More Avengers Deleted Scenes
Here's a few more deleted scenes that will be included in the bluray of The Avengers Movie.
Steve Rogers - Man out of Time Alternate opening - Maria Hill interrogation Loki and Barton strategize |
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All good scenes. Whedon is really solid. Even his discarded stuff is quality.
I'm glad the Maria Hill one got rejected. It's unnecessary and is a direct riff of one of Bendis' best moments. The Loki one is kind of meh, as well.
However, the one with Cap is pure gold. There's also a still in the excellent book The Art of the Avengers that shows SHIELD chiseling Cap out of the ice. (In the video review on that page you can kind of see it at :33.) Makes me curious what that was all about.
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The Steve Rogers scene was great. But I can see why it didn't fit with the pacing of the rest of the movie.
The Hill scene - dumb.
The Loki scene - clarifies his motivation, but no great loss.
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Actually, it'd be great if the Cap scene could get used in the CA sequel.
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I liked the Maria Hill bit as it could give direction for upcoming movies... But also no great loss.
My favorite bit was in the Cap piece where you see Stave Rogers drawing. It would be nice to get a glimpse of that in the movie...
But overall, I think all the deleted scenes I have seen so far were just basically too slow for the film.
Personally I'd have to say I only really see the Captain America scene adding much to the film. I felt like his backstory was a little too vague if you didn't see his film (I did, to be clear). It sorta just felt like he left his old life behind very quickly, with only minimal issues. The other scenes ... mehh, not a fan.
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I don't know much about films, but I wonder how many of these deleted scenes were left on the editing floor and how many were more character exercises for the actors/directors/crew.
My girlfriend directs plays and one thing she does is have her actors act out a scene not in the play to help the actors shape their character's backstory and motivation. For example, in one play about a relationship's last day, she had them roleplay the day they met and some dates. She finds it helps both the actors and the director.
I can totally see the Cap'n scene serving this role. Though yes, that's a lot of production money thrown at throwaway scenes.
The Cap scene should have been left in, certainly! I especially like that the waitress who hits on him is the same one who sees that he saved her life, it explains WHY she looked at him so closely near the end. "Hey, I know that guy! He's the one who was asking about free radio... and he JUST SAVED MY LIFE! Forget Iron Man, HE'S a hero!"
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I don't know much about films, but I wonder how many of these deleted scenes were left on the editing floor and how many were more character exercises for the actors/directors/crew.
My girlfriend directs plays and one thing she does is have her actors act out a scene not in the play to help the actors shape their character's backstory and motivation. For example, in one play about a relationship's last day, she had them roleplay the day they met and some dates. She finds it helps both the actors and the director. I can totally see the Cap'n scene serving this role. Though yes, that's a lot of production money thrown at throwaway scenes. |
Maybe we'll see the cap scene in a possible director's cut.
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Maybe we'll see the cap scene in a possible director's cut.
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Or they can integrate it into Cap 2. I did like how he saw Peggy was still alive and thought about calling her.
Can't say as I blame him for not calling her, she might think it was a prank or else keel over from shock. Also what could Steve possibly say? "Sorry I was frozen for 70 years?"
If he makes contact with Peggy in Cap 2 it should be him going to the UK to see her in person. She should also be in her 90's so he should move fast to see her.
I would say the problem with the Loki scene is Hawkeye seems to much "himself" for someone who is being mind controlled.
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I would say the problem with the Loki scene is Hawkeye seems to much "himself" for someone who is being mind controlled.
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If you're mind-controlling someone for their expertise in something, wiping out what makes them an individual will wipe out a lot of that expertise too.
If a scientist (for example) only does what he is told to do, he is useless unless the person giving orders is just as proficient as he is.
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Eh, it makes sense though.
If you're mind-controlling someone for their expertise in something, wiping out what makes them an individual will wipe out a lot of that expertise too. If a scientist (for example) only does what he is told to do, he is useless unless the person giving orders is just as proficient as he is. |
i.e. would Hawkeye propose taking someone's eye under normal circumstances?
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But how do you get around "eh what am I doing that for?". Alignment is part of your personality. You would either have to override personality, wiping out expertise, or be using some sort of hypnosis to fool the person. In which case you would have to step very carefully to avoid breaking the control.
i.e. would Hawkeye propose taking someone's eye under normal circumstances? |
As such, if Loki said "Get me in there by any means necessary", Hawkeye would take the guy's eye if it were the only way to gain access.
Also, remember that this version of Hawkeye (and all the Avengers for that matter) is based on the Ultimate Universe version of him. He was an assassin in that version, and taking someone's eyeball isn't much of a stretch for someone accustomed to killing people without necessarily even knowing why.
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I saw Loki's gizmo as more causing the person affected by it to become fanatically loyal to him rather than actually mind-controlling them.
As such, if Loki said "Get me in there by any means necessary", Hawkeye would take the guy's eye if it were the only way to gain access. Also, remember that this version of Hawkeye (and all the Avengers for that matter) is based on the Ultimate Universe version of him. He was an assassin in that version, and taking someone's eyeball isn't much of a stretch for someone accustomed to killing people without necessarily even knowing why. |
Although one quibble: this isn't the Ultimate Thor or Loki. Or Hulk, for that matter. I actually think this Hulk is a mash-up of the Bixby TV series version with the classic comic book one.
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Possibly.
Or they can integrate it into Cap 2. I did like how he saw Peggy was still alive and thought about calling her. Can't say as I blame him for not calling her, she might think it was a prank or else keel over from shock. Also what could Steve possibly say? "Sorry I was frozen for 70 years?" If he makes contact with Peggy in Cap 2 it should be him going to the UK to see her in person. She should also be in her 90's so he should move fast to see her. |
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Very true.
Although one quibble: this isn't the Ultimate Thor or Loki. Or Hulk, for that matter. I actually think this Hulk is a mash-up of the Bixby TV series version with the classic comic book one. |
Hulk didn't really change much between the original Marvel Universe and the Ultimate universe. The major difference was in people's reactions to his rampages.
The original universe was like: "Oh, the Hulk's breaking stuff again, get the clean up crew ready."
The Ultimate universe was like: "Put that thing down before it does more damage!"
The Ultimate universe had a much more realistic response to a giant, green, uncontrollable monster wreaking havoc wherever he happened to be.
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Ultimate Hulk was a lot darker and far more disturbed than either 616 or Bixby Hulk. I mean, he ate people, including Abomination. I definitely get more Bixby than Ultimate in this version.
I think they took a couple of trivial aspects of the Ultimate Thor -- there's no alter-ego and he's a Science-based character rather than a Magic one -- and sort of folded those into the Straczynski version of Thor. Stylistically, Thor looks and speaks just like the Straczynski-Copiel version, and his character arc is that of the classic 616 origin. Of course, the Ultimate Loki kind of throws the "science" part of it into question, since there's plenty of evidence these guys are actually supernatural in nature. All in all, though, I don't get much of an Ultimate vibe from Thor.
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The movies don't seem "Ultimate" to me at all, thank god. Iron Man and Captain America especially stuck close to the original stories. Thor probably would have too if his "skinny blonde guy becomes big blonde guy" origin wasn't similar to Cap's.
Samuel L. Jackson is Nick Fury, that's about it.
The movies don't seem "Ultimate" to me at all, thank god. Iron Man and Captain America especially stuck close to the original stories. Thor probably would have too if his "skinny blonde guy becomes big blonde guy" origin wasn't similar to Cap's.
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Here's a few more deleted scenes that will be included in the bluray of The Avengers Movie.
Steve Rogers - Man out of Time
Alternate opening - Maria Hill interrogation
Loki and Barton strategize
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