Ninjitsu for scrappers yet?

I've been gone for a bit, and to be honest the only thing that would get me excited to come back would be nin for scrappers....


so ... yes? soon? maybe? plz?

If you want to kill off the whole Stalker AT, then sure, go ahead.... T_T




(Joking...)


Honestly, I don't think Ninjitsu will ever get ported to Scrapper because that will be super unfair for Stalker who is restricted by their "theme" for not having access to /Shield and Titan Weapon. I think Ninjitsu will only stay in Stalker AT. The new stalker change in beta makes Stalker better. Feel free to make a new Stalker. :P

Stalkers have almost every other secondary already proliferated to scrappers as it is.. this is the last set that still needs to be done. how would doing this last proliferation kill off the stalker AT?

What's the point of it though? The main parts of Ninjutsu is caltrops, defense and a heal. You can get all those on whatever Scrapper armor set you choose.

Why don't you go for Ice Armor? That set hadn't been proliferated at all until it was ported from Tankers to Stalkers.

Or what about Stone Armor? Neither Scrapper or Stalkers have that.

And where's the sympathy for theme? Players scoff at Invulnerable Stalkers or Stalkers with Shields, Flaming Armor, immense strength and/or huge weapons, but a non-assassin AT using assassin-specific skills? That's not bizarre?

There's a lot to be excited about for Scrappers. Have you tried Titan Weapons? Energy Armor is now a *great* set and was ported over to Scrappers...it has a standard self-heal, a per-foe +def PBAoE buff and a taunt aura with +rech bonuses per foe! Go play that! Oh, and Staff Fighting is coming in a couple weeks to all melee ATs and the animations are great!

And if you must focus on Ninjutsu, then just play a Stalker. With the next issue in a few weeks, Assassin's Strike moves are made uninterruptible out of hide and all your other attacks give you a bonus to crit with AS (up to 100% with 3 stacked bonuses) for amazing damage (there are other changes to the AT too!)! There's lots to be excited about! Stop moping about proliferation! Go play!

I concur with Jibikao on this one.

I for one would like to see Ninjitsu remain stalker exclusive.

I'd much rather see Ice Armor ported to scrappers. Spines/Ice FTW.

Not only would ice armor be better for scrappers than ninjitsu, it seems theoretically possible that they'd be inclined to give scrappers ice melee as well. Presumably this would entail improvements for ice melee, and if that happened it would be a win for both scrappers and tankers.

Echoing what others have said... if you want Ninjitsu, play a Stalker. It's not like Scrappers are hurting as it is with what they have available, and if concept is that important to you, you should've realized that you were making a Stalker with the whole "ninjitsu" thing in the first place.

And I'm in the small crowd that thinks that they should have left at least one set unique to each AT; I understand why they don't make sets that way (why put in all the time for "a small portion of the players") but I find the argument invalid since any and every player could select that set simply by making a character of the AT it was designed for. Numerically you're affecting the exact same number of people, regardless of how many - or how few - ATs get the set, and having some unique sets adds something to the ATs IMO.

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I want nin so bad on scrappers and to those that tell me to play in on a stalker if I want it well I already have got two 50s a spines/nin and a elec/nin ok so I have twice already.

But with those stalker changes coming to i22 makes me think I might not even need it on scrappers any more but I still want it. It's one of those sets I can level more then once for me its fire armor, earth control/melee(love them both),Fire blast and ninjitsu. Also I plan to roll another nin stalker, staff/nin I love the set so much.

I want this so bad, did I mention this already? It would be one of the few powerset ports that I'd be willing to pay for.

I agree with keeping Ninjitsu as Stalker only. The assasin theme of the set doesn't fit for scrappers.
Tanks are made for being the protectors of others by using themselves to block attacks because they can take it better than those they defend.
Brutes are for just wading into the largest battle they can find and using divine organization afterwards (let God sort em out).
Stalkers are for using stealth and surgical strikes to take down the enemy. A task they will hopefully be able to do better after I22.
Scrappers are for using fighting skills to defeat opponents. Like a real world prizefighter or UFC fighter.
I do not think Ninjitsu fits for Scrappers but it could be changed into something more combat related. Like it's counter part, Bushido. Just change the parts that wouldn't fit the theme. Hide, caltrops, smoke bomb, and blinding powder. I'm sure some "way of the warrior" abilities could be made to replace those.

I really, really wanted nin ported over to scrappers to.

Then I rolled a /sr, took the epic with caltrops, and then grabbed the healing Ipower.

Works well for me.

Ok, I've given this thread some time so that both sides can say what they wanted as far as the nin being and exclusive and what not and that if you want nin play stalk blah blah blah.

One thing you don't realize, or do just over look, is that nin is very light secondary as in not having to deep into it that you can forgo powers for something in your primary or even pool. compared to say /sr or /wp where its a bit harder to choose.

another thing is the primary on a stalker.. i dont want placate or assassin strike in my primary there's no need for them in pve imo and just slows dps again imo

porting this power is no different as to when they ported /elec from brutes, a power set mind you devs once said would remain exclusive to brutes.

Im wanting to build either a titan or street/nin scrapper something light on secondary so i can be heavy in primary and no i done want fire armor i have enough of those.

I have many stalkers already i dont want another.. i dont on the other hand have many scrappers because i feel as with the sets they have now i feel its better just to make a brute

So, scrappers should get Ninjitsu because it isn't fair to NOT give it to them.

But stalkers shouldn't get Shield Defense?

It's very simple people.

There is a secondary that every other melee AT gets that stalkers do not get. (Shield Defense) And the devs have been pretty clear that they don't intend to give stalkers Shield Defense.

It is therefore perfectly fair for there to be a secondary that stalkers get that no one else does. (Ninjitsu)

It isn't a matter of something needing to be scrapper exclusive for parity. It's a matter of 3 ATs getting something that one doesn't, and that one having something the other 3 don't get.

I don't know how you're looking at it, but from my perspective that is absolutely fair.

My view on it:

Scrappers should get Nin.

Stalkers should get Shield.

If Stalkers don't get Shield, Scrappers should still get Nin.

If Scrappers don't get Nin, Stalkers should still get Shield.

Looking at how the dev "restrict" Stalker theme by what they should have, I don't think Stalker would have Axe/Mace. Ice Melee is definitely possible though.

I like how Stalker and Scrapper have different sets but I also think we should be the one creating our themes. If I feel my Stalker can carry a big giant weapon, then so be it. If I feel my Stalker can assassinate somebody with bright shocking Electricity, then so be it.


But really, Ninjitsu isn't really that good of a defensive set. I would take Ice Armor and Energy Aura over it.