow Blast was in the build. The best chain I could come up with, though, was G.Well>G.Snare>S.Blast>G.Snare, which is pretty bad. In fact, it's terrible.
Like you said, though, I could bring it up to about 138 DPS. [Ben Stein Voice] Woohoo. I may die of excitement here. [/Ben Stein Voice] No. I think I'll be happy with my mediocre chain if I decide to stay human form for any extended period of time. |
Dechs if you're looking to have your highest DPS attack chain in human, why not drop Nova and use the extra slots/power choice to achieve that goal? Just an idea.
Dechs if you're looking to have your highest DPS attack chain in human, why not drop Nova and use the extra slots/power choice to achieve that goal? Just an idea.
|
It wasn't until I sat down and did some math that I realized Nova is just always going to be the best when it comes to damage of any sort.
At this point, I'm happy with my "passable" human chain.
Where to now?
Check out all my guides and fiction pieces on my blog.
The MFing Warshade | The Last Rule of Tanking | The Got Dam Mastermind
Everything Dark Armor | The Softcap
don'T attempt to read tHis mEssaGe, And believe Me, it is not a codE.
I guess that's fair... I don't really understand the necessity of it though, it seems like the slots could be spent on beefing up other parts of your build if you know you're going to do more damage in Nova anyways. If that's the case, why bother worrying about a human form attack chain? (I'm not being condescending or doubting you, I'm legitimately curious.)
I guess that's fair... I don't really understand the necessity of it though, it seems like the slots could be spent on beefing up other parts of your build if you know you're going to do more damage in Nova anyways. If that's the case, why bother worrying about a human form attack chain? (I'm not being condescending or doubting you, I'm legitimately curious.)
|
In these situations, it is very beneficial to have a workable attack chain. I also worked in the leadership powers to be able to act more like a controller in these scenarios and less like a dominator.
Where to now?
Check out all my guides and fiction pieces on my blog.
The MFing Warshade | The Last Rule of Tanking | The Got Dam Mastermind
Everything Dark Armor | The Softcap
don'T attempt to read tHis mEssaGe, And believe Me, it is not a codE.
The Inspiration Maker's Guide [i12] UPDATED with POPMENUS and Movement Binds!
A Flash in the Dark: The Electric/Ninjitsu Stalker [i23]
Kheldian Inspiration Macros UPDATED with POPMENUS and Movement Binds!
Guide to the Katana~Ninja Blade/Electric [i23]
? Human does more single target damage with orbiting death and reactive.
|
Also, I'm not a reactive person.
Where to now?
Check out all my guides and fiction pieces on my blog.
The MFing Warshade | The Last Rule of Tanking | The Got Dam Mastermind
Everything Dark Armor | The Softcap
don'T attempt to read tHis mEssaGe, And believe Me, it is not a codE.
I've also been afraid of posting my build because I'm pretty sure it sucks (and I don't mean that in the "Dark Armor Sucks" kind of sucks; it's just a terrible build).
|
For one thing, I don't have anywhere NEAR that kind of access to purple sets to be able to do that sort of thing. o.O;
Here's what I'm using for Ms Terry, my Tri-form WS. It has been battle-proven to be quite successful under a wide range of stress situations (including prevention of team wipes in TFs).
| Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1661;771;1542;HEX;| |78DA6594594F534114C7E7B6B72D2D2D2DB665297403D9DA526844E28B717DD1D08| |801F5C960692FA1060B6901D904A2C6180DA8891F429F4C5CBF8C5F41219A98B8D6| |33E73F941B7A939BDFDCFF5966E69C999B5DB9E81662FB8CD09A2ECCE52A95A91BB| |972653657301C13F9A251CA1B0DD94A6CD22897571D4288E88175EACACC8C51AA14| |978DF4B53BD3E5DCDCD4798A5E8CD4EC178D23F6734BE55CF3A5D2AC51364A8BE98| |3816B7C7E7E2E3DB16018050F0FB346A1982F960C2F7F8D19948B3216178E7E8B36| |5ACE28BDF769F978AA36B1430889D42E63F019F01C7841F08BA15784B05892511A4| |7097192066D6299240D92A6A508196101EE92C5AA2CD665CEA6AF311E92C586C985| |ADC32AD33C22C9A1244788E3574872AA782752BA80C76469145669D11B7F5B84880| |8F71FE02FA3E91F5065AC92BB47E5F60435B9823592BC2AB717497DC013B234ABC2| |349F26D8ADE2D8016FB34BE007A76DF909FCB2C8D2ACBB659D90D18F540160832C4| |1AE5A5504632C3D20A9554DD28AEA2750FD04AA9F40F553A87E0AD57F4A51ED2AAA| |7DCD221D86D6810D46E61EB0096C313629AA43F5AC63141BE9A25287D5F6C3495E5| |204D821EF28E6D0A37BBCC1D83EF00DF8CE889FB548F72D72EF422744575693D236| |493DAA393DA8406F922DBD19609743FB5E3222B4947ED59CFE38BB47494A2A29790| |A2B0E9396565A5A6931D28695368CE577EAB5632DF72EA531B364E539C775758A49| |D21018632F6E52F5B239C2CD1193243995E4FC6C911F4DBAE910632ACFA1A4DBD0D| |636B43584B686D0D64EB4D567761FC19E7445FB5BCE687FCD256B78C3F09A03DE71| |AA86F70CD70786EF2326FD049B5E3B92BAFF96906D3B9E03F24081D16730ECF5EE7| |D701F80FB00DC07E06E63770DEEB884715CC26E5CC26E5CC26E5C42DD9CDD6F9552| |67801109022D8C782BC371E82EFC28B8D52C55480A8871973CC12C556F9AC639D37| |8DA3476FA6ABFA4EA1757EDC725B441AEF657B3D4CFD29E59BAAEC96BB8EF32FDF1| |709F2DC0B0F9E054E911893A2553A78C98152CE4449DD355DA7946ADFC3F997BF4B| |6| |-------------------------------------------------------------------|
Ok, now you gone and scared the kids with all your fighting and yelling
It frightens your children when mommy Drechs and daddy microcosm fight lile this
By children i mean the thousands (well maybe tens) of us who lurk these boards and read your guides
I decided to make a warshade after watching one on a team be a jack of all trades and master of them all
But i struggled to enjoy one past level 12
Until i read drechs guide
That helped my my build that rocks
But it was an unruly beast to manage
Then i read microcosm's guide to macro and binds and cool stuff
Now it is much easier
Love the doublemire bind
Now there is no perfect build
But
I see drechs as the triform purist
Microcosm as the dual form / human max build
And ms terry as the team friendly build
I assume some else it the human only purist
But what this lurker wants to know is not what is the best form
But what form does what goal oriented task the best
Since we have 3 build slots
Then there are only 3 questions to ask
Which is the best soloing the AV ( or is that even possible)
Is 200 dps enough even with the 5 current incarnate powers
Side note - i have a strong feeling that the next 5 will male the above point moot
Which is the best farming build
Which is the best geam build
Laserblitz
"Kicking digital a$$ and taking "trademarked by NCsoft" names since 2007"
If you see a rainbow costume or named "Emcc" it is me
When I press Q, that bottom tray becomes tray 8 and has all four of my Nova powers.
When I press E, that bottom tray becomes tray 9 and has all five of my Dwarf powers.
Wow ... that's a build I would never want to have to live with
For one thing, I don't have anywhere NEAR that kind of access to purple sets to be able to do that sort of thing. o.O; |
Being able to Aid Self when there are no corpses around to Stygian makes a really big difference in being able to "Keep up with the Joneses" on teams, and in solo situations too.
|
There is no R in my name.
Now there is no perfect build
But I see Dechs as the triform purist Microcosm as the dual form / human max build And ms terry as the team friendly build I assume some else it the human only purist |
As for your questions about the best build in certain situations: You already answered this in the quote above. Nothing's perfect. I wouldn't want to play the "best" farming build, even if I wanted to farm, because it's not my build. It will play differently than my build. Each version does have its strengths, though.
True tri-forms are generally the best to exemplar with, because the lower level you go, the more the forms shift to "overpowered." No one has the powerful AoE attacks at level 6 that a Nova does. The other benefit to tri-forms is that they generally offer usefulness in the largest number of scenarios.
True Human forms tend to be the most like a Controller. This can allow for the most sturdy builds, as you can use things like Leadership and Weave to bring a build to the softcap. The damage will be lessened without Nova's AoEs and you don't have the Dwarf safety net. Without forms, all the human powers can receive a significant number of slots.
Dual Builds allow you to blend the benefits of the two. By taking one form away, there are more slots per power than a tri-form, allowing some finer specialization.
Where to now?
Check out all my guides and fiction pieces on my blog.
The MFing Warshade | The Last Rule of Tanking | The Got Dam Mastermind
Everything Dark Armor | The Softcap
don'T attempt to read tHis mEssaGe, And believe Me, it is not a codE.
One major difference between Dechs' build and mine is that I decided to go with the Medicine Pool on my WS, and the Leadership Pool on my PB. I simply found the synergy of Shadow Recall+Resuscitate+Stimulant, along with Aid Other and Aid Self, to be WAY TOO USEFUL on teams (and especially on TFs). I am quite honestly surprised with just how much mileage I routinely get out of the Medicine Pool on my WS ... both for myself and for others. Being able to Aid Self when there are no corpses around to Stygian makes a really big difference in being able to "Keep up with the Joneses" on teams, and in solo situations too.
|
Which is the best soloing the AV ( or is that even possible)
Is 200 dps enough even with the 5 current incarnate powers |
It's certainly true that multiple builds helps. I've got all 3 of my builds IO'd out just so I can max certain aspects for what I need.
Edit: Just checked, and (if they would just fix the stupid pet AI so they wouldn't get right next to the enemy) my non-optimized build could take out a pylon in no time. Easily 300 dps range.
The Inspiration Maker's Guide [i12] UPDATED with POPMENUS and Movement Binds!
A Flash in the Dark: The Electric/Ninjitsu Stalker [i23]
Kheldian Inspiration Macros UPDATED with POPMENUS and Movement Binds!
Guide to the Katana~Ninja Blade/Electric [i23]
(EDIT: Meh I found out just now that I pasted Dech's build here instead of mine, now it's corrected)
Heh, funny, I read your guide and I my planned build looks kinda like yours (some diff powers, I like to toggle Human with Gravity Shield on, I went the Stealth pool route because I needed somewhere to put LoTGs since I'm capped at 6.25% rech bonuses to put in the pets), at least they look like they are 'meant' for the same purposes since although I'm still on generic IOs I change forms like mad. No purples tho, except 3 pieces of Soulbound but I can get those
| Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1598;746;1492;HEX;| |78DA6594CB4E5351148677DB7D5A29BD5281722DA540A1A58546E344232A2406C44| |882C621167A9093D4826D41891A1034312A0E7480971770EEF541343A31FA025EE6| |5EEA3AEBDFB447DBA4F9DBEFACDB5EFD774F5F9DF008B139266CBEF17CB6549A3B9| |F2D9696B239DD35BB60E88505DD79CA582E2D192E214464EFD9DC99C545BD5032D6| |F4F4B94BF3C56C7EEE04E596BBABCF27F4FF9E1F5F2D6683938525BDA817CAE9BD0| |FEE99E5E57C7A7645D7731EFE38AD67578CC2C5207F992CAC192563DEC81BE575FF| |DEE39C4E2D8C1511A67932F4DEA2E9F1AA08F19CE1AA15856D427489354236856C4| |749A4435C21E650CC51E6CC5B843485B45DBB897AE9E02E20BB2BC951FBFE916DCA| |6950390D8750FA0EB1466E58918D3FB98EE717E4378BEF0FA4C2B24EE15E55C2DB4| |C697111A39E7E85FC4E8EBA4B5141202DF8CE6E1EABE93DCBFE8F900F2C2D5D3C57| |18728DB2426AFE903A798BD2B0D2EB14D38C7145F30E376BA1FEAD36F46F3547CA8| |87B14D5864AB26D8351FB26E4264BE716649BE53E8577A8F08E173C4BF72BC86BC8| |1B969E972C373CE6EC68D8D5E130D10EA1883A70E4139FADE70BE4334B748C678D8| |EB3648EB13CA0AC5ED5B717BB8F61F731EC3E86DDF761F79B14DEAF7EAAFE7EDEFD| |400492E4730C6458E2ED3CE606850FAA550DC2005E5A55524D9EC4AA7C84D20AA58| |1FC8446151A05EA94169F56E8257A9870F54AA2EEE9681DC9D4910375E4601D99B2| |92C3A605849896AAB1C91CBC991969B9339CD810A8DE98CA5969B17D8217F1D54D0| |9AA862DC5E8BB154DF15ABF59D12047FDA821BBED2137B73F82E0127A65F55E4A6D| |579865861EB3249E409EB2A49EB1F8A4E51A1F81C7FD35A669B0A31BCE73C3957DB| |063DF5B9661FCB681FA2C897009133B91E54456F4368FEB90D53B27429719C91AD2| |426AA4C0022735E92C8979343EC95BCA4CB2689C06778660E638CC1C87998760E62| |198D959EB224317B8DE089A8CA0FA488E2583962EEB9C51FCA9D557082078181552| |A89742A1BFBD5BF71E| |-------------------------------------------------------------------|
Wow, we went for some very similar build points, I like that build. Working on getting purples now, but I'm glad I saw this first. Gave me some really nice ideas. Out of Curiosity, why Expident Reinforcements over Call to Arms?
Murphys Military Law
#23. Teamwork is essential; it gives the enemy other people to shoot at.
#46. If you can't remember, the Claymore is pointed towards you.
#54. Killing for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Where to now?
Check out all my guides and fiction pieces on my blog.
The MFing Warshade | The Last Rule of Tanking | The Got Dam Mastermind
Everything Dark Armor | The Softcap
don'T attempt to read tHis mEssaGe, And believe Me, it is not a codE.
I've always been afraid to post my build for a variety of reasons, but none of those reasons include anything remotely close to "my build is too good to just give away." I've been afraid that posting my build will limit peoples' creativity with their own builds. I've been afraid that posting my build will cause people to believe mine is the "best" build just because I wrote a funny guide. I've also been afraid of posting my build because I'm pretty sure it sucks (and I don't mean that in the "Dark Armor Sucks" kind of sucks; it's just a terrible build).
I'm here to tell you, those fears ends today.
I've always wanted to do that.
No, this wasn't just an elaborate Rickroll. I just owed Joe one, so I hoped this would catch him. I really have posted the build and talked a lot about why I would not recommend it to anyone. It's all right here on my blog. For real this time. Mouseover the address and check if you don't trust me anymore (I know I wouldn't).
Where to now?
Check out all my guides and fiction pieces on my blog.
The MFing Warshade | The Last Rule of Tanking | The Got Dam Mastermind
Everything Dark Armor | The Softcap
don'T attempt to read tHis mEssaGe, And believe Me, it is not a codE.