Scrapper vs Brutes.
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4c3Player,
Posted on: 2012-07-28 19:01 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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If you have Linux/Redhat/Sun/Mac/Unix/DOS/Windows or a home made OS you cooked up in your garage, they can all be changed, some more easily than others in fact. Windows is notorious for being exploited because it is most common. If you knew much about OS software, you'd know windows is typically more secure from a system standpoint than all the others in terms of pirating and altering. The downfall is typically too much redundancy in the systems that cause conflicts. Linux/Redhat/Unix and many others actually encourage people to alter the OS to their preferences and leave out much of the redundancy because of it...so editing OS code is not uncommon.|
Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
Who says I have Windows? And maybe the operating system has been modified maybe not. And if that is the case then why is it paranoid to think that maybe the code on that site might have been modified? And you all want me to install it on my computer? Interesting. Like I said, I felt this COH was ok. I might be wrong as all hell. But with Herostats, I dont feel it's right and I might be just as all wrong about that too. But in what logic does it make any sense to do something you dont feel right about? How many programs do you download that dont look right to you? Funny not a single person answered that but I suspect not many people just randomly go around downloading programs they either dont know anything about, or programs they dont think they should be downloading.
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If you have a bad feeling about it, then don't download it.
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I think that the difference between opinions and facts is being confused here. How safe you want to be with your personal information and computer safety is an opinion. Whether or not a specific program is safe is a fact.
Someone being unable to determine if a fact is true or not true it's completely understandable, but ignoring people explaining the facts is rude and ignorant. It's essentially calling people liars.
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I never called anyone a liar. All I said was that I, me, wasnt comfortable with the site and the stuff on there and I, me, do not download anything that I'm not comfortable with. That is my choice I believe. Maybe the site is safe maybe it aint but like I said multiple times, I'm not comfortable with it. I think it's a bit rude to try to force people to do something they are not comfortable doing even if you say it is safe. Anyone can say something is safe but really I dont know you or anyone else here anymore than I know the dude sitting on his front porch somewhere in Utah saying that his special tea he made is safe.
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Originally Posted by Garent
I think that the difference between opinions and facts is being confused here. How safe you want to be with your personal information and computer safety is an opinion. Whether or not a specific program is safe is a fact.
Someone being unable to determine if a fact is true or not true it's completely understandable, but ignoring people explaining the facts is rude and ignorant. It's essentially calling people liars. |
-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard.  Never change, E_L! |
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You don't intend to, but it's what you're doing. You're on a forum asking for advice, and when people tell you that a program is safe, you don't believe them because they aren't trustworthy enough for you, and you're very flagrant about this fact.|
Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
I never called anyone a liar. Anyone can say something is safe but really I dont know you or anyone else here anymore than I know the dude sitting on his front porch somewhere in Utah saying that his special tea he made is safe.
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There's also an issue of tone. If you had said "I'm sure you guys are right, but I don't download programs unless I completely understand everything about it, including how it works and who made it. I'll look in to it more and see if any people I know use it so I can ask them about it, then we'll see if it will work for me." then I'm sure people would have been much more understanding. Instead every time someone tries to explain that the program is safe you argue about how it MIGHT not be safe, which is insulting to them and confrontational.
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The only advise I asked about was Scrapper vs brute. The ncrits came up, so I learned how to get info to to this post on what goes on in game. that was accomplished. The someone brought up herostats. Ok, I went to check it out, didnt like what I see and oh hell, then it all went from there with the paranoia stuff and insults directed at me from me simply stating I didnt feel safe nor comfortable downloading it because I dont download anything unless I completey understand it which is very reasonable as I doubt anyone download programs that they dont understand. And really just because we are online I assume they suppose to be trustworthy in regards to programs I'm confortable downloading? I dont know them and they dont know me. They point the site out I checked it out and wasnt comfortable with it. Not sure how that is a big deal. When have I tried to force some program down your throat that you did not want to download for what ever reason? Not a single time. I just want that same respect. And you expect me to beleive these people, the very same ones calling me paranoid, obtuse, and other names, are a trustworthy source?
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Originally Posted by Garent
You don't intend to, but it's what you're doing. You're on a forum asking for advice, and when people tell you that a program is safe, you don't believe them because they aren't trustworthy enough for you, and you're very flagrant about this fact.
There's also an issue of tone. If you had said "I'm sure you guys are right, but I don't download programs unless I completely understand everything about it, including how it works and who made it. I'll look in to it more and see if any people I know use it so I can ask them about it, then we'll see if it will work for me." then I'm sure people would have been much more understanding. Instead every time someone tries to explain that the program is safe you argue about how it MIGHT not be safe, which is insulting to them and confrontational. |
-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
No, it means 19% downloaded it and didn't think it was good enough to recommend, while 81% downloaded it and thought it was good enough to recommend. There is no % of people not downloading it because they didn't download it.
You're basically calling everyone who says the site is good a liar. I don't care if you download it one bit, but you're saying that no matter how many people say its good, how many reputable companies endorse it, or how little chance there is of you getting a virus, you still won't do it not because you don't want the service, but because you either:
A: think everyone is out to get you to download this and harm your computer
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B: don't want to because it will reveal that you aren't a special snowflake with horrible luck.
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Read a book on it once... The Hot Zone. Was pretty gruesome, but a good read nonetheless.
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Originally Posted by planet_J
That was actually the original point of reference for the comparison actually...nice catch
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If you dont care then why continue to try to force it down my throat. I aint call anyoen a liar. All I said was tha tI wasnt going to download it, I dont feel right downloading it, I dont feel it's safe for me to download, I dont feel comfortable downloading it and those reason should suffice. And the answer is A. but think what you want. I tell you, end this harassment and strong arm tactics. If you dont care leave it alone. |
Originally Posted by Mad Grim
No, it means 19% downloaded it and didn't think it was good enough to recommend, while 81% downloaded it and thought it was good enough to recommend. There is no % of people not downloading it because they didn't download it.
You're basically calling everyone who says the site is good a liar. I don't care if you download it one bit, but you're saying that no matter how many people say its good, how many reputable companies endorse it, or how little chance there is of you getting a virus, you still won't do it not because you don't want the service, but because you either: A: think everyone is out to get you to download this and harm your computer or B: don't want to because it will reveal that you aren't a special snowflake with horrible luck. |
I'm not downloading and dont care if my reason is not good enough for you.
-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
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Not everyone who suggested the program has said those things.
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Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
And you expect me to beleive these people, the very same ones calling me paranoid, obtuse, and other names, are a trustworthy source?
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not talking about everyone just the ones that have been.|
Originally Posted by Garent
Not everyone who suggested the program has said those things.
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Seems like most understand my decision and left it alone, regardless of how logical they thought the reason was.
-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
These forums are moderated by several different people, among them are the developers who oversee and design the game you play.
Do you think they would put their reputations as a company and as developers on the line by allowing people to post harmful things on their game's forum site?
I never insulted you...I made allusions to absurd comparisons because you were being absurd about the possibility of your computer being compromised.
-E- I did insinuate you are concerned that the results of your "critical hit test" would be skewed and shown to be more inline with averages...though I hardly consider that an insult...certainly less than I consider you calling me a liar an insult at any rate.
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Soulfire Darkness - Dark/Fire Tank (50+2)
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maybe they seen the post maybe not, maybe they agree it's safe maybe they dont. I havent asked them. But what I do know is that I feel that I'm not comfortable with downloading that program. And I;m sure the devs or mods would try to force it upon me if I choose not to dowload it, unlike you are trying to do. Nor would resort to insults and name calling.
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Originally Posted by planet_J
These forums are moderated by several different people, among them are the developers who oversee and design the game you play.
Do you think they would put their reputations as a company and as developers on the line by allowing people to post harmful things on their game's forum site? |
-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
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Well I used it before years ago, and it was safe then. I haven't used it recently though. There are plenty of other people you can ask too.|
Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
not talking about everyone just the ones that have been.
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Doesn't really matter to me either way if you use it or not. I'm just trying to lower the tension level in this thread. If you don't think your position should have to be defended, then don't do it. It's just going to invite other people to defend their position and continue arguing.
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Well hell, not sure if I would want to ask anyone anything if they are going to act like that over someone that is not comfortable with downloading a program. |
Originally Posted by Garent
Well I used it before years ago, and it was safe then. I haven't used it recently though. There are plenty of other people you can ask too.
Doesn't really matter to me either way if you use it or not. I'm just trying to lower the tension level in this thread. If you don't think your position should have to be defended, then don't do it. It's just going to invite other people to defend their position and continue arguing. |
But you're right my position dont have to be defended but that doesnt mean it had to resort to name calling, insults and the likes. Maybe if I have a question about something or advice about any other programs, I'll PM you as you seem to be reasonable.
-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
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Garent, you and I agree here...for once.|
Originally Posted by Garent
I think that the difference between opinions and facts is being confused here. How safe you want to be with your personal information and computer safety is an opinion. Whether or not a specific program is safe is a fact.
Someone being unable to determine if a fact is true or not true it's completely understandable, but ignoring people explaining the facts is rude and ignorant. It's essentially calling people liars. |
Evil, this is your proof as well, I am not the only one who picked up on it.
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I dont see how saying "no, I dont feel comfortable with downloading that" is confrontational. You then got confrontational with me. |
Originally Posted by planet_J
All of them basically, in a matter of factly tone as well...
You conveniently left out the one option I gave you that I think is the obvious choice, you chose the other 2 over the one that is likely most truthful. You also took hyperbole quite literally after insulting me and being confrontational about the FACTS that I was presenting to you. But you clearly don't see the forest for the trees. |
Ok, maybe the point been missed. Fact or not, safe or not, Will save my life or not.
I do not feel comfortable with downloading that program.
Stop insulting me stop harassing me, stop pestering me about it. When and if I do feel comfortable with it, I'll go for it but that is for me to decide not you. End of story. I have nothing more for you. You like the program that good, you go download it again and again and again but I'm not and you are not going to strongarm me into doing it.
-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
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Sorry for not chasing everything and downloading every program online because people online said it was safe for my computer. That was the whole point of me goign to check it out myself so I see for myself and judge for myself was I comfortable with this program. I decided I wasnt and wished it was left at that. If ya felt like I was calling you liars, Sorry about that. But I did wish you would've just accepted the fact that I wasnt comfortable with it and left it alone. Hopefully we have come to the end of this nonsense.
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Originally Posted by planet_J
Garent, you and I agree here...for once.
Evil, this is your proof as well, I am not the only one who picked up on it. |
-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
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Google or microsoft? reputable? heresy, you will be burned at the stake....everyone knows those are the worst personal information stealers out there.
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Originally Posted by planet_J
Yes, your critical hit results are tied to this program verifying your personal results.
The program is safe to run. The website is secured, which means it has a security certificate from someone like Microsoft or Google or some other reputable company that's required to register secured. That means their content is very well monitored and safe and their website security is good. This means you are more likely to wake up tomorrow with bubonic plague and a mice infestation in your kitchen than you are to get a computer virus from a secured site. These are facts. |
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Regards, Four-Cee-Three
Although I haven't poked around in Hero Stats in a while, I bet it monitors incoming info, and doesn't need to send info anywhere.
That being said, with a decent firewall, you should be able to block the program's ability to send data out, without harming it's ability to function as advertised, if that's the main concern.
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When I'm comfortable with it, I'll may do it. At this time I'm not and not going to do it.
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Originally Posted by Madadh
Although I haven't poked around in Hero Stats in a while, I bet it monitors incoming info, and doesn't need to send info anywhere.
That being said, with a decent firewall, you should be able to block the program's ability to send data out, without harming it's ability to function as advertised, if that's the main concern. |
-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
Scrapper vs Brutes?
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Very. |
Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
How often do you crit?
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My main (Claws/Regen) occasionally crits several times in a row.
I find the scenario in which you only got one crit over the span of an entire mission.....unlikely.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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well aint going over this again. got the info that was requested. I'm done hopping through hoops. Take the info or leave it. You dont beleieve in it, I wont loose any sleep. Glad you get many of them in a row even though it suppose to be 5%-15%c chance. I've moved on to brutes and tanks anyways so the issue is irrelevant to me now and moved on awy from this topic. Good bye good day.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Very.
My main (Claws/Regen) occasionally crits several times in a row. I find the scenario in which you only got one crit over the span of an entire mission.....unlikely. |
-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
Well, I guess we all have to stop now. That's unfortunate.
Carl and Sons @Aurora Girl (Pinnacle)
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Originally Posted by EarthWyrm
But I do understand that there is an internet rule that any bad idea must be presented by someone at least twice a year to remind everyone who hasn't already read every previous thread on the topic precisely why the idea is bad.
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-Female Player-
"Kick Rocks."
I laffed so hard.