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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
In short, the reason your Tanker had it so easy was probably because you were being carried and your power set had an inherent advantage.
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Tanker or a Brute?|
Originally Posted by KnightofKhonsu
As a life-long Marvel Comic fan, I believe that the Hulk is both tanker and brute.
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He's a Trout!
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Not that I noticed. I had to worry more about all those dang robots pulling aggro from me! lol|
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
I'll take a stab and say the SS Brute was probably pulling aggro from your EM Tanker...,
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
who was also using Power Sink heavily.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
The Brute's toggles likely dropped from both the Carnies end drain and from any Dark Ring Mistresses slapping Mask of Cheapmechanization on them.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
Also the fact that Static Shield is brokenly good in this instance doesn't hurt.
In short, the reason your Tanker had it so easy was probably because you were being carried and your power set had an inherent advantage. But that's what happens when comparing four very different power sets. |
Tell you what, you can find me on Freedom. Look for Quantumshock. I won't be hiding. You can join my team as we are still doing Crimson's storyline missions and Maria Jenkins’ too. So Put up or shut up. Actions speak louder than words. Accept my challenge to prove your Brute is superior to my Tanker. Therefore, you do not think I am sandbagging you; you can review my tanker in the Design form. That way you will know exactly what I am fielding. However, since my tanker has not slotted his Alpha yet, he has no incarnate abilities yet. Therefore, my challenge will allow you to use any non-incarnate lvl 50 Brute and we can do these missions together and see who face plants first.
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I actually saw someone quoting Jack Emmerit...yes this has turned truly wacky now.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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The SS/Willpower Brute was pulling aggro from the Electric Armor/EM tanker? After the Electric Tanker went in first?|
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
Without crucial additional information, such as who had IOs and who was operating on old SOs and six slotted Brawl, I'll take a stab and say the SS Brute was probably pulling aggro from your EM Tanker, who was also using Power Sink heavily. The Brute's toggles likely dropped from both the Carnies end drain and from any Dark Ring Mistresses slapping Mask of Cheapmechanization on them.
Also the fact that Static Shield is brokenly good in this instance doesn't hurt. In short, the reason your Tanker had it so easy was probably because you were being carried and your power set had an inherent advantage. But that's what happens when comparing four very different power sets. |
Very interesting theory, Mr. Charleston. However, leave out one important point...
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Your tears, Johnny. So very, very delicious.|
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
So the truth is Hulk is both because Brutes are the Tanker's better designed successor and Tankers are, well, just an outmoded joke of an AT the devs threw under a bus that still hit like little girls.
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MUA HA HA HA HA!!
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
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The entire story could easily be fabricated and probably was?|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Very interesting theory, Mr. Charleston. However, leave out one important point...
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Why, I remember the time my Dark/Dev Blaster took on the entire portal army on Sutter TF, and by the time the smoke cleared with me still standing, not only were all the melee ATs on my team dead, so was every Brute on Protector. And the TF was on Infinity!
So clearly this anecdote shows Blasters are superior to both Tankers and Brutes, in every situation.
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OK, then call his bluff. He gave you a server, a character name, and an open invitation.|
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
The entire story could easily be fabricated and probably was?
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You seem to have totally forgotten that people identify strongly with their characters, so calling Tankers an "outmoded joke" makes people get quite angry with you. In this case, it doesn't even matter if you're right or not, you're just insulting people, and they're disagreeing with you on principle.
Of course, calling people liars for disagreeing with you isn't doing you any favors, either...
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I don't need to piddle around with his Tanker on Freedom to know he's wrong.|
Originally Posted by Hopeling
OK, then call his bluff. He gave you a server, a character name, and an open invitation.
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Well, then if you know he's wrong, why do you need to attack his statement? You know he's wrong, and you don't have to defend squat. You wouldn't need to argue with him... unless you're not so sure he's completely off the mark.|
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
I don't need to piddle around with his Tanker on Freedom to know he's wrong.
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Do you see how that just doesn't work?
Especially in a thread that serves specifically as a vehicle for arguments?
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That is some backwards logic.|
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
If I was wrong about Tankers, anyone who truly felt they were fine would know it and wouldn't feel like they had to defend squat to me. They wouldn't be insulted...unless they're not so sure I'm completely off the mark.
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How does that stack up to someone who has to aggressively tout how tankers must be broken and defend against why everyone else must be wrong?
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You're right. It isn't an argument. I called his anecdote BS and that is that. That's why I don't have to bother showing up to his invitation. I've got nothing to defend to him.|
Originally Posted by Hopeling
Well, then if you know he's wrong, why do you need to attack his statement? You know he's wrong, and you don't have to defend squat. You wouldn't need to argue with him... unless you're not so sure he's completely off the mark.
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But, like I said, if he's mad because I told the truth about what Tankers are, sorry that's too bad. It makes me mad too. I'm not who he should be mad at.
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Hulk cheats by being an NPC, so that means he's allowed to have an unholy combination of Invulnerability, Willpower and Regeneration. :3
His powerset would be something like:
1: Resist Physical Damage AND Temp Invulnerability
2: High Pain Tolerance AND Fast Healing AND Resist Elements AND Resist Energies
3: Dull Pain AND Instant Healing
4: Unyielding AND Indomitable Will
5: Invincibility AND Rise to the Challenge
6: Quick Recovery AND Resilience
7: Tough Hide AND Quickness (from Super Reflexes, the cheat!)
8: Rage (and with no damage debuff crash, just because it's the Hulk)
9: Unstoppable (but with no crash like Statesman)
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THe hulk is Brute SS/Inv
But to be fair he would be a SS brute with Instand healing, Perma Unstoppable, Fury of 500%, and all the power in Inv and WP running at the same time!
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The difference is, the people who vehemently disagree with me on Tankers don't insult me in the least. If I could, I'd give most of them a juice box, some stickers and send them on their way.|
Originally Posted by Chyll
How does that stack up to someone who has to aggressively tout how tankers must be broken and defend against why everyone else must be wrong?
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...so, it was actually the dev team that called him an "outmoded joke"? I don't know how one of them managed to post under your name a few hours ago, but you should maybe look into some better account security practices.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
But, like I said, if he's mad because I told the truth about what Tankers are, sorry that's too bad. It makes me mad too. I'm not who he should be mad at.
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Well put my friend. Had not considered it from this perspective.
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Originally Posted by Ideon
Hulk cheats by being an NPC, so that means he's allowed to have an unholy combination of Invulnerability, Willpower and Regeneration. :3
His powerset would be something like: 1: Resist Physical Damage AND Temp Invulnerability 2: High Pain Tolerance AND Fast Healing AND Resist Elements AND Resist Energies 3: Dull Pain AND Instant Healing 4: Unyielding AND Indomitable Will 5: Invincibility AND Rise to the Challenge 6: Quick Recovery AND Resilience 7: Tough Hide AND Quickness (from Super Reflexes, the cheat!) 8: Rage (and with no damage debuff crash, just because it's the Hulk) 9: Unstoppable (but with no crash like Statesman) |
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Throwing darts at the board to see if something sticks.....
Come show your resolve and fight my brute!
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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Nice Ideon. That's quite appropriate for Hulk. Although he does have a Rage crash; That would be Bruce Banner mode.
Throwing darts at the board to see if something sticks.....
Come show your resolve and fight my brute!
Tanks: Gauntlet, the streak breaker and you!
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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Oh? Now you are calling me a liar after I offered you a challenge? Sniff Sniff, I smell the hint of fear and cowardice coming from your end there boy. |
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
The entire story could easily be fabricated and probably was?
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People only act in the manner you have here when they are afraid of being proven wrong.
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Either accept my challenge or be branded a cowardly loud mouth who speaks out his backside that wears school girls clothing because his momma dresses him after she wears combat boots in the bathtub. Your choice.
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You are right it is not an argument. I do not argue with idiots. You made a direct statement. I contradicted your statement and offered a challenge to prove you wrong. |
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
You're right. It isn't an argument. I called his anecdote BS and that is that. That's why I don't have to bother showing up to his invitation. I've got nothing to defend to him.
But, like I said, if he's mad because I told the truth about what Tankers are, sorry that's too bad. It makes me mad too. I'm not who he should be mad at. |
Your reaction? Calling me a liar. Calling what I said is "anecdote BS (meaning story)," as with authority. Then you go as far as to say I am mad because at you "for speaking the truth?" I am sorry whose truth? Yours? Reality's truth? The Tooth Fairy’s truth?
Moreover, then you have the unmitigated gall to feign being mad? You are so full of bovine excrement that your eyes are brown. You are a legend in your own mind, Johnny.
First, you son, don't have what it takes to make me mad, especially in this medium. Not going to happen.
Second, like any other authoritative internet gaming troll, you throw out opinions as if they are facts given to you from God himself. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Actions give substantial proof to support a fact, not bombastic rhetoric.
You want to prove your theory is correct and not some kind of unsubstantiated supposition? Put it to the test. Otherwise, you lose any credibility you may have had until you puked on yourself in this thread with your unwarranted personal attacks because you do not like that I disagree with you. Grow up Johnny, grow up.
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Originally Posted by KnightofKhonsu
Oh?
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How the heck did Johnny get off of my ignore list?
Goodbye. Not to the game, but the players. Goodbye. Everyone, remember to have fun. That's all I can say.
Incidentally, I don't believe Hercules is a Tanker either.
There's really only four Tankers, as the AT is presently, in Marvel comics that come to mind:
Unus the Untouchable
http://www.comicvine.com/unus/29-3438/
Cannon Fodder
http://www.comicvine.com/cf/29-40997/
Butter Ball
http://www.comicvine.com/butterball/29-54440/
and arguably Mr. Immortal
http://www.comicvine.com/mr-immortal/29-2486/
Everyone else has considerable offensive might, which makes them Brutes or Scrappers of varying levels of power.
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Also the fact that Static Shield is brokenly good in this instance doesn't hurt.
In short, the reason your Tanker had it so easy was probably because you were being carried and your power set had an inherent advantage.
But that's what happens when comparing four very different power sets.
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