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If you have more than +100% recharge in Rage (slotting + global), it will recharge in under 120 seconds and stack at least part of the time. If you have +300% recharge in Rage, it will be doubled all the time.|
Originally Posted by Aggelakis
Because I am stupid and apparently can't math to save my life, how much recharge does it take to perma double stack rage?
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As somebody who's given up on playing SS because I think the crash is too annoying, I'd personally love to see the crash go away (or be less severe), but I'm not sure how many players agree.
I think adjusting Rage to give a smaller buff to non-Smashing damage would be worth considering, so that the set doesn't get SO much advantage from Gloom/Burn/damage auras/etc. SS by itself is not incredible as a set, it's the way Rage boosts out-of-set attacks that gets really broken, so that's the prime target for any potential fix. IMO.
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Not to be snarky Bill but...please, where does that comment come into it given Drain Psy and Seeds of Confusion? There is NO way in hell those powers are balanced, given the amount of info I have seen people give on them, and yet..years later..here they are, still the same. |
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Honestly? I tend to think, given the proliferation of IOs (and yes, I'm speaking from a "I push SOs!" perspective as well, here) that the -def is no longer really "unfair" just to one set. (I'd argue about it being "unfair" overall - you have something that pushes you that far, you pay for it and learn to manage it.)
If the devs felt it was overpowered, I think something would have been done in the last eight years  If people don't like the crash, etc. then... well, fine. Put in a second power where you *have* to pick - Rage or (essentially) build up. But... No cost = less benefit. |
Just cause the devs leave something unchanged, NOW, does not mean I cant think and say that something is OP. And again, is NOT a reason to discount balancing it.
Back to the Crash. It is totally unfair to defence based sets. How can it not be? Discounting the super duper IOd toon (which as the devs say..the game is not balanced on...if its not, then we cant claim a power is out cause IOs can mitigate it) it is impossible to say an SR brute wont feel it more than a Fire armour.
To Agge...my SS/shield brute with about 60% rech and Rage slotted for..55? recharge, I can stack it I use Ageless. So..I assume you could do it even easier if the power was rech maxed out.
Also, I dont stack it on my brute..I did not even try building to that. And I STILL think Rage is too good, with just one hit. Oh, and that the Crash is much worse being a defence set!
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That is what I was waiting to hear. Well said Hopeling. Maybe it isnt an incredible set, but even discounting rage buffing out of set attacks, it is STILL damn good I think. Again, with just ONE stack of rage! 80! 80% damage, a 10 secs crash. Too good, in my opinion.|
Originally Posted by Hopeling
As somebody who's given up on playing SS because I think the crash is too annoying, I'd personally love to see the crash go away (or be less severe), but I'm not sure how many players agree.
I think adjusting Rage to give a smaller buff to non-Smashing damage would be worth considering, so that the set doesn't get SO much advantage from Gloom/Burn/damage auras/etc. SS by itself is not incredible as a set, it's the way Rage boosts out-of-set attacks that gets really broken, so that's the prime target for any potential fix. IMO. |
I like your idea of a lower buff vs other damage types Hope.
I hate the crash in Rage. I hate anything that forces me to stop playing the game for 10 seconds and sit there twiddling my thumbs. Any change they made that removed the damage crash I would be in favour of.
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Thanks. I knew it was seconds-from-perma with 3 SOs but couldn't wrap my head around the math to get it to double for some reason. If it's +300%, then going for perma-double means getting perma-hasten in the process so that's a consistent +70% that I couldn't figure out how to handle for some reason. Even with a napkin!|
Originally Posted by Hopeling
If you have +300% recharge in Rage, it will be doubled all the time.
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I find myself rarely using rage, even on my SS/Fire farmer, due to the crash.
If they would increase the recharge time to prevent double stacking, and remove the crash - I would be fine with that change.
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Originally Posted by MisterD
Not to be snarky Bill but...please, where does that comment come into it given Drain Psy and Seeds of Confusion? There is NO way in hell those powers are balanced, given the amount of info I have seen people give on them, and yet..years later..here they are, still the same. !
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Seeds, unlike (say) mass confusion, causes aggro when it wears off. *shrug* Seems like a decent tradeoff for getting it earlier.
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| Back to the Crash. It is totally unfair to defence based sets. How can it not be? |
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Mitigation for the majority of that crash... even without something like Shield Charge, Oppressive Gloom, Chilling Embrace, Spring Attack (do it in place!) or the like.
And really, I've got to say it again... you need to pay attention to what it's doing. It doesn't just suddenly crash, it does give you warning. And that's part of what I like about it.
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You're not forced to stop playing.|
Originally Posted by Kiken
I hate the crash in Rage. I hate anything that forces me to stop playing the game for 10 seconds and sit there twiddling my thumbs. Any change they made that removed the damage crash I would be in favour of.
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- You can taunt.
- You can use vet attacks. These are unaffected.
- You can use Incarnate attacks. These are unaffected last I checked.
- You can use temp powers.
- You can heal up if need be.
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Did everyone miss this little nugget of information?|
Originally Posted by Kiken
I hate the crash in Rage. I hate anything that forces me to stop playing the game for 10 seconds and sit there twiddling my thumbs. Any change they made that removed the damage crash I would be in favour of.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tpqT...6&feature=plcp from 25:52
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This is blatantly untrue. There are a lot of long term things that get fixed all the time. It just needs a catalyst for them to touch it, like proliferation.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
If the devs felt it was overpowered, I think something would have been done in the last eight years
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If people don't like the crash, etc. then... well, fine. Put in a second power where you *have* to pick - Rage or (essentially) build up. But... No cost = less benefit. Yes, you can use them... however, you're missing one thing. You can't enhance them to increase your odds of hitting. If you're sitting there whiffing at -9999% damage, Sands isn't doing much good. (And I always seem to find myself using Nem or BW against Rikti drones. I might use it earlier, but the miss with those is *really* noticable at that point, since I'm usually taking energy blasts to the face!) |
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Mess with YOUR super strength. Yours huh? Not the games, or the devs? Or ours? Just yours?
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They need to rename this game to MEQuest!
Yeah...that's the ticket...
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In order to balance SS with every other melee sets I believe that Rage should work as hasten:
1- No more stack casting again replace last cast so perma 80% damage buff
2- No more crash to compensate the no more stacking buff
Then set is more balance and need no more set up.
Hope that change for next episod. Its not because we love that broken lign that it means it shouldn't be fix !
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That does not matter around here. Some people have been actively trying to get SS nerfed for the entire six years I have been here. Based on the fact that the set has been review more than a few times by the devs and their comments about SS, they are not changing it anytime in the foreseeable future. |
Originally Posted by _Klaw_
They already tweaked the set so that brutes could keep aggro during the crash they obviuously don't feel the set needs balancing.
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Them saying that does not stop forum nerf herders from trolling the topic up again from time to time.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Like the "All the "good names" are gone! NAME PURGE!" screamers.
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
Them saying that does not stop forum nerf herders from trolling the topic up again from time to time.
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They're going to do that aren't they sigh.
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Is that double stacked name-rage? >.>
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Like the "All the "good names" are gone! NAME PURGE!" screamers.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Is that double stacked name-rage? >.>
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Go back to AE Darth. Seriously. Nerf herders? When the thread is clearly..adjusting? Just cause you are too silly to see anything that doesnt make things BETTER as a nerf. And not..you know..balance. Adjusting, fixing. To bring of DP and SoC again..would they getting changed, in a downward direction, be a balance, or a nerf? (Im sure I read they admitted dp was OP). It is rather amusing since your forum sig mentions forum balance..for all, yet you cant SEE some people see it as a fix.|
Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
That does not matter around here. Some people have been actively trying to get SS nerfed for the entire six years I have been here. Based on the fact that the set has been review more than a few times by the devs and their comments about SS, they are not changing it anytime in the foreseeable future.
Them saying that does not stop forum nerf herders from trolling the topic up again from time to time. |
I don't care if people are arguing that SS does not need a fix/adjustment, whatever. That is there opinion. Like Bill, he makes some good points about it. But when people offer decent suggestion on ways to balance something, and you just cry Nerf Herding..Just say you don't think it needs balancing. Is that so hard?
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Work arounds. That assume I have enough Vet rewards to have attacks. Or am level 50. Or VIP. None of which negate the fact that I am effectively locked out of doing what I want to do for 10 seconds. Which is hit people with my SS attacks. I hate the damage crash. I have always hated the damage crash. I will always hate the damage crash. It's one of the very few things in the game I do actively hate.
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
You're not forced to stop playing.
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However, it turned out that Smith was not a time-travelling Terminator
Speaking as an SS newbie, how does double stacking Rage work? I assumed that would give you a perma damage boost at the cost of a small def debuff.
Is it so bad that it cripples you if it drops in mid-battle? Wow...and I was told SS is godly on brutes.
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Rage does three things when it crashes: -def, -end, and -damage.|
Originally Posted by Rufus T Fyrfly
Speaking as an SS newbie, how does double stacking Rage work? I assumed that would give you a perma damage boost at the cost of a small def debuff.
Is it so bad that it cripples you if it drops in mid-battle? Wow...and I was told SS is godly on brutes. |
The defense debuff is pretty nasty (-20%, unresistable), but that part of the crash just plain doesn't happen if you can get Rage to overlap at all, even if only by a few seconds. That means getting Rage's recharge under 120 seconds, which isn't terribly difficult even on SOs (via Hasten, Quickness, etc).
The endurance crash is more problematic, because it isn't prevented by stacking. But losing 25 endurance every minute or two is manageable.
The part that's annoying is the -9990% damage crash, which is also not prevented by stacking. It floors your damage for 10 seconds every 1-2 minutes, which is a significant fraction of your time. Throwing a KO Blow for 15 damage is, IMO, frustrating.
To be honest, I wouldn't mind SS getting looked at. As it stands now, I'm seriously thinking about dropping a few of the first-tier punch attacks for the Fighting pool, just because they're AT LEAST about the same, if not a little better once Rage boosts them.
Also, I never notice the end crash, but... my brute is SS/Elec, so... 
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Originally Posted by Kiken
Work arounds. That assume I have enough Vet rewards to have attacks. Or am level 50. Or VIP. None of which negate the fact that I am effectively locked out of doing what I want to do for 10 seconds. Which is hit people with my SS attacks. I hate the damage crash. I have always hated the damage crash. I will always hate the damage crash. It's one of the very few things in the game I do actively hate.
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Taunting is not a workaround. It's one of your powers.
Healing is not a workaround, it's usually one of your primary powers.
And NO. You are NOT "locked out". That assumes that you can't continue attacking. Note, your Tier 1 attack still generates the debuff even if only doing a point of damage at a time.
And yeah, you hate the crash. Nobody LIKES having their big, beefy damage numbers mitigated. But it's 10 seconds. Learn to cope.
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Well...it's just me, but I don't even notice a rage crash when it happens with my t-4 cardiac.
I can understand playing and wanting a little less of this, or a little more of that.
But, I've taken pains to get cardiac instead of agility because I want to be sure I keep my endurance with 3/4 end. (or pretty close to it)
So, if there is a change to it, I want more than a free respec, I want to be able to change my cardiac to agility for a token fee or number of shards/astrals/emps.
But, wouldn't it be better to just not use rage, if the crash is problematic?
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If the devs felt it was overpowered, I think something would have been done in the last eight years
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