Upcomming changes to procs

I haven't had a chance to hop into beta yet, but curious to know how these new changes are going to affect procs from sets. I read that they are changing them to x amount of times the proc can hit within a minute...so this is good or bad for procs? Appears to be a nerf, but could just be my lack of understanding on how procs work.

Right now, procs have a chance (say, 10%) of going off any time the power they're slotted in is successfully used. As of issue 24, they'll go off a certain number of times per minute (say, 6 PPM) instead.

Ultimately, whether a proc is better or worse with this change is a matter of where the proc is slotted, mostly because of recharge. Generally speaking, it's going to make slotting a proc in long-recharge powers much more attractive (because the proc will be guaranteed or almost guaranteed to fire every time you activate the power) and in short-recharge powers somewhat less attractive, which is sort of the reverse of the way it works now (where the best way to maximize the percentage-based chance of a proc firing is to use the power it's slotted in over and over in rapid succession).

Also, there's info on Procs Per Minute on the Wiki. Lots of math, but it's information worth knowing.

If you're VIP just go to the beta section, where there's a whole feedback thread you can read through that's slightly more up to date than the one that Synapse started months ago to announce the changes that also explained the planned changes in detail.

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Excellent, thanks! Sounds like I'm gonna have to buy a lot of those

Anyone know what the math is going to be for proc in AOEs? And can you explain it? Last I checked that was somewhat cloudy.

Related question: is anyone aware of how the PPM changes affect rain and other psuedopet powers?

Rain of Fire/Freezing Rain/Ice Storm/etc

Lightning Storm/Tornado/etc

I haven't been able to find the answer anywhere. Thanks!

They still get a chance to proc once every 10 seconds, according to this post, and they calculate their proc chance using that 10-second period as the cycle time.

Yeah, that's 18% per enemy, compared to the 10% it has on live. But that proc chance might be lower, if the power is slotted more heavily for recharge.

Whether any given proc or power is better off under the i24 system really depends heavily on what AoE (and sometimes, what proc) you're talking about. Small and/or slow AoEs do pretty well; large and/or fast AoEs are worse off.

Thanks for all the feedback, Hope. I'm now much more optimistic about these changes.

What happens if I put a Proc in a toggle, say, Gaussian's in Tactics?

I believe this is working right, ment to post yesterday:

http://ppm.coh-perc.com/

oh dur da dur -- Next time I'll actually look at the numbers! heh

So toggles are just a 10sec cycle? I've actually been meaning to look for how they are done for the ppm stuffs

"Fast" refers to recharge + cast, not just cast time. Fireball activates quickly, but it has a 16-second recharge, which is not especially fast.

The Ragnarok proc, on beta, is 3.5 PPM. Fireball has a modified areafactor of 2.6875, same as Foot Stomp, since they're both 15-foot 360-degree AoEs. 1s cast, 16s base recharge.

For various amounts of recharge slotting, the Ragnarok proc would have the following proc chance:
@33%: 3.5*(1+16/1.33)/(60*2.6875) = 28%
@60%: 3.5*(1+16/1.6)/(60*2.6875) = 24%
@95%: 3.5*(1+16/1.95)/(60*2.6875) = 20%
@130%: 3.5*(1+16/2.3)/(60*2.6875) = 17%

So, you'll be slightly worse off than the current 20% if you have a recharge alpha, and slightly better off if it's not slotted heavily, but not a big change either way.

It's the really large, really fast AoEs, like control set AoE immobilizes, that are the worst off.

So, with a damage proc like... Malice of the Corruptor's Recharge/Chance for Negative Damage, on my Water/Nature character:

If I slot it in Whirpool, it will have the chance to go off twice, once when cast, and then ten seconds in, and then that's it because it has a 15 second duration (according to Mids, may just be for the -def though.) Is this a chance to go off for all in the whirlpool, or just one?

Would it be better if I slotted it in an AoE power like Water Burst or Steam Spray, or more consistent in a longer recharging single target power like Water Jet?