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Its the next person to log on irrespective of rank that gets the superleader position.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I'll need clarification myself but I believe leadership falls to the most recently logged in character. I inherited the Red Star a couple of times on characters that weren't the next lowest rank, but merely the most recent character to log in.
Of course it's possible that was because the next lowest ranks from the Red Star were also over the Auto Demote timer. |
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Originally Posted by Gaia
Its the next person to log on irrespective of rank that gets the superleader position.
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Patriots of Paragon Case Study for 6/24/2012
Leader goes over inactive threshold.
We have 1 commander (1 rank below leader) who is 36 hours short of also going inactive.
We have one Leiutenant (2nd lowest rank of 6) who is in good standing.
We have one member (lowest rank of 6) who is active.
I was online at the moment the leader went to inactive status. Leadership was immediately transfered to the commander. So my hypothesis is that unless everyone is already over the limit (in which case it will transfer leadership to that person), leadership will always be transfered to the highest ranked non-inactive person.
Based on this hypothesis, I believe the leiutenant will recieve leadership within 24 hours. I'll confirm or refute that this follows the hypothesis.
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Actually, I wasn't looking at it from a paragon perspective, but from a Supergroup Perspective. I was looking at why you wouldn't want to allow your VIP players of lower rank the ability to pay rent. |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
It's not silly from the companies point of view.
First off the devs want to discourage people from making solo SG's and using them for extra storage. They have frequently stated that SG's are intended to be multi-player content. Second there's the financial reasons for the restriction. SG bases allow players the ability to store up to 540 pieces of Salvage, or 1,800 Enhancements, or 1,800 Inspirations, or a lesser combination of all three. Now what Free/Premium player is going to buy extra storage from the Paragon Store if they can get hundreds/thousands of storage slots for free just by making a solo SG/base? So the devs restrict Free/Prems from paying rent so they have to choose. Do they buy extra storage from the Paragon Store or do they subscribe and get extra storage with bases. But wait, there's more to the story. The devs, out of the kindness of their hearts, decided to make this offer to the nonsubscribers. If you don't sub, and you want to use base storage, they are willing to grant you access if you use the SG/Base as it was intended by inviting a single VIP into your SG and use it as group content. However if a person choose to be an anti-social cheapskate, he can go spit in the wind and pay for his extra storage. Oh an by the way you do realize that it's very easy to build a base that doesn't pay any rent right? These are the only items that incur a rental fee. If you don't have them in your base when rent's due you don't get charged rent. Storage Items (per bin) - You only need these if you want extra storage 100 prestige Auto-Doc / Tree of Wonders - You can buy insp and sell stuff at the NPC store's 100 prestige Combat Logs / Contemplation Charts - You can buy insp at npc stores 100 prestige Robo-Surgery / Spirit Signal - You res to full hp/end by hitting the hospital 100 prestige Advanced Worktable / Advanced Forge - you can use this then delete it and never incur rent 100 prestige Expert Worktable / Expert Forge - you can use this then delete it and never incur rent 100 prestige Robotic Fabricator / Flames of Hephaestus - Base raids are disabled so you don't need this 100 prestige I've been playing 8 years and I have never used the buffs from any of the three following items so you don't "need" any of them either. Radiation Emulator / Enchanting Crucible 100 prestige Linear Accelerator / Arcane Crucible 200 prestige Supercollider / Mystic Crucible 300 prestige So it isn't hard to craft a base with Teleporter access to all the beacons, and have a functional medbay without ever paying a single point of prestige for rent. |
The reason it came up for me is that the leadership in supergroups I've seen have actually been pretty inactive but middle and lower ranks couldn't pay rent, so there was no way to actually turn power back on until leadership transfers to someone who could pay. Seemed like a bad design to me in supergroup hierarchy. Paragon didn't choose it, the group itself did.
I do appreciate the rent free base building tips though. I believe that will be useful to a number of people who find this thread.
Also appreciate the responses as to why SG's would limit who could hit the pay rent button. I'd argue if you will be active enough to micromanage it, that system works, but once leadership isn't paying attention anymore, then it hinders the group.
I do see
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SG management has it's downsides. Some leaders are control freaks, some leaders have been burned in the past and are skittish about getting burned again, and some leaders are just unreliable. Then there are people you can always count on.|
Originally Posted by Shockwave007
Actually, I wasn't looking at it from a paragon perspective, but from a Supergroup Perspective. I was looking at why you wouldn't want to allow your VIP players of lower rank the ability to pay rent.
The reason it came up for me is that the leadership in supergroups I've seen have actually been pretty inactive but middle and lower ranks couldn't pay rent, so there was no way to actually turn power back on until leadership transfers to someone who could pay. Seemed like a bad design to me in supergroup hierarchy. Paragon didn't choose it, the group itself did. I do appreciate the rent free base building tips though. I believe that will be useful to a number of people who find this thread. Also appreciate the responses as to why SG's would limit who could hit the pay rent button. I'd argue if you will be active enough to micromanage it, that system works, but once leadership isn't paying attention anymore, then it hinders the group. I do see |
I inherited an SG/base going on 4 years ago and I still have players on the roster from when it was active. They still show up every once in a while and the bae is still there for them to use. The roster has dwindled doiwn to 12 members 8 of whom haven't logged on in 367 days. But I keep the lights on and the rent paid anyway.
Of course I must admit if the devs ever add a feature that lets us transfer an SG/base to another server, I'll be putting a lot of thought into clearing out the roster and moving to another server.
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I hear you on this. I always enable paying rent for all ranks in my supergroups. I don't ever want other members to not have access the to base and its stuff because they're waiting around for me or another higher ranking member to log on and pay the rent (I've been on the flipside of that equation before and it's pretty annoying). I'm aware that members may pay the rent earlier than necessary and waste prestige that way, but the cost is so low these days that I don't find it a big concern. I noticed that the default permission setting for paying rent limits it to the first 2 ranks, and I suspect that most leaders simply don't think to change it. |
Originally Posted by Shockwave007
Having seen a few supergroups now, none of them had assigned permissions for new members to pay rent or edit bases, even if they were VIP. (Not allowing rent paying sounds silly to me. I'd recommend enabling that for all ranks.)
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Originally Posted by Shockwave007
This is NOT how things happen.
Patriots of Paragon Case Study for 6/24/2012 Leader goes over inactive threshold. We have 1 commander (1 rank below leader) who is 36 hours short of also going inactive. We have one Leiutenant (2nd lowest rank of 6) who is in good standing. We have one member (lowest rank of 6) who is active. I was online at the moment the leader went to inactive status. Leadership was immediately transfered to the commander. So my hypothesis is that unless everyone is already over the limit (in which case it will transfer leadership to that person), leadership will always be transfered to the highest ranked non-inactive person. |
The leadership change happened again today, and happened exactly as I anticipated.
1) Leader #2 (who took over as leader 36 hours earlier in the scenario 2 posts up) hit the limit for inactivity and was demoted back down to commander.
2) A leiutenant (who for somereason was promoted directly to leiutenant immediately upon joining the group) was the highest ranking member of the SG who was not over the inactivity limit. He was immediately promoted to be the new leader. This player's last login was 4 days ago, which puts him well within the limits for a while.
So once again, who logs in first, did not have any effect on it. It's the highest ranking member who is in good standing (not over inactivity limit). If the entire SG is over the limit, then the first person to log in would by default become leader as the only person in good standing.
With two transitions now following this pattern, I'm pretty satisfied that this is how it occurs.
Then it sounds like they have changed how this works at some point. I actually kind of like the idea that the next highest ranking member is promoted whether they're online or not, because it lessens the chance that some random member of the lowest rank will jump all the way to the super leader possition purely by luck (which I have seen happen). But at the same time, if it keeps passing to members that are inactive and meanwhile no one can pay the rent, that can get annoying.
Fixed that for ya. Since the rent overhaul it takes maybe 3-4 missions to earn enough prestige to pay rent.
These days the biggest prestige loss occurs when an SG roster is under 15 members and a character is booted or quits. -20k prestige.