Sharks Fin

I don't know, he looks cute to me. A lot more so than Felicia, with her cloven feet and thighs twice the size of her waist.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

See, the thing is... I really don't like that design. I don't like the spear tip head, I don't like the traffic cone neck and I REALLY don't like the human ears in there. I get that Mako is supposed to use like a shark, but he looks as much about one as the Orange County Choppers Statue of Liberty bike looks like the Statue of Liberty - he's a guy with physique elements designed to give his head the profile of a shark head. If anything, he looks more like a Krogan.

What bothers me the most is his head looks like it was intended to look like a shark head viewed from below, but the shark's snout is actually the top of his head, with his very human-like face scrunched down to where the mouth would be. It's almost like those shark mascots that have a conical prop shark head with their faces popping out of the shark's open mouth.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Cute things don't bite your head off and eviscerate your intestines...well, a cute thing *can* do that, but then most likely you'd hit the 'cute' and 'humorous' angles to do it...and there's nothing funny about Gallon (well, a nunchaku using werewolf might be...).

Felicia isn't really cute to me either...but then I don't usually associate cute and sexy things together intentionally.

Cute things do that all of the time in anime, and some of the time in horror. Talbain/Gallon is essentially an anime-pretty-boy-werewolf, with his Hollywood I-just-got-out-of-bed-and-my-fur-still-looks-this-good styling. He's not at the look-at-the-cute-monster-that's-gonna-eat-us level that Sasquatch is, but as werewolves go he's pretty cute - cuter than real, older-than-puppies wolves.

I think I've abused the hyphen enough.

Yes, that poor hyphen key...it's rocking itself in the corner muttering something about being violated or nonsense...What did you do, you sick man!!?

But, to me, the points you make are different definitions.

"Hollywood I-just-got-out-of-bed-and-my-fur-still-looks-this-good styling" = Cool, to me. That and the long bushy whisping tail...sort of like the sash of that ninja from the Sega Shinobi series.

"anime-pretty-boy-werewolf" = sexy. If you think of him that way, I'd be more inclined to that description vs cute. Cute implies adorable...like a puppy, a widdle catgirl, a squirtle or a big-eyes-innocent-looking-want-to-huggle type creature. Talbain's eyes are beady and angry looking, he's lean and sharp and he's riddled with muscles...That's not something I'd go around loving and hugging and squeezing and calling him George.

But you want cute werewolves? *fires up google* I'd consider this a cute werewolf



This is a cute werewolf



This is a cute werewolf



This is also a cute werewolf



Woops, wait a minute. Let me try that again...



Heh, I guess the moral is, cute is more than just skin deep. I suppose it has to do with the context of it and there can be overlap.

*shrugs* I like posting example pictures. It's like a game to me

::makes saving throw versus lewd comment::

That's essentially Talbain without pants.

Mind you, I'd like a more... feral wolf head.... Or perhaps "stylised" would be a more appropriate term. One that seemed worthy of that one tail - is it called "ragged"?

One of the first things I actually did with the animal costume pack in the costume creator was to make a Talbain.

This is more like it.

But he's got a big squishy muzzle, cute little eyebrows, softer plushy looking form, soft fluffy ears nearly a quarter the size of its head, even the cute little freckles on his snout where his whiskers are to top it all off. Talbain doesn't really have eyebrows, just a brow, his snout is narrowed and pointy, his body is hard and ridged, he's got huge shoulder and back muscles, his ears are small and pointy and he practically always looks angry. I guess I'm just defending the honor of my fav fighting star character, because he's bad-*** and nothing else...but I guess I'll take it as a compliment that you think my avatar is cute. Thanks Tenz

But I'm sure it's possible to make him out to be cute (I mean, look at my avatar...) but it starts to not look like the original character. The art from the game doesn't look cute.



Nor does he in the anime...



But to me, he's just cool and bad-***, that's about it

As I said, I also like Talbain, but I guess when it comes down to it, I'm just 'defending the honour' of real wolves, as that's what the head you called "cute" seems to be replicating.

With any future animal heads, be they shark or other critters, I'd personally prefer something a bit more stylised than such a direct port of the real life animal. Opinions likely vary wildly on that point, though.

I'm sorry to have to add another vote, here, but as werewolves go that is pretty cutesy. It doesn't help that the way he's posed made it look at first glance like he's carrying an angry plushie purse.

I don't know... That doesn't sound too far off from my own definition of "cute." I find Shuma-Gorath to be pretty cute

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

I think we are working under two different definitions of the word I underlined. Mako -IS- anthropomorphed. He is a humanized shark. That is what that word means, literally: to morph (change) to be human-like. It does not mean, to make it into something with as human a face as possible that totally needs hair and ears.

Then... to me... you did it wrong. A sharkman needs to look like a shark... with 2 arms and 2 legs. It doesn't, I repeat, does NOT need to have it's head reconfigured as much as you seem to indicate. Other things need to change so that when I look at it, I think shark... not puppy. No hair, no trace of human ears... lots of teeth, a fin on it's back and/or head... the images you posted are NOT nor will they ever be sharks to me.


By my definition... there already is one: Mako.

In your opinion... I think many of our animal parts are perfect, if a bit too cute in the recent batch.

And I don't think that goes far enough. A shark head can never have hair if it's done right, or else it isn't a shark.

But real wolves *are* cute! Maybe it's the dog owner in me, but an animal bred for proper survival in the wild just looks beautiful and possibly even cute. Of course, that's just my opinion and while I know wolves are still dangerous animals, they can also be loving and adorable at times.

Of course, this is coming from someone who has been a fan of tigers since he could walk. I think they're cute and cuddly...you wouldn't want to actually cuddle with one but if it were your friend and it doesn't attack you, that's instant cute, in my book.

This isn't a poll.

You can think of whatever you like as cute but all cannon/non-fan depictions of Gallon make him out to be non-cute compared to the other characters in the series, or at least in the general definition of the word. And if we're using comparison to determine what's cute or not, compare him to this:



By your logic, Gallon is very un-cute because he's not even close to Squirtle. So on a scale of cute things, Gallon is not very, probably dang near off the edge on the opposite side of the scale. If we're comparing him to ugly werewolves, then I could agree with you that he's comparatively cute...but I'm sure I could find lots of werewolves cuter than him. I'm sure Sam could help me out there

I wouldn't say 'never'. I'm sure, if you talk to enough artists, at least one might come up with a design that'd have passable hair if all you're trying to do is disprove that absolute.

Heck, it might not even be 'hair'...could be water or scales or fins designed to look like hair for aesthetic purposes.

Huss

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Finally something on this forum worth getting behind, Shark details are a must. Could we also get roll back white eyes when we attack.

P.S would also like some Orca, Squid head, Thresher Tail, Hammerhead parts also.

Yes, we are. What you're describing is a barely adapted animal character, which to me is not "antrhopomorphic" in the practical sense, it's only adapted enough to be able to walk on two legs. To me, this is not enough, because that's not the sort of character I want. I'm sure it may be the sort of character you like, but arguing what SHOULDN'T be added is not a good strategy, as far as I'm concerned.

No hair, no ears, no fun. I simply don't think direct adaptations of animal heads are viable, which is why I'm always pushing for anthropomorphic heads that are usable with existing head details. If I want a shark with hair, with a hat, with reading glasses or with a half-helmet, that's a lot more customization that just a straight-up "animal head" of a shark. I'm sure you disagree, but that still puts you in no position to tell me I'm doing it wrong.

They're perfect for animal characters, not so perfect for anthropomorphic ones. None of the animal heads we got from the Animal pack are usable with hair, none of them can have human-like face accessories and pretty much none of them appear able to close their mouths. These look like stuffed animal heads, with the bovine one expressing about as much emotion as a disembodied cow head, with its herbivore vacant stare and eyes on the side of the head.

I'm not interested in making animal characters that happen to walk on two legs, personally. I'm interested in making humanoid characters whose personalities are not wholly contained within the quirks of the animal they represent. I want animal faces that look like they at least COULD be expressive and animal heads that could use at least some of the same accessories we can use on our human heads. If you'll notice, one of the sharks heads I linked to had reading glasses. I want that.

So call it something else. I want an anthropomorphic human head with a shark snout and shark teeth. As I started out saying the very first time I quoted, I don't like sharks or fish in general and I wouldn't like a direct port of a shark head. Neither, for that matter, would I be interested in an "adapted" head like Makos. If a head can't have hair, I have almost no use for it.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

I don't think the wolf head is cute, it just looks like a wolf. For as much as I respect Leo and his Darkstalkers werewolf, that guy's exaggerated for dramatic effect. Yes, a wolf in full snarl mode would indeed be scary, probably more so than the Monster heads we have, but again - it'd be a wolf head. John Talban doesn't really have a wolf head. He has a head that looks like it came from a wolf, but it's much more expressive and the fur on the neck looks kind of like hair.

That's actually my problem with animal heads as direct ports: Animal faces aren't expressive. I'm not saying animals can't express emotion - they very much can. They just achieve this through body language and behaviour much more so than direct facial expression, at least not in the way we'd recognise as humans. That's why I really have very little use for direct ports of animal heads - they look unexpressive and the characters behind them thus look less like characters and more like bipedal version of those same animals. Neither a wolf nor a shark can exactly smile, for instance.

The wolf head is fine. If anything, it's just far too small, especially for women.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

As long as the ears and hair are optional, I don't care if they exist. But I strongly agree on the subject of head details. I'd love to put glasses or goggles or a variety of horns on existing monstrous/animal heads. Regular human heads with animal muzzles would be about the only way they'd achieve this, I think. And given clipping issues, I further think the muzzle would have to be a Detail in the same section as beards and such. Of course, since there is unfortunately still no "none" option in the Ears section, those would be bound to annoy me, but que sera...

In short, I think you need to stop calling it that.. because what you mean is a very specific sub-set of the definition that is most commonly known.

This. There's a difference between anthropomorphic and furry. The current animal heads fit into the former category because they are more animal than human.

We don't need people dictating definitions and setting boundaries. Seriously, what you call 'anthropomorphic' others will call furry and so on.

When it comes down to costume parts for this game, however, I'd aim for as many shortcuts as possible. Like was mentioned by Tenz, snouts as details would cover this painlessly. Varying the shape and offering textures like fur, scales, and slick would go a long way.

Another is adding certain details to certain categories...I never understood why the devs couldn't chop the animal head in half and stick the front part inside of a hood. Probably wouldn't work for the bird heads but the lizard, dog and cat heads don't seem much wider than a regular face.

But just on my opinion, the definition of anthropomorphic is blurry. Because it's a blanket statement, it encompasses many varieties of hybrids. My personal definitions within anthro, though:

[blank]-people = cat-girls, bunny-boys, etc. Tend to blend certain features (ears, tails, whiskers, fangs, nails/claws, hair) yet keeping the form as human as possible.

Animal Morphs = General term but since the subject is people with animal features, think of animal morphs as how you'd do in photoshop class, blending 2 pictures of creatures into one and name it after both. This is what we have with the animal heads in CoX, basically dog/cat/cow/lizard pasted onto a human. The wolf head makes a wolf-human animal morph. etc.

Hybrids = Because the term describes a more natural blend of two things, not resembling one more than the other...it's a 'new' creation. Hybrids are what Sam is talking about and there can be different levels of hybrid depending how unique you want the results. You don't want it to look like a shark glued onto a human body nor a human with face paint and gills. The results may not look like a shark because it *isn't* a shark, it's a hybrid.

Furry = is not a category of anthropomorphism. Furry is a fandom. Bugs Bunny is not a furry. Balto isn't a furry. Gallon isn't a furry. But furries can latch onto them in their fandom. To me, a furry is such a fan of a certain style of character, they make, see, imagine or saturate nearly everything around them as such. Because a furry doesn't have to favor hybrids or animal morphs or personified ferals (think a normal looking hamster that tells jokes). A furry enjoys many or all of these things.

I agree with this post. I have 2 dogs an Alaskan Mau and a Siberian Husky. Both are beautiful and cute, till a stranger comes near a member for the pack, our children in particular. Then the cute gets put on a shelf, and the clear ability and intent to do damage comes out. Sibs are about as close to wolf as you can get in a domestic brees, in fact mine looks a lot like the head from the animal pack.

Cute can change to horror real fast with animals.

Please don't try to dictate definitions for me when you know perfectly fine what I mean. Trying to dismiss my suggestions by presenting them as some niche unwanted offshoot of the much broader concept you claim to be a fan of helps no-one when you are, in fact, arguing for FEWER options.

As Tenzhi suggests, I want to see ears and hair as optional attributes, so that you can have your bald, head-fin shark and I can have my hair-having, glasses-wearing shark if I want to. The more customization options and variability there is, the better.

Turning this into a semantic debate and an ideological one is not productive. Arguing what you don't want me to have is not productive. If you want to draw your vision of anthropomorphic characters from myth and legend, that's fine. I draw mine from cartoons and video games, and that's what I want to see.

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I figure I should add this: Are you suggesting that I'm disagreeing with your interpretation of shark heads because they don't conform to my definition of what "anthropomorphic" means? Because I'm not. I'm using the term to explain the visual aesthetic I want and the visual aesthetic I find insufficient. If you don't like my terminology, imagine I'm saying "enraged kumquat" every time I type "anthropomorphic." You know what I mean. It doesn't matter what I call it.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.