Where CoH went wrong

Sounds awesome, I wonder what caused the devs to change their minds?

Well said!

This is the aspect that drives me batty...
CoH and the folks behind it absolutely blazed trails and I don't understand why they weren't more publicly applauded for it and why more people didn't come to the game because of it.
While I know, all too well, that the masses flock to conformity, there's still a large amount of people and gamers that love diversity and the things that CoH were doing. I just feel like enough of those people weren't being reached. It's hard enough to reach those people normally, but evil marketing research protocols make that even harder both if you follow those guidelines and (mostly) because the machinations in place obscure the playing field so much. Customers themselves embrace the categorization of marketing machinations and anything outside of those systems has become akin to outcasts in the dark fringes lost from society...

Ahem.

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As I said in the OP, it was up to each poster to decide whether they were expressing why they think the game failed or just things you love the game in spite of. It was partially a response to the statements of certain people "You think the game is perfect and anyone saying otherwise are haters", but also thought that a bit of honest "what wasn't great" would be a bit of a reality check on some of the "what you love" that did sometimes have somewhat rose colored glasses on.

Haha, unfortunately I understand such things were completely out of the realm of possibility.

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Indeed. I understand your reasons for the thread.
I'll just point to my posting history if anyone wants to suggest I thought the game was perfect, hehe.

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Yeah, its one of those things where you need money to make it, but you need to make one because you need money in the first place.

College degree

aint that life

That was, uhh... very... insightful.

No offense, but I don't buy that. Well, okay, for CoV, I get it, but not for GR. At that point everyone already knew that having a separate area and faction was bad for the playerbase. And GR came out -- what? -- five years after CoV? And by then the population had diminished to the point where it was obvious that further segregation would be a terrible idea. Going Rogue was simply a retread of all the mistakes made with CoV, albeit in a much more attractive package.

CoV also had the problem of not actually feeling villainous and making everyone a minion, thus putting the story on rails and straitjacketing player creativity... which is what we saw with GR, too. With the added weirdness that we got to choose a faction, yet that choice meant absolutely nothing. We still had to beat up our own kind to maintain the fiction-within-a-fiction that we were "undercover." Yet another dumb story element used to explain game mechanics.

The answer is simple, really



A single fan like you or I (or anyone else in this forum) can see what CoH did and appreciate the risks they took making them, even with the large missteps along the way

While the MMO industry and MMO playerbase will just see the end result. Something that either failed, or never met their expectations.

Strangely enough I have seen adverts on the Quest channel for World of Tanks and a couple of other online games.

These are not big budget adverts... nor do they have the largest viewing audience, but at least they are out there.

Haha, I just was watching that movie last night (first time I watched it in a while) and that particular quote (the actual one) stood out and has continued to repeat itself in my head all day today...
This is a little weird, Vyver... and stop making it seem like I am following you!

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Sure, because nothing to the contrary ever happens.

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From some of the comments the devs have made regarding Masterminds I always got the feeling that if they were doing Masterminds over again they wouldn't do them .

it's not creepy


we just like the same awesome things

because were awesome

It's OK, 10100000... the mean pony person doesn't mean it.

*glares* Stop scaring my robots!

That would preclude politics. There have been times when management shifts have changed business direction and successful areas have been shut down.

1. Sometimes it's a change in business focus. (they'd branched out too far and are getting back to their "core" philosophies)
2. Sometimes it's because the new guy in charged disliked the idea of that business.
3. Sometimes it's because it was the previous manager's pet project and the new guy disliked them.
4. Sometimes, even though it's successful, it's more work to keep it there then they feel is worth the effort.
5. Sometimes they want a new shiney that "might" make them more money.

I'm sure there are other reasons I'm not thinking of at the moment. We've been told it was something along the lines of my first point.

Originally Posted by PapaSlade Rangle's right....this is fun.

Technically, this would be called a realignment of company focus.

Ok. That works for me.

Originally Posted by PapaSlade Rangle's right....this is fun.

Don't mistake greatness with successfulness.

A good example is VHS vs Beta Max. Beta Max was better. VHS got all the business (porn industry being supported by VHS but not Beta Max, helped in that regard).

Advertising is another.

Subject matter is another. I know plenty of MMO players, who are more than willing to go around in armor (skimpy or not) wielding a sword, playing spellcasters, but the idea of running around as a superhero (with or without spandex) is just stupid to them.

I think with the recent successes of superhero movies, this could change for a MMO, but CoH suffers from being old and unknown. The others have their own failings going for them.

Remember when Megas XLR was a popular show with good ratings, but was canceled because the brand-new CEO of CN "didn't get it".


thats a thing that happened

I don't think GR split the player base. It gave people a new zone to get ATs that werent available to the other side from the start. Tip missions did the same, and I found most prefered to just go the GR route.

But after GR, making the new tutorial, that turned Praetoria into a ghost town, and thusly GR looked like a waste of time. If the new tutorial had happened a couple of years down the road, that probably wouldn't have been the case.

Yeah I remember that show and heard that is the reason it got canceled.

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