Smoke Flash - What's the deal?


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As Stalkers are generally Single Target specialists, it would seem like Smoke flash would be a shockingly effective mitigation tool. Way back in the day i feel like it got written off because it doesn't hide you, so it doesn't give you the opportunity for an AS, but looking at it now, it seems like it would essentially function as an AoE sleep, no? So long as you are only attacking a specific target, the rest will stay non aggroed?


 

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It is an aoe placate..but without 'placating.' That is, you cant use it on a mob, then expect to instantly fire an aoe at them, and get crits. They just lose aggro to you.

Slot it with one acc, one rech, and its an awesome panic button.


 

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Originally Posted by Microcosm View Post
Dont waste the power pick, just get the temp power that is almost identical.
This. Of the three cool things offered in nin, the one I was able to fit in was blinding powder. I love the idea of the power, but found that in later levels it just didn't work well.


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Originally Posted by Zyphoid View Post
This. Of the three cool things offered in nin, the one I was able to fit in was blinding powder. I love the idea of the power, but found that in later levels it just didn't work well.
Blinding Powder is awesome, simply because it can fit the delicious confuse purple set.


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Broken Powers must stay Broken.

Why Smoke Flash for */Nin Stalkers can't work (more) like Smoke Flash for Ninja/* Masterminds is a bit beyond me.


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I prefer Blinding Powder.. Smoke Flash? Not so much. The best panic button is to just run away.


What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.

 

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I always used it as a... pre-emptive panic button. As Motley_Cruel, more like a Sleep power. Jump in, hit Smoke Flash once the enemies are gathered up, then beat on them one by one. It was nice for cutting down the incoming fire while I picked off the heavy hitters. Which is still a very situational thing, especially on a two minute timer, double-especially if you're softcapped, but I never considered it a totally wasted power pick.


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Hmm ... there is something to be said for using Smoke Flash while Hidden before an Assassin Strike as a way to prevent a retaliatory Alpha Strike from an "awakened" group of hostiles. Could it be that we've been "doing it wrong" all this time?


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Well i found great use for it when i am doing bomb disposal type things....and also when solo and going against large groups.

What i do is go in...assassin strike the target then use smoke flash and get the heck out.

Only problem with it...is that it doesnt hit everything all the time...and its range isnt that great...so you need to know your escape route...lest you aggro more enemies.

Redlynne also has a valid point.

On those you need to click the object things....nothing stopping you from using the smoke flash then clicking the object...in fact most of the time your hide will kick back in before they become hostile thus never becoming hostile to you.

One other usage....is on iTrials and missions where your entire team is getting hit alot....you can smoke flash and get rid of some ofthe unwanted aggro.
Works not too bad on the bahavior adjustment facility if you start getting rings or the BCUs and other ADDs start targeting you.

Doesnt seam to help on the Underground Trial(i am refering to the being targeted thing)....and on the Keyes Trial....well it makes Anitmatter not attack you for a little bit sometimes....but it looks more like Antimatter ignores it.
Oh and on the TPN trial.....nope...Mealstrom wills till do his teleport kick and get you...and if you are within one of the fields....the protestors and the psionic users will still attack as well....did hope it might work.

hmmm...also doesnt work on Hamidon or his mitochondria.

Works on the Crystal Titan but his attack is an area of effect...so best to not be infront of him.

I have had mixed results with monsters....so not sure what to say except placate works better with monsters i find.


 

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ive tried to make use of it but ive never really seen it be effective at all, blinding powder is much more effective in terms of mitigation

personally ive ended up just skipping it every time as it has been of no use to me


 

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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master View Post
ive tried to make use of it but ive never really seen it be effective at all, blinding powder is much more effective in terms of mitigation

personally ive ended up just skipping it every time as it has been of no use to me
Well blinding powder with its 5 targets getting a negative to hit and not spoiling hide and sometimes might confuse a target is a good power.

Its a very good premptive attack...but it wont let you use it on a group and be able to compeltely be ignored when you hit a click item....nor does it completely stop things chasing you.

But i understand how you feel...
I myself am a more need a bag of tricks type player so for me i have the blinding powder as well as the smoke flash.

And weirdly i am on the opposite spectrum never found a big use for the blinding powder...as its -tohit was like 5% and it always seamed to miss and never confused much of anything no matter how many times i used it but thats just my opinion and also based on how I personaly tried to use it.

But i still have it..as it can contribute to a teams success.
Which in my opinion stalkers dont have alot of stuff for teams and that makes it important.

Heck i have recall friend too...took it at level 4


 

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Not a fan of Smoke Flash. Takes too long to come in, and doesn't stop everyone from attacking you.

Truth be told, once you get the Stalker ATO proc, you have no need for Placate or Smoke Bomb. Just take Kuji-In Retsu and laugh as they try to hit you.

And regarding Blinding Powder, I usually slot it for ToHit Debuffs instead of Confusion. I'd like it more when they can't hit me rather than hitting each other. I'm the only one allowed to beat em up, not them!