Converters only through Reward Merits in last patch (Mar 20)


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Originally Posted by ItsJustJake View Post
How exactly do the converters work?
They make a set IO for instance Decimation Acc/Dam into a Decimation Dam/Rec for a small cost, or any other set IO outside of that set like a LOTG Defense for a bit more cost.


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Originally Posted by SwellGuy View Post
I honestly thought they would sell converters in the Paragon Market. I am a bit surprised.
They are available on BETA for AM's, EM's, HM's AND RM's. On live now only RM's.


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Originally Posted by dougnukem View Post
Seems fair enough to me...Reward Merits are still easy enough to get....or are people no longer running TFs, SSA arcs, heck even regular story arcs anymore? Sure you can get a decent amount from Super Packs, but there are numerous ways to get them in game easily too.
Super Packs are far and beyond the fastest way to get lots of Reward Merits.

The weekly SSA and WST are the next fastest.

Then a daily double Incarnate TF (Apex and Tim Mage) for 80 Merits in an hour.

The Repeatable missions in DA used to be 150 Merits and hour when you learned how to game the choices. But today's patch made the unlimited 5 Merit reward into a 2 per day with a 1 Merit unlimited thereafter and closed that exploit.


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Originally Posted by Steele_Magnolia View Post
I don't care how many converters it takes... I'm happy to say "screw you" to the power marketeers who dominate the market.
Are you familiar with the expression cutting off the nose to spite the face?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutting...spite_the_face

I only ask because of your assertion that you don't care how many converters it takes. At a certain point it would become that.


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Originally Posted by SwellGuy View Post
I honestly thought they would sell converters in the Paragon Market. I am a bit surprised.
Well, a Super Pack is 80 points or less, and on average contains, what, about 50 reward merits? So, even if we pretend there's nothing else in the super packs at all, they wouldn't be able to sell converters for much more than 10 points apiece. Far less, once you consider the value of the other stuff in the packs. I think they maybe looked at that and thought "whatever, anyone who has points and wants converters will just buy super packs".


 

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I do get the frustration of folks who have a large bank of Astral or Empyrean merits and can't yet spend them on this, but as long as it comes along in the next few weeks, I have hard time being angry about it.

I'm fairly cynical, but I am not sure it follows that this is a ploy to get people to buy Super Packs for merits to fuel these conversions with. Could it be? Yeah. But if you don't want to do that, just wait. Why wait?

(1) If you wanted to do this to make in-game Inf on the market, so does everyone and their dog's fleas. You probably won't make what you were hoping to, because prices are diving.
(2) If you wanted to do this because you wanted access to things that were wildly expensive by your standards, prices are diving. Try to buy them outright and skip converting for now.

Prices will likely rise after the initial glut caused by tons of people doing the same thing at the same time. Over time, this crescendo of conversions will become a background hum. The bargain prices will rise to some higher level (still lower than before) and it will become less attractive to buy and more attractive to sell than it will for the next week or so.


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Originally Posted by Hopeling View Post
I think they maybe looked at that and thought "whatever, anyone who has points and wants converters will just buy super packs".
Then why bother to code then into BETA for AM's, EM's and HM's?


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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei View Post
Then why bother to code then into BETA for AM's, EM's and HM's?
To test it?

Everything on beta at any given time does not always go live with the next patch. See: Beast Mastery and Staff Fighting, which have been on Beta since before I22 went live.


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I apologize if it was not abundantly clear from my wording, but I was saying "the people who have points and want to spend them to obtain converters".

So, obtaining them with other kinds of merits (and, for that matter, with RMs from things other than super packs) would be for the people who want converters, but don't want to spend points to obtain them.


 

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Originally Posted by Zombie Man View Post
I was unlucky in getting to the proc. Burning 3 at a time eats through *a lot* of Reward Merits.

But apparently some people have *lots and lots* of Reward Merits. Good for them. Make cheap Purples and PvP procs. Make them like the wind!!!
I know I had a lot. I bought 1 24 pack of super boosters and had more merits than I knew what to do with.


 

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Originally Posted by UberGuy View Post
To test it?

Everything on beta at any given time does not always go live with the next patch. See: Beast Mastery and Staff Fighting, which have been on Beta since before I22 went live.
NOBODY said they did so why even make that stupid arsey snarky statement?

ATO's and how they introduced them in Ouro and other ways was the standard and they did in fact set a standard for these things for AM's, EM's, HM's, RM's and other ways ALL at the same time. Rolling them out for only one merit way is not the standard is the point as well as hearing from the devs as to what the actual reason is, like they did for this issue at I22.

Dev communication on the issue is ALL that is requested, not forumites possible speculative justifications.


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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei View Post
NOBODY said they did so why even make that stupid arsey snarky statement?
Seriously, you need to take a walk or something.

I made that statement because you asked a question for which it was the obvious answer. I'm sorry that's not apparent to you. Snark was not intended whatsoever.


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Originally Posted by Zombie Man View Post
Ahh .. OK. I'd need to get a pvp io before I could use it, in any case. But I could buy a 'cheap' purple, and hope for a good random pick?


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This is a known issue (we'll be updating the known issue list shortly with this and a few other things) and is currently slated to be addressed in the next patch.

Thanks!


Andy Belford
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Thanks for the heads-up, Zwil. Freaky bug, but good to have word that it wasn't intentional (for nefarious reasons or not ).


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Originally Posted by EU_Damz View Post
10 single converts used and majority are "good" with me also getting the pancea proc + shield wall proc x) Happy days for me
I had much better luck with out-of-set conversions than I did with in-set conversions. Twelve randoms on one character got me 2 Panacea procs, and another ten got me a GA and SW unique. It's the in-set conversions that somehow feel way more like a sucker bet, which makes me wonder about the weightings.

There's not much to be mad about, objectively, since I pretty much made back everything I spent getting purples and pvpo's with two GA sales for a billion each early on, and have a ton of purples and PVPs to convert over time, to trick out my characters. I don't need the fake monies, since I have more than I can spend already. I'm really just disappointed that this is twice I looked for the roll-out on these, and twice that it didn't go as I expected it would.

My own fault, and ultimately, my own lack of perspective. When I'm the angriest person in a thread, it's time for me to take a break from the forums for a while.


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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei View Post
NOBODY said they did so why even make that stupid arsey snarky statement?

ATO's and how they introduced them in Ouro and other ways was the standard and they did in fact set a standard for these things for AM's, EM's, HM's, RM's and other ways ALL at the same time. Rolling them out for only one merit way is not the standard is the point as well as hearing from the devs as to what the actual reason is, like they did for this issue at I22.

Dev communication on the issue is ALL that is requested, not forumites possible speculative justifications.
You need to learn to relax. You're now starting to be snarky to folks who don't at all mean to be snarky to you when they give info.

Just saying.


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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia View Post
You need to learn to relax. You're now starting to be snarky to folks who don't at all mean to be snarky to you when they give info.

Just saying.
Actually, it appeared to me that DK was asking a rhetorical question in response to Hopeling. UG answered the rhetorical question as if it was a "real" question... which led to a slight misunderstanding.
In all actuality UG was making DK's point, which I understood to be, 'Why else would they code and test something, if they didn't intend to implement it?' (rhetorical). Which Zwill has answered with, 'Indeed, it will be implemented'.

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Just an added update: I just got 3 of these as drops in a lvl 50 missions with lvl 52 mobs, set at 2/8. Obviously, not something to base it all on, but a small starting point.


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Originally Posted by Impish Kat View Post
In all actuality UG was making DK's point, which I understood to be, 'Why else would they code and test something, if they didn't intend to implement it?' (rhetorical).
Well, that's why I mentioned things that have been on Beta for testing and didn't go live, even though other things "around" them did.

In the past, I think we had a fairly consistent experience that stuff that was on Test proceed on to live servers as a monolithic set of features. So if it was on Test, and what was on Test went live, everything that was on Test was going to go to live. At least I can't remember exceptions to that. But lately that definitely hasn't been true of Beta, for whatever reasons. Today's patch isn't the first time it's happened, so I would definitely recommend that people not make assumptions about whether everything on Beta at any given time will go live all together.

The feature under discussion was apparently not intentional, but Staff would be an example of something that's on Beta but hasn't gone live.


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Originally Posted by ItsJustJake View Post
Ahh .. OK. I'd need to get a pvp io before I could use it, in any case. But I could buy a 'cheap' purple, and hope for a good random pick?
Yes. You can. Unfortunately for you, many people knew that Converters were coming and all the cheap Purples in the Consignment House were scooped up.

The good news is that even though the really cheap Purples are gone, it also means that there will be more good ones being made, which drives down the price at the high end.

This also means that you can change any Purple drop you don't need into one you do need.

Besides Purple conversion, you can change an ATO drop into the one your AT can use. Or, you can change a level 50 Doctored Wounds into a level 50 Numina's in just one jump since there are no other Heal sets in that range to convert to. Or buy a cheap level 15 Celetity:End and change it into a level 15 Celerity:+Stealth (which used to go for 150 million in the Market) in relatively few tries since there are only 3 in the set.


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Originally Posted by UberGuy View Post
If you wanted to do this because you wanted access to things that were wildly expensive by your standards, prices are diving. Try to buy them outright and skip converting for now.
I did this so that I can outfit some level 50s. I also know that lower prices will not stay lower, so I have some for a future hedge. Well, that and I have a number of Controllers & Dominators that can use the formerly "cheap" purples.




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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
This is a known issue and is slated to be addressed in the next patch.

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That's what the last patch said. >_>
I think this is really what has miffed me about this entire deal. They said they didn't go into I22 because of it (bug)and now the next patch to then just enable it for RM's which is the best scenario only for the people buying Supergamble Packs with tons of RM's hanging around sucks.

UG I misunderstood as impish said and I am sorry.


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The assumptions people were making were EXTREMELY well founded when they are based directly on the devs communication to us. Look at this post from Positron on this issue. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...35#post4022035

He is not indicating in ANYWAY that there would be some piecemeal releasing of the methods used to obtain these things. He is also going out of his way to say it will be balanced and NOT unfair to certain groups which was the entire purpose of his thread since they put their foot in it the first time around.

The way he presents it is like an entire feature to have them available for purchase via various methods. They should NOT have released them for purchase only for RM's which like it or not favors the people that bought Supergamble packs and/or have a strategy of hoarding RM's leaving people that hoard AM's, EM's and HM's "for the same purpose" in the cold.

And before someone points out the subject to change part please don't. The reality is if they had planned on releasing them piecemeal as a strategy that changed that would in fact be defeating the ENTIRE flow of what he was addressing in the post in the first place which was equality of ways to purchase them.


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