I like it, but from what I recall of Tron Legacy, Beck isn't in that movie so since this series is between the movies I'd have to speculate that Beck is doomed to be derezzed.
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Originally Posted by Nericus
I like it, but from what I recall of Tron Legacy, Beck isn't in that movie so since this series is between the movies I'd have to speculate that Beck is doomed to be derezzed.
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Maybe Beck will be important in finding Flynn and helping him escape from Clu so that he'll be around for TRON Legacy to happen. Maybe Tron sacrifices himself to Clu's reprogramming so that Beck and Flynn can get free and then Beck follows in his mentor's footsteps to sacrifice himself for Flynn. Would be a cool way to end this animated series.
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Boo, Link doesn't work for me. I go YT, it seems to start fine, and flashes to a 0:00 long video. YT works fine for everything else.
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I'm having the same problem.
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Hope you get to see it...
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Direct link wasn't working for me, either. I had to go here and scroll down to where it mentions Tron and watch it on that page. Just set to 720p and fullscreen it.
I'm not sold on the character designs - they look vaguely Peter Chung-esque and I never really liked his designs. But the animation was really nice. Though it was intentionally done at a lower framerate I think to simulate 2d animation, the movements were fluid and didn't suffer from that annoying pose-to-pose kind of movement most other 3d shows use.
I'm somewhat worried about the story, but hopefully they'll come up with something to tie it up into Legacy by the end. I'll probably watch it.. assuming I remember when it comes on.
Okay despite the link problems I was now able to sit and watch the whole thing this time. I still think at the moment that Beck is doomed as per the events of Legacy don't show Beck at all.
Also it was nice to see TRON even if it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense at first. We see in the movie flashback that CLU apparently kills TRON, but it turns out he damaged TRON and then reprogrammed him into Rinzler to serve him.
What we see so far in the cartoon is a badly damaged TRON that shows us he is apparently badly code fragmented and missing parts of his code.....yet we also see that he is apparently Rinzler or at least disguised to make CLU and his army think TRON is dead. Yet for such a damaged and crippled program he was still swatting Beck around with ease despite Beck's efforts. Also I would guess that TRON doesn't know where Flynn is hiding as I would think that Flynn's user powers could heal TRON's damaged code.
To quote the Lost in Space robot: "Does not compute!" More episodes needed to fill in the gaps. 
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Beck doesn't necessarily have to end up dead. This series seems to be set in a different city than the one in Legacy, so it's entirely possible that Beck was still leading his insurrection while Flynn and his kid were fighting Clu. Flynn lived pretty far off the Grid, so he wouldn't nessarily know what was happening in other cities, and Clu seems like the kind of guy would would keep a tight rein on information (lest the wrong bit mar his perfect world), so he would keep any news of rebellion under wraps.|
Originally Posted by Nericus
Okay despite the link problems I was now able to sit and watch the whole thing this time. I still think at the moment that Beck is doomed as per the events of Legacy don't show Beck at all.
Also it was nice to see TRON even if it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense at first. We see in the movie flashback that CLU apparently kills TRON, but it turns out he damaged TRON and then reprogrammed him into Rinzler to serve him. What we see so far in the cartoon is a badly damaged TRON that shows us he is apparently badly code fragmented and missing parts of his code.....yet we also see that he is apparently Rinzler or at least disguised to make CLU and his army think TRON is dead. Yet for such a damaged and crippled program he was still swatting Beck around with ease despite Beck's efforts. Also I would guess that TRON doesn't know where Flynn is hiding as I would think that Flynn's user powers could heal TRON's damaged code. To quote the Lost in Space robot: "Does not compute!" More episodes needed to fill in the gaps. |
Tron is harder to explain, though. Maybe he's slowly succumbing to Clu's rewrite? Maybe there was a backup copy of him that got damaged by the rewrite?
Goodbye, I guess.
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Maybe Beck as the new TRON is the one that gets overwritten to become Rinzler?
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Finally got a chance to see it. Had to go the route Kyasubaru did. (My net connection/browsers hate IO9 & it's related sites as well, but I finally saw and ripped it...)
Interesting...
it'll be interesting to see how Uprising ties in from the Coup Flashback to Legacy's start.
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No, that wouldn't match up with the fact that losing his two ID discs and then seeing Flynn afterwards is what jolted TRON's personality to wake up and resist CLU at the end. Also he spoke with TRON's voice and I doubt Beck would voice alter himself.
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Maybe Beck as the new TRON is the one that gets overwritten to become Rinzler?
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Originally Posted by Lord_Nightblade
Beck doesn't necessarily have to end up dead. This series seems to be set in a different city than the one in Legacy, so it's entirely possible that Beck was still leading his insurrection while Flynn and his kid were fighting Clu. Flynn lived pretty far off the Grid, so he wouldn't nessarily know what was happening in other cities, and Clu seems like the kind of guy would would keep a tight rein on information (lest the wrong bit mar his perfect world), so he would keep any news of rebellion under wraps.
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As to TRON: that is indeed the question: is this a damaged backup copy or is TRON slowly becoming Rinzler? Oddly we see TRON with only his one disc instead of the second one he obtained in that fight against CLU. Also it looks like he imprinted his source code/bios into Beck with that disc switch recombination that they did, so if TRON's disc contains copies of his undamaged code I would think he could basically "re-rez" himself and be restored to fight again. Also if TRON really is so damaged how he can still fight so well and yet not feel as if he can take on CLU?
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Originally Posted by Nericus
No, that wouldn't match up with the fact that losing his two ID discs and then seeing Flynn afterwards is what jolted TRON's personality to wake up and resist CLU at the end. Also he spoke with TRON's voice and I doubt Beck would voice alter himself.
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Hummm... *laughs* What if Tron's going around, city to city, and finding people willing to take a stand? Convincing each one that THEY are "the next Tron", and he's really not all that damaged after all? He's making an army of copies to take down CLU.
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If he's suffering from a slow rewrite by Clu, then maybe he's been altered enough so that he can't take direct action against Clu's forces, but he can do something indirect like train a successor.
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Also if TRON really is so damaged how he can still fight so well and yet not feel as if he can take on CLU?
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Goodbye, I guess.
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If he's suffering from a slow rewrite by Clu, then maybe he's been altered enough so that he can't take direct action against Clu's forces, but he can do something indirect like train a successor.
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In the Legacy movie, we saw that Tron took down one of CLU's goons and thus gained a second disc, albeit a red one. As Rinzler we see he has two discs: one red and the other has CLU's gold color on it and it looked like as the fight between Rinzler and Sam started that those two balls CLU picked up seemed to act as controls for Rinzler.
I wonder if CLU gets ahold of TRON's ID disc and uses his ability to repurpose programs to block its TRON programming and the RED DISC is the ID disc of RINZLER, the guard that TRON defeated before CLU defeated TRON. Thus Rinzler acts as a shell program to contain and control TRON.
Given the damage we see that TRON has in this episode it looks like only Alan can fix him from the outside or else Flynn needs to use his "user power" to restore TRON. Too bad this never gets to happen. TRON wakes up at the end of Legacy and ends up sinking in the sea as he reverts to blue but we still don't know how damaged he will be when he emerges from the waters.
Overall this will be a fun cartoon to watch even if we know that Beck is pretty much foredoomed to fail.
About the Tron vs Beck fight, would it be possible Tron pulled out the old decrepit fighting master trick? Being awesome for just a few minutes because it's all he can do without needing a break?
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Originally Posted by Tormentoso
About the Tron vs Beck fight, would it be possible Tron pulled out the old decrepit fighting master trick? Being awesome for just a few minutes because it's all he can do without needing a break?
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I was a little iffy on this series when it was first announced but that first episode definitely sold me on it. I'm going to be following this series closely once it airs.
I suspect that free will is going to be a major theme in this series. Aside from the obvious concept of Beck choosing to fight for freedom, not all the programs on Clu's side appear to be truly evil in this show when we see that they are basically reprogrammed drones in Legacy. We see that briefly when Paige briefly protests when General Tesler rounds up Beck's friends for the Games earlier than expected, but it's much more clear when the program Beck spares helps him rescue his friends.
I believe that either Tesler or Clu himself will realize that it's inefficient to have your soldiers protesting or helping the enemy, so they may end up finding a way to completely reprogram programs to be mindlessly obedient. The first victim of this? Quite likely to be Tron himself, no doubt in some sort of heroic sacrifice.
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This is awesome. Too bad I don't have a means to watch it on the actual channel. 
Re: Tron/Rinzler, and other overall plot arcs I thought of...
He said it himself: "Clu left me with scars that will never heal." (I think that's the line. It's very close.) I take it to mean this: He's slowly being 'eaten alive', if you will, by the Clu rewrite and he's destined to become Rinzler. (as has been suggested)
BUt... I think Flynn's the one keeping the Rinzler code at bay. Flynn IS THERE, remember... he never got out when Clu attacked Tron. We'll see him sometime, and probably at next season, if not the cliffhanger the end of the first.
I also think Beck is destined to be derezzed, and I imagine it will be when the ISOs are destroyed by Clu, as he'll be fighting 'the system' there, probably leading the defense. Then 'boom', and he's done. Oh, but his big thing is he's gonna save Quorra as his last heroic thing. A la Tron telling Flynn to get out.
And it's a possible that Flynn will have to come to grips about his friend, Tron, by finally admitting there's nothing else that can be done, in effect having to release Rinzler. But what will be worse is he'll have to in effect kill or lobotomize Tron, so that Flynn's whereabouts aren't known by Clu when Rinzler becomes dominant, and Clu's puppet. This part is less 'for sure' for me as a guess, but I'd think it'd be a great twist sometime in the series. Of course, that's assuming the above involvement with Tron.
My issue with this possible is this: Flynn says "Oh, Tron... what as Clu done to you?" in the 2nd movie. (Paraphrased.) This can be explained away as something like Flynn is aghast, if you will, at how far 'down' the Rinzler program has taken Tron, farther than he would have guessed.
The series endings will be maybe a 3 parter. Flynn will see Tron get turned, and see the ISOs being taken out. Beck, the last best hope, is no more... He'll have a new mouth to feed, if you will, with Quorra... His 'inward turn' begins, the series ending with a soliliquy by him, lost in his thoughts... and on the Grid.
Overall, though, I bet I'm right and it's just details of these characters from here on out. The 'end' for Beck and Tron can come at any time they want the series to end, and it'll flow right into the movie, and that pretty well.
/Oh, and Beck and the bad girl will become an item. Watch.
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This is awesome. Too bad I don't have a means to watch it on the actual channel.
Re: Tron/Rinzler, and other overall plot arcs I thought of... He said it himself: "Clu left me with scars that will never heal." (I think that's the line. It's very close.) I take it to mean this: He's slowly being 'eaten alive', if you will, by the Clu rewrite and he's destined to become Rinzler. (as has been suggested) BUt... I think Flynn's the one keeping the Rinzler code at bay. Flynn IS THERE, remember... he never got out when Clu attacked Tron. We'll see him sometime, and probably at next season, if not the cliffhanger the end of the first. I also think Beck is destined to be derezzed, and I imagine it will be when the ISOs are destroyed by Clu, as he'll be fighting 'the system' there, probably leading the defense. Then 'boom', and he's done. Oh, but his big thing is he's gonna save Quorra as his last heroic thing. A la Tron telling Flynn to get out. And it's a possible that Flynn will have to come to grips about his friend, Tron, by finally admitting there's nothing else that can be done, in effect having to release Rinzler. But what will be worse is he'll have to in effect kill or lobotomize Tron, so that Flynn's whereabouts aren't known by Clu when Rinzler becomes dominant, and Clu's puppet. This part is less 'for sure' for me as a guess, but I'd think it'd be a great twist sometime in the series. Of course, that's assuming the above involvement with Tron. My issue with this possible is this: Flynn says "Oh, Tron... what as Clu done to you?" in the 2nd movie. (Paraphrased.) This can be explained away as something like Flynn is aghast, if you will, at how far 'down' the Rinzler program has taken Tron, farther than he would have guessed. The series endings will be maybe a 3 parter. Flynn will see Tron get turned, and see the ISOs being taken out. Beck, the last best hope, is no more... He'll have a new mouth to feed, if you will, with Quorra... His 'inward turn' begins, the series ending with a soliliquy by him, lost in his thoughts... and on the Grid. Overall, though, I bet I'm right and it's just details of these characters from here on out. The 'end' for Beck and Tron can come at any time they want the series to end, and it'll flow right into the movie, and that pretty well. /Oh, and Beck and the bad girl will become an item. Watch. |
However as I recall from Legacy, Flynn never saw Tron/Rinzler again after Clu's betrayal until Sam came into the Grid. So is Flynn keeping the Rinzler code at bay? Maybe. But I think that if Flynn can access and repair Quorra's source code in the movie that he could fix Tron's damaged code and use TRON's disc to basically rerez TRON and heal him. So while it is possible that Flynn is aiding TRON in this cartoon at the moment, I don't think that will be the case.
Flynn did state that CLU somehow fed on Flynn's resistance and grew stronger, not quite sure what that means unless CLU was absorbing and reprogramming any program that Flynn sent after Clu. Flynn is hiding somewhere and should appear when the great ISO purge occurs as he does help save Quorra.
As to Flynn, the Grid is his creation and he seems to have better knowledge on his user powers then he did in TRON, the fact that he couldn't stop CLU or decimate CLU's armies by something like calling down lightning upon them or something is rather astounding.
As to CLU, what makes him so formidable is that he is a program spawned directly from Flynn within the Grid, in essence Flynn copied his source code/bios into the CLU program so CLU is a user/program hybrid which evidently puts him above even TRON. Had Flynn been able to spawn another copy of himself programmed with the prime directives of: Always obey Flynn and TRON, the other directive of DESTROY CLU and then sent that program after CLU, things may have turned out different. But Flynn probably can't do that again or doesn't want to risk it again.
New article about the show:
http://spinoff.comicbookresources.co...nces-the-grid/
One minor spoiler in the article, read below or read the article to see it.
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It looks like some of our earlier speculations about events will need a slight revision as they have revealed that the show takes place after the purge of the ISO Algorithms. So that event has already happened and now CLU is on the march to take control of the rest of the grid.
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New article about the show:
http://spinoff.comicbookresources.co...nces-the-grid/ One minor spoiler in the article, read below or read the article to see it. . . .. . . .. . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . It looks like some of our earlier speculations about events will need a slight revision as they have revealed that the show takes place after the purge of the ISO Algorithms. So that event has already happened and now CLU is on the march to take control of the rest of the grid. |
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First episode of the new animated series online HERE.
Me likey what I see so far. Sorta Tron meets Batman Beyond... or maybe more The Mask of Zorro.
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