Name Reservation Changes


Aggelakis

 

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Originally Posted by Texas Justice View Post
Wouldn't it be 3 extra 0's to go from 500,000 to 500,000,000 in your memory?


EDIT: Not very often I get to correct Aggelakis.
... and you still don't. >.> Aggelakis was talking about "close to or over half a billion characters created," so one zero does it.


 

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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
... and you still don't. >.> Aggelakis was talking about "close to or over half a billion characters created," so one zero does it.
Ah, yeah. I was looking at the Accounts number, not the Characters number.

Maybe someday.


If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.

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Even back in 2005 there were a lot of people with 10+ level 50s.
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So 100,000 characters for approximately 200,000 accounts (at the time). Are you really saying that one 50 for every 2 accounts is a "very small portion"?
Anyone else notice how Snow went from arguing lot's of players had 10+ level 50's to one level 50 for every 2 accounts?

What suddenly happened to the players that had 10+ 50's? There's no argument that they existed back then.

See here' the thing. The devs told us the number of characters that made it to level 50 at that time. So the more 50's on a single account means it's mathmatically impossible for there to have been a single 50 for every two accounts.



So let's say for example if 5,000 players had 10 level 50's at that time then that group would have possessed 50,000 of the 100,000 level 50's that existed.



So if there were 200,000 accounts created at that time, that would mean half the level 50's created, were "owned" by approimately 2.5% of the playerbase. (Where's Arcanaville to do math when we need her?)



But again that's just an example. We'd need to see the devs datamining to determine the exact amounts.


 

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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
Anyone else notice how Snow went from arguing lot's of players had 10+ level 50's to one level 50 for every 2 accounts?

What suddenly happened to the players that had 10+ 50's? There's no argument that they existed back then.

See here' the thing. The devs told us the number of characters that made it to level 50 at that time. So the more 50's on a single account means it's mathmatically impossible for there to have been a single 50 for every two accounts.
Doesn't solve the issue of there was 100,000 level 50s vs 200,000 accounts. I did not say 100,000 accounts had 100,000 level 50s, only that there was a level 50 for every 2 accounts. Obviously the distribution wasn't every other account having a level 50, and it would take a elementary student to figure that out.

I'll point out that it is a very common way of discussing statistical distribution.

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Or do you really believe that there were 2.67 persons per household in 1994 (http://www.census.gov/population/www...ile/hhfam.html)? My saying 1 in 2 accounts is a statistical observation, not me claiming that every other account had a level 50. To think that what I said was that every 2nd account had a level 50 is an epic failure to read.




Triumph: White Succubus: 50 Ill/Emp/PF Snow Globe: 50 Ice/FF/Ice Strobe: 50 PB Shi Otomi: 50 Ninja/Ninjistu/GW Stalker My other characters

 

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I've actually found this recurring topic ("free up character names") to be quite useful. It's nice to have something reliable to set my clocks by.


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The Secret World - Arcadia - Shinzo
Rift - Faeblight - Bloodspeaker
LotRO - Gladden - Aranelion
STO - Holodeck - @Captain_Thiraas

Obviously, I don't care about NCSoft's forum rules, now.

 

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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
Edit: Another link.
It seems to be broken. Clicking it doesn't go anywhere.


Where to find me after the end:
The Secret World - Arcadia - Shinzo
Rift - Faeblight - Bloodspeaker
LotRO - Gladden - Aranelion
STO - Holodeck - @Captain_Thiraas

Obviously, I don't care about NCSoft's forum rules, now.

 

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I didn't read most of the thread, but my general take on it is that after several years gone, your claim to a name is null and void. If it's still there when you come back or it, you're just lucky, not entitled. I doubt if some names on games I left last year are still available.

Whether they decide to purge names or not, the idea that anyone "owns" a name after being gone for half a decade doesn't float for me.

EDIT: I just glanced through the thread out of curiousity. I'm dissapointed to say the least about accusations of paying players "stealing." How ridiculous. If I ever quit this game and am gone for 3+ years you can revert my name roster out of respect for the game's current players.


 

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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight View Post
I think it is a naming issue with that Link.
It did try to stab me, though...


Where to find me after the end:
The Secret World - Arcadia - Shinzo
Rift - Faeblight - Bloodspeaker
LotRO - Gladden - Aranelion
STO - Holodeck - @Captain_Thiraas

Obviously, I don't care about NCSoft's forum rules, now.

 

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Originally Posted by Snow Globe View Post
Doesn't solve the issue of there was 100,000 level 50s vs 200,000 accounts. I did not say 100,000 accounts had 100,000 level 50s, only that there was a level 50 for every 2 accounts. Obviously the distribution wasn't every other account having a level 50, and it would take a elementary student to figure that out.

I'll point out that it is a very common way of discussing statistical distribution.

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Or do you really believe that there were 2.67 persons per household in 1994 (http://www.census.gov/population/www...ile/hhfam.html)? My saying 1 in 2 accounts is a statistical observation, not me claiming that every other account had a level 50. To think that what I said was that every 2nd account had a level 50 is an epic failure to read.
We all know you were wrong, but that's okay Snow, we still love you.


 

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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
We all know you were wrong, but that's okay Snow, we still love you.
Frankly, he's guessing and going by "I think I remember."

So's the mention of the article, unless it can be found, as I don't remember that number being that low... then again, I don't remember that number, period.

Go forth and search for said article, that's my suggestion.


 

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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
Frankly, he's guessing and going by "I think I remember."

So's the mention of the article, unless it can be found, as I don't remember that number being that low... then again, I don't remember that number, period.

Go forth and search for said article, that's my suggestion.
It used to be linked in a thread discussing it, but it was long lost in the forum switchover.


 

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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
It used to be linked in a thread discussing it, but it was long lost in the forum switchover.
Maybe the Wayback Machine has an archive of it?


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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
Frankly, he's guessing and going by "I think I remember."
Only problem here is that I didn't start the 100k level 50s comment, Forbin did:
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
It took me until I8 to get 1 character to level 50. Most players back then weren't metagamers with stables of level 50 characters. The dev themselves said sometime around 2008-2009 in an article that only 100,000 or so characters reached level 50 since the game had launched. So at the time the name script had first been run the number of players with 50's was a very small portion of the playerbase.
I was being generous in using peak subscription numbers in 2006, around 200k subscribers (info source here: http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png ). If I were to use 2008-2009 numbers, the subscriber numbers at the time were 100k-150k, bringing the average number of 50s per account to 1 per subscriber - just under 1 per subscriber instead of 1 per two subscribers.

Thanks for improving my point.

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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
We all know you were wrong, but that's okay Snow, we still love you.
Hey, I was only wrong in being more generous than I should have.

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And the last time NCsoft published CoH subscription numbers (Q3 2008 Report), the monthly access for September 2008 was 124,939.




Triumph: White Succubus: 50 Ill/Emp/PF Snow Globe: 50 Ice/FF/Ice Strobe: 50 PB Shi Otomi: 50 Ninja/Ninjistu/GW Stalker My other characters

 

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Originally Posted by BrandX View Post
Im actually for this! Don't have a global name? Names are freed up!

Not on in so many years. I say free the names. If they come back and leave again because the name is taken, they likely weren't going to stay around anyways.
I must agree with this. Names that don't have a global name and names tied to a trial account, they must be freed up.


 

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Originally Posted by Snow Globe View Post
Only problem here is that I didn't start the 100k level 50s comment, Forbin did:

I was being generous in using peak subscription numbers in 2006, around 200k subscribers (info source here: http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png ). If I were to use 2008-2009 numbers, the subscriber numbers at the time were 100k-150k, bringing the average number of 50s per account to 1 per subscriber - just under 1 per subscriber instead of 1 per two subscribers.

Thanks for improving my point.


Hey, I was only wrong in being more generous than I should have.

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And the last time NCsoft published CoH subscription numbers (Q3 2008 Report), the monthly access for September 2008 was 124,939.

If your point was that the more players there were that had multiple level 50's on their accounts then there were even more players without any level 50's on their accounts. Then glad to help.

And at no time did the company ever say that the level 50's were only on active accounts, so we couldn't rely on active subscriptions as being an
accurate variable.

I don't recall the company ever stating the actual number of accounts (active and inactive) that have been created over the years.


 

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Originally Posted by Toy View Post
I must agree with this. Names that don't have a global name and names tied to a trial account, they must be freed up.
See prior mention - just because it's on a "trial" account (and the only way you can see that is a @trial global) doesn't mean that account is not active.

Just imagine: You tried COH a while back on a trial, but didn't stick with it then. You do now, but only play on weekends. On tuesday, a script is run to free up names on accounts starting with @trial. Since there's not a popup telling you "Your global is @trial, you must change it," you haven't paid attention to it. So you come back Saturday and - *bam* you've lost your name and must rename it.

Post-Freedom, there are no "trial" accounts.


 

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Originally Posted by memphis_bill View Post
post-freedom, there are no "trial" accounts.

/qfe


what the heck? why are my capital letters changing to lowercase?


 

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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
/qfe


what the heck? why are my capital letters changing to lowercase?
It's the No Shouting code. You can't make a post that is all caps.


If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.

Black Pebble is my new hero.

 

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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
See prior mention - just because it's on a "trial" account (and the only way you can see that is a @trial global) doesn't mean that account is not active.

Just imagine: You tried COH a while back on a trial, but didn't stick with it then. You do now, but only play on weekends. On tuesday, a script is run to free up names on accounts starting with @trial. Since there's not a popup telling you "Your global is @trial, you must change it," you haven't paid attention to it. So you come back Saturday and - *bam* you've lost your name and must rename it.

Post-Freedom, there are no "trial" accounts.
That is why the suggestion included an activity check.

You honestly can't tell me that there isn't a record of when the character or account has been last logged into. Especially since I can simply look at a SG roster and see characters that have 1,500+ days since their last on date. After 3+ years (approximately 1,100 days), it shouldn't be an issue if the usage rights expires so that another player can use it.




Triumph: White Succubus: 50 Ill/Emp/PF Snow Globe: 50 Ice/FF/Ice Strobe: 50 PB Shi Otomi: 50 Ninja/Ninjistu/GW Stalker My other characters

 

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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
See prior mention - just because it's on a "trial" account (and the only way you can see that is a @trial global) doesn't mean that account is not active.

Just imagine: You tried COH a while back on a trial, but didn't stick with it then. You do now, but only play on weekends. On tuesday, a script is run to free up names on accounts starting with @trial. Since there's not a popup telling you "Your global is @trial, you must change it," you haven't paid attention to it. So you come back Saturday and - *bam* you've lost your name and must rename it.

Post-Freedom, there are no "trial" accounts.
I understand your point and i respect your opinion Memphis Bill. To be honest i still support the idea for the inactive trial accounts and names without a global chat handle to be taken from their account.

I know that the Post Freedom ''trial'' accounts have change but an inactive name since 2004 and an inactive name on an account that never contributed anything for the game, i don't think is fair to have a name doing nothing there.

Another point on this is that if those players have the intention of returning and if they remember all of the information. Some might remember for sure, others won't even have the intentions to return.

It is an unpredictable thing, since we are not in their shoes to know if those former players are going to come back or if the ones with trial accounts are currently active.

Regarding character names in inactive accounts from 3-4 years, i won't get there since that is a different case and we have seen a lot of people returning to the game who were inactive in that time range.


 

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Originally Posted by Snow Globe View Post
That is why the suggestion included an activity check.

You honestly can't tell me that there isn't a record of when the character or account has been last logged into. Especially since I can simply look at a SG roster and see characters that have 1,500+ days since their last on date. After 3+ years (approximately 1,100 days), it shouldn't be an issue if the usage rights expires so that another player can use it.
Just like to point out that the way the system records the dates since last logged in has always been a little wonky. On more than one occasion I've seen it claim characters have been offline longer than the game existed. So before I'd put any trust in it I'd want the devs to make damn sure it's working correctly.


 

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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
Just like to point out that the way the system records the dates since last logged in has always been a little wonky. On more than one occasion I've seen it claim characters have been offline longer than the game existed. So before I'd put any trust in it I'd want the devs to make damn sure it's working correctly.
The only time I've heard of that was someone that had a character in the initial beta. The player literally forgot they even had the character (wasn't on a server they normally play on after an absence).




Triumph: White Succubus: 50 Ill/Emp/PF Snow Globe: 50 Ice/FF/Ice Strobe: 50 PB Shi Otomi: 50 Ninja/Ninjistu/GW Stalker My other characters

 

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Originally Posted by Snow Globe View Post
The only time I've heard of that was someone that had a character in the initial beta. The player literally forgot they even had the character (wasn't on a server they normally play on after an absence).
Its happened to me. (A character offline longer than the game itself has been around).
I've also seen a small handful of 'gosh look at this' threads on it in forums.


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Thank you Devs & Community people for a great game.

So sad to be ending ):