Dark Armor the new Nemesis Plot?

CoF is the only expensive toggle in the set. Its other, more standard armor toggles are cheaper than normal.

Putting aside that Staff isn't as good for scrappers as it is for other three melee ATs (IMO), what I think is going on is a lot of lethal attacks (swords and guns) have -def, and destroy your Guarded Spin faster than you can stack it up. It wouldn't hurt DA to gain some def debuff resistance, perhaps in CoD, and I would like to see def debuff resistance available through IOs and Pools too. But that doesn't help you now. The only other thing that would help is getting close to the def cap, but that isn't really possible for a level 27 scrapper.

Once you get to 32, the resistance buff from Sky Splitter should solve the -def problem. However, that means using FoB instead of FoS, which means turning off toggles.

Oh, gee, thanks, yeah, because I'm known for purposefully trying to corrupt data when all I have to go off are my own personal experiences and perceptions, and the fact that I find my /Dark scrapper to be annoyingly squishy at times...

*sigh* One of those mornings...

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Yeah. I was half tempted to re-roll him as a /WP Scrapper, because those are pretty much idiot proof (and when it comes to builds and numbers I ain't in the top 10% >_< ), or to slot him more like a Brute (Acc and End red in attacks)

The Tank builds shown look awesome, but then again I'm not an uber fan of Tank damage. My Invul/Energy is solid as a rock, and can punch stuff pretty well, but it's slow going. Soloing the missions in DA without the NPC aid, while satisfying, also took a helluva long time

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

That looks pretty similar to a few of the builds I was poking around at, but to me the point of running a toon is to enjoy playing it lvl 1-50, the 50+ play is icing on the cake, not the 'meat and potato's'. Granted my view on how to win this game is fill every slot on every server with lvl 50's and poof, you win. That build does look interesting and did give me a few things to 'take home with me' but the game states "you don't have to have IO's to play it, and that the game was not made harder because of IO's" - or something like that, funny I think they do need to make the game harder to be honest but I digress. Ty for the look it was definately worth the time!

As you were

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One man's dinner is another man's bait.

A /WP Scrapper really is not a good way to get the best out of Staff. WP doesn't benefit from +recharge, so FoM isn't very useful; it's quite good for endurance, so FoS isn't very useful; and FoB, well, Build Up would be better...

Yup, Dark/Staff tank is awesome. No survivability issues there! Staff/Dark stalker looks pretty interesting too, I'm going to give it a try and see if I can afford the end. You might try Fire/Staff tank. That's pretty awesome too, with decent damage. Recolour the flames black!

Okay! I stand corrected - that is one build that makes me say Wow, that might be fun to play!!!


(Note - your better off putting Miracle Heal and Miracle proc in Health - and moving the Numina's proc to Physical Perfection)


Thanks for the response.

Not at all, as previously stated my first lvl 50 toon was a Spine/Dark Scrapper - Which was pre Mid's days as well - (not to mention pre reduced debt - and you had to walk to the hollows and run away from lvl 20 troll mobs - in the snow - barefoot - up hill - both ways.

I do take your point and meaning though. Having a viable build @ lvl 50 is usually what I am looking for in mids. Enjoying game play with the toon (lvl 22-50 in this case) without SO's on Dark your an out of breath walking debt badge - is actually kind of what I am getting at - granted it doesn't seem to get much better @ lvl 35 thus far - unless I want to spend oodles of infl on IO sets that I will probably replace 1/2 of when I get to 47. Given that now days if you play a toon regularly it doesn't take very long to go from 35-50 that seems fairly ineffcient.

LOL @ this. Yeah, as you say whatever. I didn't like fire armor either... deleted several tanks that were lvl 40+ before they 'fixed' it. Brutes weren't invented yet. As someone else pointed out - You don't see Dark Armor around - So I figured I'd take another look at it. In the process I figured I'd see what the feeling was about Dark Armor - ie. why people didn't play it much. I guess I got my answer - Because people don't like it. Thanks!

Peace! have a great morning/evening/night

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The man who knows he knows nothing, really knows.

Do not presume to speak for others when all you can do is speak for yourself.

Several have already indicated in this thread that they like the set. Do you speak for them when you say "people don't like it"?

o.O WP...crumple...to Psi?

Open your eyes and look around... do you see people using dark armor? (other then having it farmed to lvl 50 so they can make their 'Ultra builds") I haven't seen a single Dark Amor toon in ages (nother reason I wanted to look at it again).

Here's the build I'm currently using. Might as well put it up so you guys can get a good laugh.

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.956
http://www.cohplanner.com/

Door is Ajar: Level 35 Technology Tanker
Primary Power Set: Dark Armor
Secondary Power Set: Ice Melee
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Flight

Hero Profile:
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Level 1: Death Shroud Acc-I(A), Acc-I(3), EndRdx-I(3), EndRdx-I(23), EndRdx-I(25)
Level 1: Frozen Fists Acc-I(A), Acc-I(5), Dmg-I(5)
Level 2: Dark Embrace S'fstPrt-ResKB(A), ResDam-I(7), ResDam-I(7), ResDam-I(19), EndRdx-I(21), EndRdx-I(21)
Level 4: Murky Cloud S'fstPrt-ResKB(A), ResDam-I(9), ResDam-I(9), ResDam-I(11), EndRdx-I(19), EndRdx-I(23)
Level 6: Obsidian Shield EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(11)
Level 8: Dark Regeneration Acc-I(A), RechRdx-I(13), EndRdx-I(13), EndRdx-I(34)
Level 10: Ice Sword Acc-I(A), Acc-I(15), Dmg-I(34)
Level 12: Cloak of Darkness EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(15)
Level 14: Super Speed EndRdx-I(A)
Level 16: Combat Jumping Krma-ResKB(A)
Level 18: Kick Acc-I(A)
Level 20: Ice Patch EndRdx-I(A)
Level 22: Tough ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(25), ResDam-I(27), EndRdx-I(27), EndRdx-I(29)
Level 24: Cloak of Fear Acc-I(A), Acc-I(29), EndRdx-I(31), EndRdx-I(31)
Level 26: Oppressive Gloom Acc-I(A), Acc-I(31)
Level 28: Taunt Acc-I(A), Acc-I(33)
Level 30: Build Up RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(33)
Level 32: Soul Transfer RechRdx-I(A)
Level 35: Fly EndRdx-I(A)
Level 38: [Empty]
Level 41: [Empty]
Level 44: [Empty]
Level 47: [Empty]
Level 49: [Empty]
Level 1: Brawl Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush Run-I(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 4: Swift Run-I(A)
Level 4: Health Heal-I(A), Heal-I(17), Heal-I(17)
Level 4: Hurdle Jump-I(A)
Level 4: Stamina EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(33), EndMod-I(34)
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Set Bonus Totals:
Knockback (Mag -12)
Knockup (Mag -12)






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Sorry, did not mean it as an insult. I just noticed that you posted incorrect information and it was already corrected, which is one of the things I'd have done if I got to the thread sooner.


This can be turned off, you know.

For what it's worth I see lots of dark armor characters running around on Protector, at different levels even, not just 50s.

For all it's worth, I have leveled no less than six Dark Armor characters myself and provided countless emails, PMs, and thread replies of leveling builds and build advice to other people playing Dark Armor. People play the set, people enjoy the set, and people excel with the set. The OP doesn't, and decides that based on a build he mucked up in Mids.

Until the OP can come up with quantifiable proof that Dark Armor is in need of some kind of overhaul, I'm going to ignore the baseless statements he keeps trying to make.

My point is that "fun" can't really be quantified by the raw stats. Even if you're looking for functionality, Mids can't always give a fair picture of what can be done with a set. A set can look bad on paper and be awesome in application. Some sets take more skill to use than others, and those are generally the ones that look bad on paper.

for yourself right, not everyone else

No, it can be turned off. The No Fade or Pulse option does not hide your costume.

When was the last time you used Dark Armor? 'cause it's nowhere NEAR as obscuring as it was. In fact, the effect was kinda hard to see last time I played with it. And I hadn't changed anything from default.

I've built a Dark Armor or two. That tank is currently level 27 and cruising along nicely, mostly soloing. (Staff's damage is NOT as terrible as people would have you believe)

Yes.

I'm not 100% positive, but I believe it adds enhancement value to each power. It does do it globally though, it's lowering the end cost of Tough as well as the in-set powers.

However, due to the nature of the bonus coming as a secondary effect of a power set, it will NOT be subject to ED (because it is not actually enhancement value)


I'm well aware of Dark Armor's drawbacks. As good as it can be built it wouldn't be fair if it didn't have some significant ones.

Furthermore, I'm experienced at playing Dark Armor, and because of that I can make that build perform every bit as awesome as it looks on paper. I keep my defenses monitored at all times so I can pop a Luck or two if I start getting debuffed, and I keep a couple greens on hand in case I don't have anything in range of my heal.

My build in particular requires understanding exactly what Dark Armor is and isn't good at to leverage its strengths.

I'm not trying to say Dark Armor doesn't have flaws. I'm just saying those flaws aren't nearly as crippling as some people insist they are.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

My favorite brute is a claws/dark. Heck, he's pretty close to my favorite melee man. I also have a DB/DA scrapper I've been toying with to see how the synergies work there, I've been thinking of re-rolling my old FA brute demon into a TW/DA, aaaaaaaaaand at some point I really want to try a DA stalker for giggles.

Blood Widow Ricki * Tide Shifter * T-34 * Opposite Reaction * Shaolin Midnight * ChernobylCheerleader

Entropy Legion * Hyperion Force * Hero Heights

That goes for me as well. I slotted the Theft of Essence proc, the Miracle proc, and a Performance Shifter proc as soon as I could get the A-merits for them, and my claws/dark's been rolling ever since. Admittedly, that still means using IOs, but I'd be hesitant to not grab end mod procs first chance I had if I was rolling an Inv or SD too.

Blood Widow Ricki * Tide Shifter * T-34 * Opposite Reaction * Shaolin Midnight * ChernobylCheerleader

Entropy Legion * Hyperion Force * Hero Heights