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Originally Posted by Agent White
I honestly don't get the logic where 2 astrals and 1 emp is considered equal enough, getting the astrals feels like a complete jip.
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It's exactly like the salvage table rewards.
You're most likely to get a common, then an uncommon which is better, then a rare which is better than that and lastly the least likely is a very rare which is the best.
On the merit reward table, you're most likely to get 2 astrals, but you might get the better emp instead if you're lucky.
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Bad arc design and bugged. You shouldn't get the choice to skip missions in an arc. And then his contact progress bar doesn't fill out. It's like they half-***** it and slapped it in without any thought behind it. I didn't get a component drop either on beta or live for Max's arc. Both times I ran all the missions and cleared every enemy.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
If Max isn't giving a reward table the first time through while collecting the three Malta, then it's a bug, because he did every time I did it in Beta and I ran through the whole set of arcs about 10 times in Beta.
In Ouroboros, Max's arc is not an arc, but four separate one-off missions. So, no reward table there. |
EDIT: Perhaps doing more with Max is on the books for later updates....
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No it doesn't. Trust me. I collected the three Malta many, many, MANY times. I've never gotten a reward table. I heard that a long time ago, in very early beta it gave a reward table, but it hasn't *at least* since they opened it up to the general VIP population.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
If you collect the 3 Malta, it does.
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Just spend a few hours doing all of Max's missions across four characters.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
If you collect the 3 Malta, it does.
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The arc does not give a reward.
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Originally Posted by Roderick
The Midnighter Club only has ONE crystal, and it's tuned specifically to Cimerora and doesn't go anywhere else. I suppose they could re-tune it to be a normal crystal if they wanted, but I still doubt that they'd be willing to give away their only crystal.
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If you read the letter at the end of the ITF he suggests that *HE* was the one who gave them their crystal (and since *HE* is the founder of the Midnighter Club, that's probably true), he could simply have a second crystal lying around - or he could, if he wanted to, take it by force.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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I suspect they set it intentionally low so they could increase it to where they want it later. Someone's sig put it best - "if the game gave out $20 bills, people would complain the serial numbers weren't sequential. If it made them sequential, they would complain they weren't random enough". The devs know they're going to have to adjust it, by setting it low they have room to increase it later and don't run the risk of angering the playerbase if they have to reduce it. Sick? Maybe. But not entirely illogical.
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If only they would have beta tested it then they wouldn't have to toy with it while it was live.
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Originally Posted by Grendar
I suspect they set it intentionally low so they could increase it to where they want it later.
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They did |
Originally Posted by Ogi
If only they would have beta tested it
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That is exactly the opposite of what I saw in Beta. I ran through 5 times and collected all the Malta but got no reward table.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
If Max isn't giving a reward table the first time through while collecting the three Malta, then it's a bug, because he did every time I did it in Beta and I ran through the whole set of arcs about 10 times in Beta.
In Ouroboros, Max's arc is not an arc, but four separate one-off missions. So, no reward table there. |
Not running through Ouro, running through the actual DA contact.
All of my runs were on a Hero. Perhaps it's different for villains.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
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Nope. Two of my three runs were on a rogue.
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
That is exactly the opposite of what I saw in Beta. I ran through 5 times and collected all the Malta but got no reward table.
Not running through Ouro, running through the actual DA contact. All of my runs were on a Hero. Perhaps it's different for villains. |
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Originally Posted by Ogi
If only they would have beta tested it then they wouldn't have to toy with it while it was live.
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Wouldn't matter. This is about public perception, not accurate numbers. If they set the numbers where they wanted them, people would complain they were too low and they would have to either ignore the complaining masses or raise the numbers higher than they wanted them to be. If they set them on the low end of acceptable and then raise them later, both sides get what they want. They're just being cautious, by starting the numbers out low any changes they have to make are positive, which is very important considering they're trying to use this as a system to convince the F2P crowd to subscribe. Like I said, it's a little sick but not illogical.
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They were told, rather decisively, during the beta that the rewards were disastrously low. What was the point of all the people grinding through DA for no other point than generating data points if the devs disregard the data points?|
Originally Posted by Grendar
They're just being cautious, by starting the numbers out low any changes they have to make are positive, which is very important considering they're trying to use this as a system to convince the F2P crowd to subscribe. Like I said, it's a little sick but not illogical.
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And yes, it is better for appearances to start low and increase, but start too low and you poison the well.
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No. Right now it's bugged.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
If you collect the 3 Malta, it does.
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Originally Posted by Judas_Ace
Just part of the continuing schizophrenia of CoH. You've got a player base that clearly and unquestionably wants solo rewards at a reasonable rate, but you've got a design team, particularly Positron, who seem s like they'd rather be designing for the WoW hardcore raiding crowd than their actual customers.
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having played WoW. Umm No, not even close the difference between Itrials and WoW Raids is extensive. For that comparison to even begin to work IO sets would have to be shut off during Itrials, and every new Issue that came out would remove all your Incarnate Abilities/Currency/Slots.|
Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
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Then every single Trial would be *easily* failable if one person did not do the exact movements right or if a single prisoner escaped, and each Boss would only drop 3 Merits that the entire group would have to fight over, oh and those Merits would only be usable by 1 class so there is a chance that for your 20 minutes of work you get absolutely nothing.
Honestly +3 in about a Month is not entirely bad considering that those Incarnate abilities will never become useless, and is quite faster than someone could get fully IOed Soloing without spending money on the AH.
after...3 or 4 commons, I just went with the Incarnate Merits and ended up getting 2 Empyreans.
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I'm not that discouraged by the pace of the rewards... granted, I've never raced to 50 so my expectation on leveling rate differs from many. I just hope they continue to add to the story that's available to the non-trial-player*... maybe even go back and look at the Praetoria arcs again. I can easily see an incarnate story arc that could accompany each trial "framing" that trial in more context while remaining independent of it. |
Originally Posted by ryu_planeswalker
Honestly +3 in about a Month is not entirely bad considering that those Incarnate abilities will never become useless, and is quite faster than someone could get fully IOed Soloing without spending money on the AH.
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*I prefer not to use the phrase "solo player"- I team with my wife and a few friends. I just don't have any interest in spending my time in the large-team events, where I've always felt the game's strengths start to fall apart and its limitations start to become more apparent.
honestly I kind of like how DA works for Incarnate Content, the soloers get a bunch of arcs that lead up to a trial to end the story..My only complaint is that after Dream Doctor's arc there should have been a Task Force to set up for the DD Itrial.
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Just chiming in to also say--ran the whole arc last night and no rewards.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
If you collect the 3 Malta, it does.
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Originally Posted by ryu_planeswalker
honestly I kind of like how DA works for Incarnate Content, the soloers get a bunch of arcs that lead up to a trial to end the story..My only complaint is that after Dream Doctor's arc there should have been a Task Force to set up for the DD Itrial.
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A task force would be OK, but I don't think it should be to "set up for" the DD Itrial.
All three- the arcs, the task force, and the trials- should be entirely self-contained stories that don't lead into one another. They can reflect different facets in the battle against Mot, but when you make one lead into the other, you leave a lot of people feeling, " if you want to finish it, you gotta do something you don't like to do."
I'll suffer through the occasional large group event or task force when I'm in the mood for it (and when my schedule permits it) but if I'm doing story arcs solo, its either because I want to experience the story or because I want to be solo. To get to a part in the story where I have to either leave a story unfinished or do something I'm not in the mood for, I tune the whole game out and go do something else.
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Originally Posted by Ogi
They were told, rather decisively, by a handful of players during the beta that the rewards were disastrously low.
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Originally Posted by Chase_Arcanum
I don't know.
A task force would be OK, but I don't think it should be to "set up for" the DD Itrial. All three- the arcs, the task force, and the trials- should be entirely self-contained stories that don't lead into one another. They can reflect different facets in the battle against Mot, but when you make one lead into the other, you leave a lot of people feeling, " if you want to finish it, you gotta do something you don't like to do." I'll suffer through the occasional large group event or task force when I'm in the mood for it (and when my schedule permits it) but if I'm doing story arcs solo, its either because I want to experience the story or because I want to be solo. To get to a part in the story where I have to either leave a story unfinished or do something I'm not in the mood for, I tune the whole game out and go do something else. |
Actually in beta the arc ORIGINALLY ended by telling you to do the DD arc.
For folks who are no way near the level required to survive in that thing, it was obvious that this was a problem. Thus the beta testers complained and it was changed to NOT refer you to do a +7 trial when you are a plain ol 50 with just the alpha slot opened.
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The problem with that approach is that it might not always suit the story they're trying to tell - all the mission types and mission tech are just story-telling tools.|
Originally Posted by Chase_Arcanum
All three- the arcs, the task force, and the trials- should be entirely self-contained stories that don't lead into one another. They can reflect different facets in the battle against Mot, but when you make one lead into the other, you leave a lot of people feeling, " if you want to finish it, you gotta do something you don't like to do."
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For example, the DD Trial gets an important part of its story set up from Dominatrix's solo-only non-combat mission, and Diabolique's motivation for being in Dark Astoria is presented in a standard story arc - so the devs have used solo, 1-8 and 8-16 missions to tell her full story.
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This is problematic in the COH Freedom setting.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
The problem with that approach is that it might not always suit the story they're trying to tell - all the mission types and mission tech are just story-telling tools.
For example, the DD Trial gets an important part of its story set up from Dominatrix's solo-only non-combat mission, and Diabolique's motivation for being in Dark Astoria is presented in a standard story arc - so the devs have used solo, 1-8 and 8-16 missions to tell her full story. |
With premiums and frees existing, the devs just cut themselves off from being able to tell a complete story. Premiums/Frees don't get access to trials.
Then again there is Paragonwiki. . . so nevermind then.
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If Max isn't giving a reward table the first time through while collecting the three Malta, then it's a bug, because he did every time I did it in Beta and I ran through the whole set of arcs about 10 times in Beta.
In Ouroboros, Max's arc is not an arc, but four separate one-off missions. So, no reward table there.
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