FREEDOM Really Hard Way: 17 Nov 2012

Saturday November 17. 7:00PM EST. Will do more runs as needed.

EDIT: I incorrectly labeled the PbAoE proc. It is Fury of the Gladiator, Chance for Res Debuff, not Armageddon. My bad!

OK Folks, lets go out in style. I wanna take out Tyrant in less than 3 minutes one more time!!!!

To do this like I usually do requires a very prickish set of standards. So I'm gonna give a list of prerequisites. FYI I'm not saying that my way is the be all end all. I am saying that it works, it's efficient, and it GUARANTEES a 3 minute tyrant fight. So it might involve some respeccing of your character. Which given the state of the game shouldn't be that big of a deal long term.

That said, 24 slots. Certain AT's cannot over saturate the trial. So I will post what I need, and it becomes first come first served. If enough want in but can't get in I will reserve them for subsequent runs.

The following is MANDATORY. And by mandatory, you must have it, you must tell me you have it, and if you don't have it, you won't be added. If you have it and don't tell me you have it you won't be added. If you will be working towards some of these things that's ok. I will still add you. But make sure you meet these criteria before the trial date, otherwise I will drop you.


MUST BE:
lvl 53.
Barrier Core, Rebirth Radial or Ageless
6 ULTIMATE Inspirations (just in case team implodes)
2 of the first 3 leadership powers (Assault and Tactics preferred)
T4 Drones or Seers.

The following is recommended. While not mandatory, I need to know if you have it or do not have it.
Hybrid Assault or Support.
Call to Justice (hero temp power)



Achilles Heel Or Fury of the Gladiator: Chance for res debuff (for those with defense debuff/AoE powers)


So the ideal reply to this thread would give me all the info I need to plot it for the badge. It would look something like this:

I'd like to join
Das Bones @Yat Man
lvl 53 Fire/Rad Troller
Assualt/Manuevers/Tactics
T4 Drones Core
T4 Rebirth Radial
T4 Assault Core
6 Ultimate Inspirations
Achilles Heel Slotted

People always ask me 3 things:
Does leadership matter that much? Yes. Especially Tactics. Pets are -1 level. they need that tohit.
Achilles doesn't stack why use it: Because it has a better debuff effect in a single casting that 8 rad trollers. so if you have 4 going off constantly, it creates a lot of coverage. Coupled with Fury of the Gladiator's proc and a tanks bruising, that's a 60% unresistable debuff.
Are you gonna be nekkid? Damn straight.

Below will be the team list, as well as the AT's the trial still needs.
I know its a lot to ask for, but its a tried and true formula. My teams built like this have finished the entire trial while getting the Really Hard Way in 9 minutes. We regularly got the RHW badge with 1 casting of ultimate inspiration. So yeah, I can be kinda an ahole, but I don't like to waste my time or yours. And with so little time left, who else would want to? Hope to see you all there.

Need: (I need all your above info before you are added to the team)



1-2 trollers/doms
3-4 Kins
3 Corruptors
2 Tanks
1-2 Damage dealers

Rads WILL have Achilles Heel proc slotted in Radiation Infection. Those with damage auras are recommended to have Fury proc slotted.

1. Das Bones @Yat Man (53 Fire/Rad)
2. Sooner Spirit @Sooner (53 Dark/Dark Scrap)
3. FMD @ Tenebrous (53 Kat/Will Scrapper)
4. Raelith @StorymVyxen (53 Plant/Fire Dom)
5. DebuffCHOCK @Akimbo Master(53 Rad/Sonic Def)
6. Rad Scataloni (53 Rad/Rad Def)
7. Enyalios (53 Ice/Kin Corr)
8. +1 Corr
9. White Succubus @Snow Globe (53 Ill/Emp Troller)
10. Dr Gemini @Dr Gemini (53 Emp)
11. Radical Burner@tidbit (53 Fire/rad)
12. Pion Wave @Soliton Wave (53 Grav/Rad troller)
13. Black Librarian@Polar Snow (53 Psi/Nrg blast)
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.
21.
22.
23.
24.

Does EVERYONE have to have Leadership? Or just a certain percentage? Likewise - how much of everything else is acceptable?

For example,

Cyberman 8 @atlantea
lvl 53 Martial Arts/Super Reflexes Scrapper
T4 Judgement Vorpal Core Final Judgement
T3 Reactive Total Core Conversion
T3 Warworks Total Core Improved Ally
T3 Barrier Partial Core Invocation
T1 Melee Genome
4 Ultimate Inspirations (Can get more by Nov 17th)
Call To Justice

Kara Skye @atlantea
Assualt/Manuevers/Tactics/Vengeance
lvl 53 Gravity Control/Kinetics Controller
T3 Rebirth Partial Radial Invocation
T3 Polar Lights Partial Core Improved Ally
T3 Gravitic Partial Core Conversion
T2 Void Radial Judgement
4 Ultimate Inspirations (same as above)
Call to Justice

I would transfer over for this
Sooner Spirit @Sooner
53 Dark/Dark scrapper
Will respec into assault and tactics by then
T4 longbow Core EDIT - OOops... I missed the requirement for drones or seers. I can switch to seers
T4 Rebirth Radial
T4 Assault Core
18 Ultimate Inspirations
No on Achilles heel or call to justice

Read my stories!

Question: I thought Longbow Core was the primary choice for Lore pets on RHW runs, since they do crazy amounts of -Regen along with their decent damage?

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Originally Posted by Nethergoat it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!

I'd like to join. I would transfer over for this.

FMD @Tenebrous
lvl 53 Katana/Willpower Scrapper
Assault/Manuevers
T4 Seers Core and Radial
T4 Rebirth Radial
T4 Assault Core and Radial
7 Ultimate Inspirations
Achilles Heel Slotted

I can respec out of Assault/Manuevers and into Assault/Tactics if needed.
Call to Justice is also be attainable if needed.


Thanks

Note: Due to a name conflict on Freedom, I am known as "FMD2" on Freedom. I also now have Call to Justice

I, too, would transfer over for this since this the last one that my badger needs for completion.

Raelith @StormVyxen
53 Plant/Fire Dom
T4 Seers
T4 Rebirth Radial
T4 Hybrid Assault Core (I'd have to double check this one later to be sure)
Don't have Assault/Tactics currently, this is a matter of a quick respec to add them in and would be done before the run.
Achilles Heel - no. Armageddon proc - yes. I do have the former stored if need be as well.
Ultimates - have well over 6 available.

Ok, first off, I'm not a fan of the "a-hole" type recruitment methods. However, if you are going to be an a-hole, you need to be spot on with the reasons in which you support what you are telling people to bring.

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Originally Posted by Yat Man I prefer Drones because they do -regen as well, and they do excellent ST energy damage. Longbow Core does smashing/lethal damage, which Tyrant resists so it's not as effective.

Tyrant has 100% regeneration debuff resistance (capped at 100%, but even if you could lower this, it'd start at 167%). I don't know why people still worry about -regen at all during Tyrant because it has not, nor will ever matter with him.

While using the drones on Tyrant is a choice that can be defended, -regen is not a good defense of it in this case. (range & dmg type work though).

Sorry, this just happens to have touched on a pet peeve of mine.

Best of luck on the trial.

Ok first off, I said that I am an ahole when it comes to trial teams. I'm the guy who picks and chooses who goes on trial because frankly, there are griefers, there are idiots, and there are people who just don't care. I got tired of failing Mo Lam cause people used temps. I got tired of failing Keyes cause people couldn't avoid the green beam. I got tired of Failing MO UG cause people ran ahead and set of bombs. So I started forming my own trials. I apologized and said that I know its a strict criteria. But say what you want. It gets results. I have ran this trial over a dozen times using that criteria. And EVERY time I followed it, the Tyrant fight lasts less than 5 minutes. With everyone getting the RHW badge. So if don't like it all you want. You don't have to like it. you can join and follow or not. I won't lose any sleep at all. But if you think it's too strict, form your own and do better.

The drones do the 3rd Most ST damage overall. I don't have my charts anymore since I reformatted my HD, but the only ones who do more damage are Cim's and Warworks. The first does Smashing/lethal, which Tyrant resists by (IIRC) 80%. Energy is only resisted 20%. Seers are good because Tyrant has no Psi resist. But Drones do the most ST Energy damage out of lore pets, so I go with them.

Honestly, i don't have to be super specific for 3 reasons. #1. most people on freedom who have run MO trials with me have run them knowing that I usually set criteria that is non-negotiable.

2) I'll have to explain the game plan again before the trial anyway. For people who fill spots and for everyone else, so we are all on the same page.

3) If you have been playing this game enough to want to attempt this, and can meet the criteria just to do the trial, I assume you are smart enough to know why I am doing it like this. If you need more explanation, honestly it makes me weary of taking you along. it's like broadcasting a MO TF, having someone join, then ask 'what's an MO TF?'

Also, you can overcome Tyrants -regen. I refute everyone's opinion on every server that you can't. My runs are proof that you can. It takes Drones, Rads and Reactive, but it can be done. So people can spout that whole +167 all they want. My trial league, full of drones, 3-4 rads and procs, bring him to his knees with only 1 use of an ultimate inspiration. That's why I build teams for this MO trial around 4 principles. Overcome Resist, Overcome Regen, Buff Damage, and Buff To-hit. If you do these 4 things, the trial is cake. Unfortunately, it does take a specific team build to do that. That's why I usually run multiple runs.

And one more thing. My way isn't the be all end all to do it. I join MO Magi runs all the time. Most aren't successful, but I don't question the person running it. cause they are running it, not me. If you have a problem with the way someone is running it, just don't join. If you think you can do better, make your own.

And now I am off my soapbox....

1) When you go to other servers and post stuff like this and you are questioned on something saying "#1. most people on freedom who have run MO trials with me have run them knowing that I usually set criteria that is non-negotiable." is not a proper defense.

2) You do understand what 100% means, right? Let me spell it out just in case. 1 - 100% = 0 (because 100% of 1 is 1) 500 - 100% = 0 7,000,000 - 100% = 0. 100% of any number is that total number, no matter how high the number goes. That means if you want to debuff regen you have to lower his resistance first, not simply throwing a larger amount of -regen at that 100%. Saying you've succeeded before is not a valid way to refute that. Instead show real proof please.

"A true hero has the strength to stand against evil
without wavering where all others despair,
even if it means standing alone." - Kragothe Valour

I just love it when people get on soapboxes. I laugh even harder when they continue to spout drivel on said soapboxes.

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Originally Posted by Yat Man Ok first off, I said that I am an ahole when it comes to trial teams. I'm the guy who picks and chooses who goes on trial because frankly, there are griefers, there are idiots, and there are people who just don't care.

There are also know-it-all-leaders, and one's that haven't done all their homework on the tasks. Or are those covered under idiots?

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Originally Posted by Yat Man So I started forming my own trials. I apologized and said that I know its a strict criteria. But say what you want. It gets results. I have ran this trial over a dozen times using that criteria. And EVERY time I followed it, the Tyrant fight lasts less than 5 minutes. With everyone getting the RHW badge.

This says MUCH more about the quality of players on the trial than it does about your leadership or strategy. Any good leader would know and acknowledge that. So you can get over yourself.

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Originally Posted by Yat Man Honestly, i don't have to be super specific for 3 reasons. #1. most people on freedom who have run MO trials with me have run them knowing that I usually set criteria that is non-negotiable.

Yet you post across a bunch of server forums to people who don't know of your 'reputation'. Non-negotiable criteria? Play with many people that aren't of the 'Yes-sir' mindset? Extreme arrogance. I've got news for you. You aren't all that. You're not the best leader. Don't kid yourself. Your trials may be wildly successful, but it's because of the players, not you.

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Originally Posted by Yat Man Also, you can overcome Tyrants -regen. I refute everyone's opinion on every server that you can't. My runs are proof that you can. It takes Drones, Rads and Reactive, but it can be done. So people can spout that whole +167 all they want.

Never said you couldn't overcome his regen. If that was impossible the trial wouldn't be able to be completed.

What I did say, and others have alluded to is that you can't debuff his regeneration rate. 100% debuff resistance for regeneration means that it can't be manipulated. At all. End of story. So any debuff the drones bring is worthless on Tyrant. You can talk about me spouting my numbers all you want, but the fact is that you're wrong on this.

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Originally Posted by Yat Man My trial league, full of drones, 3-4 rads and procs, bring him to his knees with only 1 use of an ultimate inspiration. That's why I build teams for this MO trial around 4 principles. Overcome Resist, Overcome Regen, Buff Damage, and Buff To-hit. If you do these 4 things, the trial is cake. Unfortunately, it does take a specific team build to do that. That's why I usually run multiple runs.

Yep, still all about you. Do you make people kiss your rings too before you queue up?

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Originally Posted by Yat Man And one more thing. My way isn't the be all end all to do it. I join MO Magi runs all the time. Most aren't successful, but I don't question the person running it. cause they are running it, not me. If you have a problem with the way someone is running it, just don't join. If you think you can do better, make your own.

Maybe if you did more questioning you'd know exactly how the debuffs you talk about won't and don't work. Just because the trial is successful doesn't prove this part of your theory.

Well, at this point I'm sure you'll have another snarky post, because frankly that seems like what you'd do.

And I'd look forward to it, but frankly I don't care anymore.

Have a nice day!

I was on Yat's first " The Really Hard Way " run and we nailed it. His league, his rules and it worked awesome.

My rad is still slotted for this and if you have room for another rad sign me up

Rad Scataloni - Rad/Rad Def

Yatmans RHW runs are epic and something not to miss....period.

While I (edit: wouldn't lead this way), you are hosting the trial so your rules.

So I will accept your offer:

White Succubus
Level 53 Illusion/Emp Controller
T4 Destiny choice of Barrier Core, Rebirth Core, Clarion Core, or Ageless Radial
6 ULTIMATE Inspirations
Currently with Maneuvers, but I'll get at least one more of the other 2 leadership powers
T4 Seers Core, Polar Lights Core, or Cimeroran Core.
T4 Interface choice: Diamagnetic Radial, Reactive Radial, Cognitive Radial, Degenerative Radial.
T4 Hybrid: Control Core, Support Core, or Assault Core.
Call to Justice (hero temp power)

I don't have Achilles Heel.

Triumph: White Succubus: 50 Ill/Emp/PF Snow Globe: 50 Ice/FF/Ice Strobe: 50 PB Shi Otomi: 50 Ninja/Ninjistu/GW Stalker My other characters

Yat,

I think you know I have a wide variety of toons who could be useful to you. I was on our very first successful run on Freedom and again and again (including the run for Turg).

I will bring any toon you want or need for this.

In case you've forgotten I have:

Ice/Kin Cor 50+3 still slotted from our last run so I assume compliant

Bane 50+3 with stacked leadership and built for max toxic damage and -res

Sonic/Rad Cor 50+3 with all leadership powers

And many more toons who could be useful.

My wife would be happy to bring a toon as well I'm sure (and she was in on plenty of successful runs with her Kin Cor) so save 2 spots for us.

I want to make sure Snow Globe gets the badge.

For anyone who thinks Yat is being obnoxious, well sometimes on freedom to get things done you have to be obnoxious. Of course that won't we a problem in like 6 weeks, right?

Yay! I got the badge on -Triumph-. But I'll bring something else around the same power level to help out.

Triumph: White Succubus: 50 Ill/Emp/PF Snow Globe: 50 Ice/FF/Ice Strobe: 50 PB Shi Otomi: 50 Ninja/Ninjistu/GW Stalker My other characters

Will add You two as soon as I get home. And will add your wife too Enyailos.

Congrats on a successful run Snow Globe! I know you've been at it for months and I'm glad Triumph got it.

I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. But its like you said. My trial my rules. I have joined countless tries and do it the way the leader wants to. some succeed, some fail. But I wouldn't go abotu trying to pick apart a person's strategy. And honestly, I don't think the prerequisites I picked are that strict. Everyone playing these trials should have at least a Barrier or Rebirth Destiny. Ultimates are easy to come by. Lore pets are tougher with the game the way it is, which is why I posted this for a month in advance. I didn't make Hybrid mandatory. I didn't even go into Interface, cause if the team is built to standard, it won't matter. And I don't think I can think of a single build that would be nerfed if it had to include 2 leadership pools.

Also, I have about 4 Achilles Heels, so will be handing them out if needed. If fury's were cheaper, I'd grab some of those as well.

I agree, your requirements aren't out of line for what you want to do. White's build is fairly tight and if I bring her, I'll have to drop one or two powers to do the leadership pool. I'll check a couple of my other 50s, as they might be better suited to this. On the other hand, if I don't have anything better suited, I'll bring White to help others get the badge.

As to the Achilles, I don't think White could have slotted it.

Triumph: White Succubus: 50 Ill/Emp/PF Snow Globe: 50 Ice/FF/Ice Strobe: 50 PB Shi Otomi: 50 Ninja/Ninjistu/GW Stalker My other characters

I believe I could make an effort to join up for this and help out. You know I have a variety of good stuff.

For now I'll put forth my Emp and you'll have to let me know if you need something else.

Dr Gemini @Dr Gemini
Empathy/Dark Defender
Assault/Maneuvers/Tactics/Vengeance
T4 Seers and T4 Polar Lights
T4 Clarion, Incandescence, and Rebirth
T4 Reactive or Cognitive (adds some Psi DoT)
T4 Support

I will make sure to acquire Ultimate inspirations before the trial.

Other character options I would offer up as options if you need them and are all built within specs closest to what you want (as in I wouldn't need much other prep than to adjust a couple things)

Emerald Scale
Ninja/Time Mastermind
Assault/Maneuvers/Tactics/Vengeance
T4 Nemesis (can build Seers)
T4 Clarion, Incandescence, Rebirth
T4 Reactive, Intuition, Agility
T4 Support Hybrid
Will obtain Achilles Heel for the slots that will take them

Those are the 2 characters immediately ready. I have Dark/Dark Troller, Elec/Kin troller, Plant/Nature, and Ice/Cold controller for other buff/debuff sets if you need any of those.

I'd like to contribute:

Radical Burner/@tidbit
Fire/Rad Controller
Assault/Maneuvers
T4 Seers
T4 Ageless
T4 Assault
Achilles Heel
Call to Justice

I'd like to join

Pion Wave @Soliton Wave
lvl 53 Grav/Rad Troller
Manuevers/Tactics/Veng
T4 Seers Core
T3 Rebirth Partial Radial/T4 Clarion Radial
T3 Support Total Radial
6 Ultimate Inspirations
Achilles Heel Slotted
Call To Justice