#3 and #4 are false. So yes leadership can be passed to non-VIPs.
#4 probably comes from the misunderstanding that only a VIP can create/start an SG base. But once started anyone with permission can edit the base.
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1. True
2. True
3. Will have to let someone else answer this. My thought is no since a SG can be a solo SG.
4. False. It was supposed to be that way, but Premium's are able to edit bases if they are of a rank that has that permission.
Sub-questions.
1. Will defer to others, but it should be transferable.
2. Again, I'll defer to others that have been able to test this, but they shouldn't lose control unless they are logged out longer than the inactivity timer is set for.
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Sub-questions.
1. Will defer to others, but it should be transferable. 2. Again, I'll defer to others that have been able to test this, but they shouldn't lose control unless they are logged out longer than the inactivity timer is set for. |
2. Anyone who has the Red star, but is idle for more than the configured idle period will lose the star to the first toon to login of the next lowest rank (confirmation of this part plz). This can be rectified later with a meeting of the minds between the two players.
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I'll need clarification myself but I believe leadership falls to the most recently logged in character. I inherited the Red Star a couple of times on characters that weren't the next lowest rank, but merely the most recent character to log in.|
Originally Posted by WanderingAries
1. Anyone can become Red star after the group has been formed;
2. Anyone who has the Red star, but is idle for more than the configured idle period will lose the star to the first toon to login of the next lowest rank (confirmation of this part plz). This can be rectified later with a meeting of the minds between the two players. |
Of course it's possible that was because the next lowest ranks from the Red Star were also over the Auto Demote timer.
So as a further question, can I prepay my SG rent for a year before I lose VIP and go premium?
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No.
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Popular alternative - ask for a VIP to join your SG to pay the rent, give lowest rank rent privileges, and they pay it for you.
I do it from time to time, especially if someone else is on from my actual SG so they can re-invite me.
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I have a couple of questions too.
1) Can two SGs merge?
2) In base editing, do you get back prestige if you downgrade the size of the base?
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Originally Posted by Umbran
I have a couple of questions too.
1) Can two SGs merge? 2) In base editing, do you get back prestige if you downgrade the size of the base? |
2) Yes. Any prestige spent "improving" a base is returned when said improvements are cancelled/deleted. The only time spent prestige is not returned is when it is spent on rent.
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2) Yes. Any prestige spent "improving" a base is returned when said improvements are cancelled/deleted. The only time spent prestige is not returned is when it is spent on rent.
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I have a couple of questions too.
1) Can two SGs merge? 2) In base editing, do you get back prestige if you downgrade the size of the base? |
1. No.
2. Yes, reducing base plot, and selling items returns all prestige. The only prestige sink is the reoccurring rent.
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The reason I asked #1 was because another SG has found me and we share the same theme (Divine, angels, heaven...) so it would be nice if we combine but I guess we are going to settle with a coalition...which doesn't do much for us right now since we are both pretty new SGs.
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Just interjecting-- Zwill announced in the last coffee chat on TwitchTV that they were going to try to do some video tours of SG bases. You should try to watch their stream if it ever happens.
If possible, any new SG should also try to arrange to be on a base tour, where you go to other people's bases and check them out. There are some amazingly creative people out there with way too much free time on their hands, and they do good work. 
But seriously, check out the base tours if people still do them. First person tours are much more impressive than video tours.
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BUT...you cannot transfer said prestige to another group.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
1) No. Merging SG's is not possible. Characters have to quit one SG to join another. And all prestige earned in a defunct SG is gone. It doesn't combine with the other SG.
2) Yes. Any prestige spent "improving" a base is returned when said improvements are cancelled/deleted. The only time spent prestige is not returned is when it is spent on rent. |
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It's nitpicky, I'll admit, but may help avoid some confusion for some folks, so I'll point it out.|
Originally Posted by Shockwave007
I wanted to check to see if my understandings on supergroups are correct. Can I get a true/false on these?
1) Only a VIP player can start a supergroup. 2) Only a VIP player can pay rent for a supergroup base (assuming they are high enough rank in the SG) 3) Only a VIP player can be the leader of a supergroup. 4) Only a VIP player can edit bases (assuming they are high enough rank in the SG) |
1) True
2) True, but includes a false asumption.
3) False
4) False, and assumes the same false asumption as #2.
To clarify the false assumptions.....
The rank structure, beyond the leader/redstar is actually misleading (pointless??). The leader can assign the right to edit bases and/or pay rent to only "low enough" ranked people, if he so wanted. Permissions settings are key, rank isn't. It just happens that most SGs I'm guessing use hierarchical ranks, with ever increasing levels of permissions.
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Sadly, nope. I SO wish I could, even though I don't want to go premium. I just don't want to have to bother every month for the 10 SGs or so I have...
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Originally Posted by Ronin_Edge
So as a further question, can I prepay my SG rent for a year before I lose VIP and go premium?
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Eh, I was probably going cross-eyed from reading through the forums? IDK, I thought I'd reread it enough to make sure you hadn't already said it before I posted. oh well. :-p
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Did you read the first part of my post before editing it? I'll highlight the relevant part in green for you.
So what in my post (without creative editing to make it seem otherwise) made you think I was implying that prestige a character earned was transferable from one SG to another? I believe what I was pretty clear that characters don't take prestige with them from one SG to another. |
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No problem. I've missed things myself. I was more curious if you felt the way I said it was confusing. My inner voice thought it sounded okay but I've known that voice to lie to me in the past. |
Originally Posted by WanderingAries
Eh, I was probably going cross-eyed from reading through the forums? IDK, I thought I'd reread it enough to make sure you hadn't already said it before I posted. oh well. :-p
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Thanks for clarifying. I suppose I should have written my assumption on #2 and #4 as "assuming your rank has been assigned permissions to complete this task".|
Originally Posted by Madadh
It's nitpicky, I'll admit, but may help avoid some confusion for some folks, so I'll point it out.
1) True 2) True, but includes a false asumption. 3) False 4) False, and assumes the same false asumption as #2. To clarify the false assumptions..... The rank structure, beyond the leader/redstar is actually misleading (pointless??). The leader can assign the right to edit bases and/or pay rent to only "low enough" ranked people, if he so wanted. Permissions settings are key, rank isn't. It just happens that most SGs I'm guessing use hierarchical ranks, with ever increasing levels of permissions. |
Having seen a few supergroups now, none of them had assigned permissions for new members to pay rent or edit bases, even if they were VIP. (Not allowing rent paying sounds silly to me. I'd recommend enabling that for all ranks.)
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Eh, it might sound silly, but you have to realize there are some people who, if they see that notice, will have it bug them - and it will cost the SG prestige. Now, while rent isn't as bad now as it used to be, if someone's running off to pay it every time they see "rent is due" (or even "rent will be due...") they're going to be paying far more often than most who have picked up on the "every six weeks" bit. |
Originally Posted by Shockwave007
Having seen a few supergroups now, none of them had assigned permissions for new members to pay rent or edit bases, even if they were VIP. (Not allowing rent paying sounds silly to me. I'd recommend enabling that for all ranks.)
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Other groups, of course, have it set for anyone and everyone to pay rent.
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(Not allowing rent paying sounds silly to me. I'd recommend enabling that for all ranks.)
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It's not silly from the companies point of view.
First off the devs want to discourage people from making solo SG's and
using them for extra storage. They have frequently stated that SG's are intended to be multi-player content.
Second there's the financial reasons for the restriction.
SG bases allow players the ability to store up to 540 pieces of Salvage, or 1,800 Enhancements, or 1,800 Inspirations, or a lesser combination of all three.
Now what Free/Premium player is going to buy extra storage from the Paragon Store if they can get hundreds/thousands of storage slots for free just by making a solo SG/base?
So the devs restrict Free/Prems from paying rent so they have to choose. Do they buy extra storage from the Paragon Store or do they subscribe and get extra storage with bases.
But wait, there's more to the story. The devs, out of the kindness of their hearts, decided to make this offer to the nonsubscribers. If you don't sub, and you want to use base storage, they are willing to grant you access if you use the SG/Base as it was intended by inviting a single VIP into your SG and use it as group content.
However if a person choose to be an anti-social cheapskate, he can go spit in the wind and pay for his extra storage.
Oh an by the way you do realize that it's very easy to build a base that doesn't pay any rent right? These are the only items that incur a rental fee. If you don't have them in your base when rent's due you don't get charged rent.
Storage Items (per bin) - You only need these if you want extra storage
100 prestige
Auto-Doc / Tree of Wonders - You can buy insp and sell stuff at the NPC store's
100 prestige
Combat Logs / Contemplation Charts - You can buy insp at npc stores
100 prestige
Robo-Surgery / Spirit Signal - You res to full hp/end by hitting the hospital
100 prestige
Advanced Worktable / Advanced Forge - you can use this then delete it and never incur rent
100 prestige
Expert Worktable / Expert Forge - you can use this then delete it and never incur rent
100 prestige
Robotic Fabricator / Flames of Hephaestus - Base raids are disabled so you don't need this
100 prestige
I've been playing 8 years and I have never used the buffs from any of the three following items so you don't "need" any of them either.
Radiation Emulator / Enchanting Crucible
100 prestige
Linear Accelerator / Arcane Crucible
200 prestige
Supercollider / Mystic Crucible
300 prestige
So it isn't hard to craft a base with Teleporter access to all the beacons, and have a functional medbay without ever paying a single point of prestige for rent.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
No problem. I've missed things myself. I was more curious if you felt the way I said it was confusing. My inner voice thought it sounded okay but I've known that voice to lie to me in the past.
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Well, I admit there are others but I ignore them because they don't speak in English, and I don't speak whatever gibber-jabber they are yammering in. If the voices in my head want to talk to me they can learn to speak a damn civilised language.
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Originally Posted by WanderingAries
Wait, you only have One voice?
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If you haven't manged a supergroup of your own yet, so you may not be aware that paying Rent is the only way to destroy Prestige. Base items cost Prestige to add to the Base, but you get all of the Prestige cost back if you remove the item. Nowadays, Rent is really cheap so it isn't that big an issue. However, back in the old days when Rent was equal to 10% of your SG's total net worth of Prestige, you don't let just anybody in your SG have the ability to pay Rent. Note: this is not just what your Base is worth based on how much Prestige you spent to build it out. No, it is that plus all the Prestige your SG still had banked! The larger SGs were paying out hundreds of thousands of Prestige a month. Some fool paying Rent early can be a serious drain to the SG. Most old timers have gotten into the habit of stretching out the Rent time table by waiting to pay on the 6th week when the SG's power is cut.
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Originally Posted by Shockwave007
Having seen a few supergroups now, none of them had assigned permissions for new members to pay rent or edit bases, even if they were VIP. (Not allowing rent paying sounds silly to me. I'd recommend enabling that for all ranks.)
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I wanted to check to see if my understandings on supergroups are correct. Can I get a true/false on these?
1) Only a VIP player can start a supergroup.
2) Only a VIP player can pay rent for a supergroup base (assuming they are high enough rank in the SG)
3) Only a VIP player can be the leader of a supergroup.
4) Only a VIP player can edit bases (assuming they are high enough rank in the SG)
So some questions.
1) Can leadership transfer from a VIP to non-VIP? (Assuming #3 is false)
2) If someone is a VIP and attains leadership, but goes non-VIP, do they lose control of the supergroup?