If Matt Miller makes another MMO wishlist

With only 1 good idea out of 6, I don't think you'd make a suitable developer for a Paragon game

Hey I guess that is what they wish for.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

Art style is subjective. I really don't care for what people kept telling me was the best graphics with Elder Scrolls.

Bit of grind. Obviously helps keeps many games more likable through out the regions and not just America's "OMG! I have to beable to level to max level in two weeks and then ***** about lack of content" You know, like we saw in CoH with people complaing the same day of new contents release that they had done everything, so now what do they do?

Superhero game. If you can't build to be the level of Spider-Man, Spider-Girl, ect to solo AVS, it's not a superhero game. Unless you like prefer playing Power Pack level.

And putting IOs, Auction House as game lore was lame. Oh! Look I picked up an inspiration! It's game lore Laaaaaame. Saying badges was in lore too was stupid.

Some things should be left purely as out of character game mechanics versus in character story telling.

I don't know why people think I am hating.

Most of what I post is in the form of basic observations and enumeration of incidents involving the developers and their behavior.

Admittedly the titan identifying folk seem to live off of misconstruing things.

Case in point,I provide examples of the most hateful person ever on earth was not uniform or consistent in his hatred, so you can hardly expect less hateful people to show greater consistency or hatred, becomes "So you are calling the titans Nazis"

I'm curious as to what you mean by "not evolving" The storyline kept getting added to (whether we liked where it was going or not).

What exactly is evolving? New types of missions? Changing the game mechanics constantly? Changing powerset numbers all the time so people didn't flock to them? Making more resistant to a specific type of damage enemies, so people would say "I avoid them because they resist my damage to much" or tougher enemies so people could just not run the content, you know, like how most people avoided Rularuu because they were tougher and not as easy to beat as those Council enemies?

I meant the issues and what they brought. The game is great and I like it. I played it a ton. However, the direction of most issues was rather weak. The content was very repetitive. The storylines were weak and took forever (Coming Storm that never came; numerous issues for the Praetorians).

Allow me to expand a touch here. In a year we saw maybe 3-4 issues. It was a poor idea to see stories that took forever to develop.

A lot of content was underwhelming. It was starting to lose the superhero feel here and there. Lots of content made it seem more like D&D than a superhero game. I know superhero genre is very blended but there was a lot of stuff that made me think it was more D&D-ish than anything...

Each issue had story arcs that were not that great. We needed to see more epic arcs with costumed supers that didn't appear everywhere else.

Repetitive. Too much stuff used over and over.

Please keep in mind these are not major complaints but things that I did not care for. I would like to see a fresh take.

And my heart is breaking over it.

Originally Posted by Nethergoat it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!

With the exception of #3/4 in regards to the PVP clique, I think Paragon exceeded your qualifications admirably. Though you are correct that in those same regards, those people did leave.

• I never once felt that I was being treated badly as a customer playing City of Heroes.
• I never felt (post-Jack, anyway... King of the Nerfs) that any characters had been invalidated by a change made, and the last few issues saw MAJOR improvements to under-performing powers, powersets and ATs. I only wish it had gone on long enough to see how Energy Melee would be rekindled when it was time to be ported to Scrappers.
• An argument could be made for PVP, but I never saw the developers showing disrespect to any part of the game (Note: Lighthouse was not a developer). And other than pretty much giving up on PVP after the i13 fiasco and the feature rollback about 2 weeks after the AE launched, I've seen pretty much nothing but forward momentum from the team ever since Jack left.
• There were no fundamental changes to any major areas of the game other than PVP--possibly the AE, but that was within a couple weeks of its release. Base builders who were NOT building bases intended for raids were given greater freedom, not less. People that did not want to participate in the Invention system were not required to do so; the same enhancements that the game launched with can be used just as effectively today.
• My needs as a player were always met. I got to be a super hero. Actually, I got to be a LOT of super heroes. And I'd be perfectly happy making and playing heroes and villains of all shapes and sizes and abilities for a long while to come, even without further development. Consider me a very satisfied customer.

Originally Posted by Nethergoat it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!

We will hate them until the end of time, and beyond - because even when this universe is no more, the power of our hate will still remain, and become the spark that fires the next universe into existence - and then every atom of that new universe will be born of our hatred of NCsoft, and exist only because of that hatred, and be filled with it, so that all of existence is bathed in the eternal force of our undying hate for NCsoft.

Or we might just decide to avoid purchasing anymore of their products in the future, based on their poor record of MMO closures and the way they handle them.

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As long as that cue is "never, ever make anything remotely like the shameless fanservice softcore of Blade & Soul, even with a Sharpie on the back of an envelope on your lunch hour," then I wholeheartedly agree.

And as you say, art is entirely subjective, so YMMV (and clearly, it does!).

I'm curious as to this poor record of closing MMOs. You mean the MMOs that just flat out failed miserably?

You mean those MMOs people point at (including you...but not everyone doing the pointing) didn't even bother to play anyways?

You mean how NCSoft closed down MMOs, but Sony has closed down at least two MMOs I can mention to RL friends and they at least knew of them (Matrix Online and SW Galaxies). Mention Exteel, TR, DR, hell for some of them even CoH, and they're "Never heard of them".

Now, I'm not saying don't go ahead with not purchasing anymore NCSoft products. They closed your favorite MMO! But don't try to use the record of lack luster games as the reason for it. You didn't care when those games where closed down by NCSoft untill they closed down CoH. Before the closing of CoH, you were thankful for NCSoft and where more than willing to support them, at least in the "YAY NCSoft!" sense, if not in the actual playing of their other games

And some of the posts saying "BOYCOTT!" are coming from posters who are the types going "What? There were other MMOs? CoH is and will be the only MMO for me."

So, hell, you'd be saying it even if CoH was down to you and 799 other players.

I love CoH! See my forum reg date? I've been playing it sense end of DEC 2004, beginning of Jan 2005, when I saw the box at Wal Mart and was all O.O OOooooo!!! My account lapsed once in all that time, for all of one or two weeks as I waited for my paycheck. I stayed after being banned for three days and they didn't reimburse my three days of paid time.

I have no idea why NCSoft decided to close it. I don't like that they did. But if I was going to boycott NCSoft, it wouldn't be because they closed down a few other MMOs that were failures. And yes, they were failures! They flopped!

At least own up to it. You're boycotting NCSoft because they shut down the MMO you played, not because of their track record, or you would of started boycotting them long ago.

Do I need the fanservice? No. Do I like the art style? Yes. But then I liked the art style from CoH too. I like the art style from WoW. I like the art style in Forsaken World.

By cue, I meant put in a bit of an asian flare. I'd hope for a good mix of a western meets asian style. I think that would give the game more of a mass appeal to all regions.

You see the artwork and think that's the game. You see the fan videos and think that's the game.

What you never bothered to look at (by the sounds of it anyways) is they have outfits that cover up the whole body.

And if I kept to the superhero genre, it would be the player who decides the outfit, as I'd keep the costume customization too. Sooo...any revealing outfits would be because of the player. Just like in CoH where you saw it all the time.

Or if you meant the body type? Well, you really havent bothered to look into the games and see you can make characters who aren't barbies!

That wouldn't be a real superhero game if it was mixed in with that sutff.

I was just making a bit of a joke (rather obviously, I thought), but please don't presume to tell me what I have and haven't looked into. I have in fact taken a look at the majority of Blade & Soul information available in the West, including dozens of videos, including character creation and gameplay. I "bothered" to look at plenty, thanks.

I stand by my characterizations of Blade & Soul (here and elsewhere). I particularly stand by my description of the female character models, some of the costume options, and animations as absurdly hypersexualized. Some of the female walking animations would embarrass a stripper. I suspect someone's already worked up a tutorial on how to configure the controls to play with one hand...

Hey to each their own...but let's not try to pretend this game is something it's not, m'kay?

And what is it? To this player it looked like a fun MMO with things people asked for here. Like grappling. Throws.

Hypersexualized? Yes. But again, nothing I didnt see in CoH (and I saw less a lot more in CoH than I've seen in Aion or B&S)

I didn't realize that Warren Ellis run on Gen13 with it's manga influnece art became non superhero because of his art!

Some of the combat looked interesting to me, too. I'd prefer a much more realistic martial arts game, but for something in the fantasy context, the over-the-top, arcade style stuff makes sense.

Seriously? That makes me wonder if we played the same game, frankly. Nothing in CoH even comes close to B&S's level of hypersexuality, as I see it. But this takes us back you your earlier comment about subjectivity. It's an "eye of the beholder" thing.

I should point out that I'm doing my best to assess Blade & Soul without letting my unhappiness with NCSoft color my perception. I'm probably failing in that to some degree. I think I'd still be somewhat aghast at how the female characters are in B&S if the whole CoH closure had never happened...but I'm fallible.

As someone who agrees with not wanting a game that looks like B&S, this is just a damn stupid thing to say. There are both plenty of skanky-looking boobtacular superheroes (of which I do not personally approve) in Western comics, and Asian-centric superheroes that are pretty friggin' awesome.

There's no reason a spiritual successor to CoH couldn't have more and better Asian customization options than the game we're playing now. ... I just don't particularly want to play a game where those are the only options.



I'm sure I don't have to tell you that this is why people get annoyed by your posts, though. Not everything has to be just one thing or the other; it's good to mix ideas from many sources and take the parts that work best in the medium. It doesn't have to be all black or all white... an Oreo wouldn't be nearly as awesome if the experience didn't consist of both the cookie and the cream.

Originally Posted by Nethergoat it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!

I played on Virtue. Went to the D often enough. Every day I logged in, I saw at least one bikini and heels character (okay, maybe they wore a coat too).

B&S does have higher graphics (it is newer after all) so that could likely be a factor in someone thinking of it more in B&S. Myself, I see the intent of the outfit.

And mind you, this isn't me encouraging people here to play B&S. I know I'm going to try out the game. But even before the CoH closure, I didn't expect many players here on the forums to check it out. Even less so after it's closure.

But I do see B&S having a lot of things asked for by the players here. Greater customization being one of them. Individual fingers being another.

Can make a character without being hyper sexualized. Will everyone do it? No. But I think the amount that do that will be the same amount who do it here (percentage wise anyways). It's either, you will or you won't.

I dont know. I've seen plenty of half dressed characters running around in COX, many with the usual cat ears and tails. This wasa rated teen game and seen many characters push that limit with some costumes where it seems some people's kids play. With all the big boobs here in this game and ERP and etc, B&S is no worse, nor better in that regards. I mean ever since Desdemona came out and been plastered over plenty if COX artwork with her buttcheeks hanging out. Not sure how that is family wholesome.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

Really, my idea of a mixing of western and asian styles was int he style of art itself. While no, not wanting it as cartoony as Teen Titans animated series, that would be an example of mixing asian and western styles.

But really, just need an artistic style that can appease both sides (and it can be done). For artwork for the game, Id stick with the same thing you see in superhero comics now. *shrug* The point is a superhero game.

Hell, there's superhero comics that go realistic looking. So it's not like that's not a possible style for a superhero mmo. I jsut wouldnt care for the art style (hated it when Gary Frank did that in Gen13...think that's the artist who did it).

I wouldnt mind seeing this style in a superhero game myself. We have a american comic book style game (CO). An american styled game that tried to take it self too serious but still ended up fun when ya dont take it serious(COX), how about one that mixed both Asian style and western style? That would be cool. IMO of course. not trying to convince anyone else.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!