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Posted on: 2012-11-06 19:36 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Starsman
While googling up some information I found this interesting article, click image to go through:
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Originally Posted by Xieveral
I think the difference is that sexuality wasn't the driving force in CoH's promotional material, save for Sister Psyche and her tacky nipple pasty tights everything was the typical image of heroes and villains. You knew what the game was about, heroes doing hero things and villains doing villain things.
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| Blade & Soul, I'm not sure what's going on. There are curvy bunny girls in clothing several sizes too small that carry weapons that weigh more than they do... and some mouse children that throw magic cats at things or something. There's a male there but who the hell cares, am I right? What is the "soul" part of Blade & Soul? I see blades, they don't seem to be much more than an accessory. |
| And CoH does not have lemonboob. Anti-gravity melonboob maybe? Lemon definitely isn't the shape though. |
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Originally Posted by savagedeacon_NA
Honestly if that guy don't like the game because the way the women are portraied...well let us say that not everyone likes apples
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| Now last time I took on HTK, I got many, many comments along the lines of OMG ITS JUST THE STYLE WTF U DONT KNOW WHAT UR TALKING ABOUT or U R JUST JEALOUS HTK IS MORE AWSUM THAN U!!!1!eleventy1!! And, yes, Im aware that HTK is not illustrating using a North American style. However, theres a huge difference between even vanilla anime style and the distorted freak-shows that HTK creates. |
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Originally Posted by Feycat
I'm pretty sure GW2 is going to be able to float for quite a long time on their cash shop. Same way Paragon was doing just fine selling people powersets and costume sets without box sales or a sub.
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Honestly take the time to watch the first video I posted to witness the shear number of sliders and options the game has to tweak a character.
Looking at the patch notes they have a freaking thigh and calf length slider. You can adjust the size of the Iris as well as selecting various ones. You can change the length of the fingers. A whole face makeup section, eyes and lips. They have a skin shininess slider (I guess if you want them "oiled up"). However the neatest set up sliders allow you to age the face, wrinkles and skin shrinking.
Of course there's cloth, hair and breast physics.
However with all these options, you can go very, very wrong if you want to.
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Originally Posted by Starsman
You missed the point big time. Sure in the blog (if you read it) he does mention a bit on the sexualization, but it's mostly about proportions. I wont put words on the guy's mouth but basically he is talking about the artist in charge of the design, not about the game in general. Here is a quote from the blog:
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About wundergeek In addition to being a cranky feminist blogger, I am an artist, photographer, and somewhat half-***** writer living in the wilds of Canada with a wonderful spouse and two slightly broken cats. |
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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Huzzah! I got internet back early! In time time ridicule this game. Three strikes are going forward with this game.
1) Fighting game players are already insulted that NcSoft is banking on brand recognition from Soul Blade (The original name of the Soul Calibur series in the EU and US.) That, alone, is pretty underhanded marketing. A member of my gaming group, who is a fighting game fanatic, actually thought it was Namco's MMO. When we educated him otherwise he did a complete 180.
2) The game is highly insulting to female players. In my group there are about ten of us and not one of us will be picking up this game for its depiction of women. Hell, some of the guys in our group described it as, "Oh, look NcSoft made a Hentai MMO. Finally, a dark closet game." When it came to being serious they stated they wouldn't play because they wouldn't want to be caught playing it.
3) NcSoft is "trying" to get away from the M for Mature rating on the game, but it just won't happen. It's a fighting game, it does have bloody splatter, and the "physics" can be adjusted to horrendous proportions. Being able to turn off the blood won't help the cause. The game is destined for an M rating.
Add all three of these factor together with the fact that its a PvP grindfest game unsupported even in its home market and you have a game destined for failure. I think the lack of support in its launch territory alone should make people leery as it stands. This game will sink very, very fast. Want more proof? My group consists of about 32 people who will test play any MMO that comes out. Until I started talking about the game only a handful even knew it was coming out. When most found out it was NcSoft the uniform reaction was not those I listed above, those comments came later. No, my group's reaction was this, "Oh, a new game that will be shut down. No Thanks."
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Originally Posted by Rangle M. Down
From the bottom of that blog:
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Originally Posted by Starsman
Does not invalidate the entire post.
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Never said it did.
You're references to the blogger used the terms "he" and "guy". Unless I'm missing something, the note at bottom points to the blogger in questions as being a she. That's all I was trying to point out.
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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Originally Posted by LadyGrimrose
NcSoft is "trying" to get away from the M for Mature rating on the game, but it just won't happen. It's a fighting game, it does have bloody splatter, and the "physics" can be adjusted to horrendous proportions. Being able to turn off the blood won't help the cause. The game is destined for an M rating. |
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Originally Posted by Rangle M. Down
Never said it did.
You're references to the blogger used the terms "he" and "guy". Unless I'm missing something, the note at bottom points to the blogger in questions as being a she. That's all I was trying to point out. |
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Originally Posted by Starsman
Ah ok my bad. I thought you meant to say that the "feminist" bit proved the entire thing was pure bias.
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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Those aren't breasts by the way. The main plot of that game seems to involve ninja zeppelins stabbing young women from behind
I agree, it's going to be M. There was a rumor that the game was going to be censored for the NA market and NCSoft released a PR saying no way as it would upset the artistic vision of it's character concept designer. Let's see where did I see that ... here.
And if you don't want to soil your browser history, this was posted Sept 20th.
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This is an exciting time for us as we can now use our official website, Twitter feed, and Facebook page to share information and provide status updates on the development of Blade & Soul® for Western audiences. We will use these platforms as a way to not only distribute official assets and information, but to directly address community concerns. With that in mind, we wanted to take a moment to shed some light on rumors that NCSOFT® West is censoring the content of Blade & Soul. As you know, Blade & Soul features a rich, beautiful world inspired by the artistic style of Hyung-Tae Kim, an internationally renowned artist we consider ourselves fortunate to be working with. Hyung-Tae Kim brings with him a very recognizable and risqué anime style that, combined with the game's deep storyline and modern martial arts style combat, delivers a game experience like no other. Due to ESRB guidelines, however, our marketing material must abide by a different set of considerations than the final product. This is why Blade & Soul's rating is listed as "pending." It is NCSOFT West's intention to accurately depict the game in its original, unaltered form, with only minor adjustments for gameplay considerations. In short: We are not planning to censor or alter the actual in-game content you have come to expect from an artist such as Hyung-Tae Kim and a studio such as Team Bloodlust. Rest assured that we love Blade & Soul as much as you do, and any modifications to the marketing material are not indicative of our plans for the final content. We appreciate your concern, and we hope that we've helped set your minds at ease. We're very excited about bringing Blade & Soul to Western audiences, and we intend to do our best to deliver the game you want to play. -- Blade & Soul Team, NCSOFT West |
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Originally Posted by LadyGrimrose
Huzzah! I got internet back early! In time time ridicule this game. Three strikes are going forward with this game.
1) Fighting game players are already insulted that NcSoft is banking on brand recognition from Soul Blade (The original name of the Soul Calibur series in the EU and US.) That, alone, is pretty underhanded marketing. A member of my gaming group, who is a fighting game fanatic, actually thought it was Namco's MMO. When we educated him otherwise he did a complete 180. 2) The game is highly insulting to female players. In my group there are about ten of us and not one of us will be picking up this game for its depiction of women. Hell, some of the guys in our group described it as, "Oh, look NcSoft made a Hentai MMO. Finally, a dark closet game." When it came to being serious they stated they wouldn't play because they wouldn't want to be caught playing it. 3) NcSoft is "trying" to get away from the M for Mature rating on the game, but it just won't happen. It's a fighting game, it does have bloody splatter, and the "physics" can be adjusted to horrendous proportions. Being able to turn off the blood won't help the cause. The game is destined for an M rating. Add all three of these factor together with the fact that its a PvP grindfest game unsupported even in its home market and you have a game destined for failure. I think the lack of support in its launch territory alone should make people leery as it stands. This game will sink very, very fast. Want more proof? My group consists of about 32 people who will test play any MMO that comes out. Until I started talking about the game only a handful even knew it was coming out. When most found out it was NcSoft the uniform reaction was not those I listed above, those comments came later. No, my group's reaction was this, "Oh, a new game that will be shut down. No Thanks." |
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That's so full of corporate speak... "marketing material"... almost sound like they plan to "censor" only box art, posters and ads.
Also does sound like Hyung-Tae Kim has a bit of a grip on them... he IS a rather famous guy. I remember when I used to work at a hobby shop, we would keep his art books near the adult section for a reson.
Given his fame I would not be shocked if he has contractual clauses about zero censorship.
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Originally Posted by Starsman
While googling up some information I found this interesting article, click image to go through:
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Originally Posted by Father Xmas
I agree, it's going to be M. There was a rumor that the game was going to be censored for the NA market and NCSoft released a PR saying no way as it would upset the artistic vision of it's character concept designer. Let's see where did I see that ... here.
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Originally Posted by Ogi
Loathing of NCSoft aside, "this will end well". A few posts up I was going to give them some benefit of doubt but when they admit to having to cheat the ESRB, there's a lot less doubt. Especially if there are four sliders just for breasts.
Actually, I'd be more ok (still not buying it or any NCSoft product) with it if they'd just market it as an H game. Cheesing the rating system just makes it even more sleezy. |
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Originally Posted by Father Xmas
upset the artistic vision of it's character concept designer.
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Originally Posted by Ogi
Loathing of NCSoft aside, "this will end well". A few posts up I was going to give them some benefit of doubt but when they admit to having to cheat the ESRB, there's a lot less doubt. Especially if there are four sliders just for breasts.
Actually, I'd be more ok (still not buying it or any NCSoft product) with it if they'd just market it as an H game. Cheesing the rating system just makes it even more sleezy. |
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
NCSoft is quite vulnerable on the whole Boobs and Shame front - it's a good angle of attack to hurt them.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Sister Psyche, Ghost Widow, Desdemona, and even some of the popular poster's avatars are more well endowed than the posted artwork.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Okay...what does having four sliders for breasts have to do with anything? o.O
CO basically has 4 with "breasts, body mass, chest width, chest depth" all that have an effect on the avatars breasts. This also allows you to go flat to *facepalm* depending on the player (much like CoH with it's one slider). And you focus on that, but don't mention all the other body sliders that lets you do so much? |
| Actually it looks like they have three or four sliders devoted to breasts. Size, spacing horizontally, location vertically and angle pointing apart (?!). Someone spent way too much time creating this. |