Ms. Liberty Task Force?
Beta feedback was rather overwhelming in asking for Ms. Liberty to be the new TF contact instead. Her role as leader of Longbow and Statesman's closest kin, as well as her recent "redeem Recluse" thing, made her more appropriate to fill in for the TF. The request was that BAB take her place in Atlas, but that part would/will require some time to change all the missions that send you to talk to her, and there wasn't time to do that before i23 went live. I'm not sure if the plan is that BAB will move to the spot under the globe later, or if that's been completely scrapped.
I cant imagine training in Atlas without Ms Liberty. She cant be moved.
I wasn't around for the issue 23 beta, but I understand that at one point Back Alley Brawler was the replacement contact for the Statesman Task Force, but it was changed to Ms. Liberty. Can someone bring me up to speed on why?
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It is perfectly thematically appropriate for Ms. Liberty to finish what her grandfather started, especially since it involves trying to redeem her great-uncle.
It is actually part of BaBs' backstory that after he retired from active heroing he spent most of his time training up and coming heroes.
Both things make perfect sense.
Ms. Liberty hasn't been moved yet because there are several low-level missions that involve talking to her. I expect BaBs to replace her at some point, but those missions will have to be rewritten slightly. I just assumed they hadn't gotten to that part yet, but they will in the near future.
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Are you positive that the fabric of the universe won't be rent asunder by a change to the skin of the trainer in Atlas Park, Hopeling? It's pretty important that we get this right the first time.
Eh, I give it about... 50-50.
In the event of multiversal catastrophe, though, I'd be more reassured by BAB's guidance than Ms. Liberty's, so kind of a win either way.
Ms. Liberty hasn't been moved yet because there are several low-level missions that involve talking to her. I expect BaBs to replace her at some point, but those missions will have to be rewritten slightly. I just assumed they hadn't gotten to that part yet, but they will in the near future.
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I believe in one of the recent Massively interviews they said that, based on feedback, they were going to leave Ms. Liberty in both places. It's not perfectly clear from that this is a permanent state of affairs, but I would read it as "it might be". They also said they still had things in mind for BaB, which reinforced my interpretation that he wasn't necessarily going to become the Atlas trainer.
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Ms. Liberty has already wiped out her family through manipulating her fall guy Darrin Wade, along with bringing about the death of the only psychic with enough experience to read her mind - BAB would be well advised to keep out of her way as she tightens her grip on the city, especially now that her plan to revive Red Widow as a distraction for Recluse and Arachnos has allowed her to withdraw several Longbow units from the Rogue Isles and redeploy them on the Paragon streets.
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Ms. Liberty has already wiped out her family through manipulating her fall guy Darrin Wade, along with bringing about the death of the only psychic with enough experience to read her mind - BAB would be well advised to keep out of her way as she tightens her grip on the city, especially now that her plan to revive Red Widow as a distraction for Recluse and Arachnos has allowed her to withdraw several Longbow units from the Rogue Isles and redeploy them on the Paragon streets.
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Ms. Liberty has already wiped out her family through manipulating her fall guy Darrin Wade, along with bringing about the death of the only psychic with enough experience to read her mind - BAB would be well advised to keep out of her way as she tightens her grip on the city, especially now that her plan to revive Red Widow as a distraction for Recluse and Arachnos has allowed her to withdraw several Longbow units from the Rogue Isles and redeploy them on the Paragon streets.
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Ms. Liberty has already wiped out her family through manipulating her fall guy Darrin Wade, along with bringing about the death of the only psychic with enough experience to read her mind - BAB would be well advised to keep out of her way as she tightens her grip on the city, especially now that her plan to revive Red Widow as a distraction for Recluse and Arachnos has allowed her to withdraw several Longbow units from the Rogue Isles and redeploy them on the Paragon streets.
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i think war witch is the only NPC that is supposed to appear in 2 places at once lol (PD and croatoa)
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i think war witch is the only NPC that is supposed to appear in 2 places at once lol (PD and croatoa)
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Ms. Liberty, by the way, now appears in three places at once.
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Well this is a conundrum,I have to say to the Devs here that the master of the former Statesman tf says "Master of Back alley Brawler tf"...Yet Ms. Liberty is there in I.P. Guys Removing Statesman the way it was done is Like umm... a pb and j sammich with no Bread. When other Devs Left they were not obliterated By dev community. Sorry Posi i do not agree with this move. If you look at top cow comics Overshadowing all when the game came out I.e. The comic was a promo release who is there larger than life...not Ms. Liberty ....I mean this is like Star Wars Missing 1 of its key Characters.
Or a Better theory, Star Trek without any of its famous Captains...Lets just take Fred (generic name inserted) and stick him there( Fred Could also be a her with a bad case of 5 pm shadow). Hate to say it guys ya killed Kirk without doing the torch pass to Picard. All in All ,,,not good
Ms. Liberty has already wiped out her family through manipulating her fall guy Darrin Wade, along with bringing about the death of the only psychic with enough experience to read her mind - BAB would be well advised to keep out of her way as she tightens her grip on the city, especially now that her plan to revive Red Widow as a distraction for Recluse and Arachnos has allowed her to withdraw several Longbow units from the Rogue Isles and redeploy them on the Paragon streets.
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??????? Wait...!!!!! Golden Girl... has been REPLACED by an AUTOMATON!
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Well this is a conundrum,I have to say to the Devs here that the master of the former Statesman tf says "Master of Back alley Brawler tf"...
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Yet Ms. Liberty is there in I.P. Guys Removing Statesman the way it was done is Like umm... a pb and j sammich with no Bread. When other Devs Left they were not obliterated By dev community. Sorry Posi i do not agree with this move. If you look at top cow comics Overshadowing all when the game came out I.e. The comic was a promo release who is there larger than life...not Ms. Liberty ....I mean this is like Star Wars Missing 1 of its key Characters. |
Or a Better theory, Star Trek without any of its famous Captains...Lets just take Fred (generic name inserted) and stick him there( Fred Could also be a her with a bad case of 5 pm shadow). Hate to say it guys ya killed Kirk without doing the torch pass to Picard. All in All ,,,not good |
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I still think it was a mistake to 'remove' Statesman from the game.
The game has lost it's one true iconic character ... and more worrying in doing so it's possibly lost its very identity as well.
What advantage has actually been gained by taking him out of the game? Or to put it another way ... Who gains from Statesman's removal?
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I still think it was a mistake to 'remove' Statesman from the game.
The game has lost it's one true iconic character ... and more worrying in doing so it's possibly lost its very identity as well. What advantage has actually been gained by taking him out of the game? Or to put it another way ... Who gains from Statesman's removal? |
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I wasn't around for the issue 23 beta, but I understand that at one point Back Alley Brawler was the replacement contact for the Statesman Task Force, but it was changed to Ms. Liberty. Can someone bring me up to speed on why? Back Alley Brawler doesn't really have much to do these days since Galaxy City was destroyed, and (according to the wiki at least, I haven't checked in-game) Ms. Liberty is ALSO still the trainer in Atlas Park. So why the snub on BAB?
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
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