With Freedom an apparent financial success...


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No, you are
If power sets (and frreakin' travel powers!) weren't $10 a pop, I'd conceded the point, happily.


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Much cheaper as boosters, and they are more frequent.
Costumes: 400 points each, about $5. They were generally the major draw of a booster pack anyway... More frequent? Huge plus.

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More expensive and more frequent.
Travel powers: 500 points for the ones that were in the booster packs. 600 for the more "advanced" ones like the Coyote Run and carpet. $6-7 each. More frequent? Huge plus

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Aside from the two expansions, we never had to pay for power sets. Now?
We've had three $10 power sets and one free one since Freedom launched. More expensive, and, so far, more frequent. Dark Control will be free, but I'll be happily shocked if Staff Melee is.
How often did we get new power sets before....?

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You're missing the point. Just because we sometimes had to pay for things, it's now constant. On average, more money is coming out of my pocket to have a little more content. Obviously this is why Freedom is financially successful: they get more money from VIPs, and you get money from Premium/Freems when you got nothing from them before.
You'd have a point if not for the PP stipend VIPs got....... At most, you'd have to save 2 months' worth to buy a costume set, travel power, or power set. And you get to pick which ones you want, you don't exactly have to buy them all. On top of that, there's the reward tokens which can be turned in for more temp powers, costume pieces, and so on.




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Originally Posted by Mental_Giant View Post
If power sets (and frreakin' travel powers!) weren't $10 a pop, I'd conceded the point, happily.
Aren't most of the travel powers $7.50? Personally I'd prefer $5, but not much I can do about it aside from waiting for a sale.


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If power sets (and frreakin' travel powers!) weren't $10 a pop, I'd conceded the point, happily.
Check your math, then.

....waiting....

Concession accepted.




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For some reason I thought the new Travel powers were 800 points, not 600, but that's still way too much.

To tie this all back into the OP, even if you think Freedom is an Unqualified Good, do you really think that they will devote more time and effort to a backburner issue like Bases or will they work on the stuff they know they can monetize, and throw in some QoL issues?


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For some reason I thought the new Travel powers were 800 points, not 600, but that's still way too much.
So much for:

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If power sets (and frreakin' travel powers!) weren't $10 a pop, I'd conceded the point, happily.
( Besides, I think a full on power set is more than worth $10... )




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( Besides, I think a full on power set is more than worth $10... )
So you'd have paid how much for City of Villains? I'm not even going to bother with the man, but it's a lot more than 50$!


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So you'd have paid how much for City of Villains? I'm not even going to bother with the man, but it's a lot more than 50$!
Since I couldn't pick out just specific power sets and/or ATs, you're comparing apples to oranges there.




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To tie this all back into the OP, even if you think Freedom is an Unqualified Good, do you really think that they will devote more time and effort to a backburner issue like Bases or will they work on the stuff they know they can monetize, and throw in some QoL issues?
I have no idea what anyone's position is on this thread, I just want to respond to this

I hope that they work primarily on stuff that they can monetize. I have this two theories on this:

1. the stuff people will pay money for is the stuff they want. I assume that the types of things that sell well are popular. That does not have to be true, but I'm going with it.

2. they need to make money to keep the game running. Since I am happy with the game as it is, anything they add is gravy. The worst thing would not be adding more stuff, it would be shutting the game down.


 

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To tie this all back into the OP, even if you think Freedom is an Unqualified Good, do you really think that they will devote more time and effort to a backburner issue like Bases or will they work on the stuff they know they can monetize, and throw in some QoL issues?
Honestly I imagine they'd do some work on bases as a QoL sort of thing. Now if they ever did personal bases then yea, I imagine those would be something purchased on the market, but not so much normal bases.

I kind of hope they some day manage to get a working and fun form of PvP into the game since that seems to be a decent free to play draw .... And in all honesty I've always liked PvP but I've never really liked it in this game for some reason.


Actually, here's a question. If there was a decent chunk of an issue dedicated to going gung-ho on base improvements including new decorative items (including ceilings/walls/floors) and getting base PvP to work, but the trade off was that in the future they sold decorative items in the store (with some free on issue releases) ... would that really be so bad?


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Honestly I imagine they'd do some work on bases as a QoL sort of thing. Now if they ever did personal bases then yea, I imagine those would be something purchased on the market, but not so much normal bases.

I kind of hope they some day manage to get a working and fun form of PvP into the game since that seems to be a decent free to play draw .... And in all honesty I've always liked PvP but I've never really liked it in this game for some reason.


Actually, here's a question. If there was a decent chunk of an issue dedicated to going gung-ho on base improvements including new decorative items (including ceilings/walls/floors) and getting base PvP to work, but the trade off was that in the future they sold decorative items in the store (with some free on issue releases) ... would that really be so bad?
No that wouldn't be so bad as the development would be DIRECTLY paid for. I'd rather they do that then have to come out with a FULL ISSUE of nothing but PVP and/or base improvements.


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Actually, here's a question. If there was a decent chunk of an issue dedicated to going gung-ho on base improvements including new decorative items (including ceilings/walls/floors) and getting base PvP to work, but the trade off was that in the future they sold decorative items in the store (with some free on issue releases) ... would that really be so bad?
That would be a best case scenario for me (even though Bases aren't really a priority of mine). I just question if they would do an issue in a post-Freedom world that didn't have a Trial or TF as a focus. That's not necessarily a bad thing.


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We've had three $8.33333 power sets
This is a pedantic point but I bought $100 worth of points when freedom went live so this is how I read that statement.

It may not sound like much but $100 gets you 10 powersets but gets me 12 sets.

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Dark Control, Dark Assault, and Dark Affinity will be free for ViPs
If both of us love theses sets and go Preem and want to continue using these sets, it's going to cost you $30 while I'm paying $25.


 

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No that wouldn't be so bad as the development would be DIRECTLY paid for. I'd rather they do that then have to come out with a FULL ISSUE of nothing but PVP and/or base improvements.
Assuming the post Freedom issues progress as they have for the last two (and that's a decently large assumption) I doubt we'll ever have a whole issue completely focused on one subject again. Even with the main focus on one thing (First Ward, Solo Incarnate path, ect) they're still putting out a trial and 'other' mission content.

That said, I doubt bases or PvP will ever be the primary focus of an issue without them being tied somehow to another significant feature.

PvP and some sort of instanced PvP missions along the lines of all those other games and/or possibly some sort of hybrid PvP/PvE zone. Base love along with some sort of personal base that was free to VIPs but otherwise purchasable and was somehow tied to new content(yes I know, personal bases are almost certainly not on the horizon I'm just spit balling here.).


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If both of us love theses sets and go Preem and want to continue using these sets, it's going to cost you $30 while I'm paying $25.
Sorry to sort of double post here, but Dark Assault, and Dark Affinity are pretty much just proliferated sets and as such free across the board like with Dark Manipulation last issue.

That is, of course, unless I'm horribly mistaken. I'm pretty sure I'm not, but you never know and all.


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Honestly you're getting less for your sub each month, but that is to be expected, prior to Freedom the game was dead, it was two or three more NCsoft meetings away from being shut down.


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This is a pedantic point but I bought $100 worth of points when freedom went live so this is how I read that statement.
Don't worry, this thread is already swimming in pedantry.

I'm just glad a real Doomsayer joined the thread, so I can go back to being the reasonable one.


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Honestly you're getting less for your sub each month, but that is to be expected, prior to Freedom the game was dead, it was two or three more NCsoft meetings away from being shut down.
How do you figure? Issue 21 and 22 are relatively bigger than issues have been in a while, I'm getting an extra story arc every month and I'm getting 400 points in the store (well 550 actually) every month to spend on the stuff they're trying to sell me.

That looks like more to me.


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How do you figure? Issue 21 and 22 are relatively bigger than issues have been in a while, I'm getting an extra story arc every month and I'm getting 400 points in the store (well 550 actually) every month to spend on the stuff they're trying to sell me.

That looks like more to me.
Stuff that is honestly... not worth it, would of been included in the sub as free content.

Pre-Freedom, could you of seen the Circles of Thorn set, Fireman helmet, or even the Carnival of light set, released as a paid for extra?

The coyote travel power? Pre-Freedom that would of been the 'bundled' power in say a native American themed costume set.

Instead they'll have you pay for a bunch of stuff you used to get for free, and use the 'weekly' release schedule to excuse poorer quality releases than they did before.


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Honestly you're getting less for your sub each month, but that is to be expected, prior to Freedom the game was dead, it was two or three more NCsoft meetings away from being shut down.
ROFL!!! Oh man the doomies are entertaining. Just a few months ago you guys were claiming that Freedom was going to kill the game and now you're story is that it's the only thing that saved it. <snicker> You're like those people that predict the end of the world's coming then scream "Do Over!" when it doesn't happen.


 

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ROFL!!! Oh man the doomies are entertaining. Just a few months ago you guys were claiming that Freedom was going to kill the game and now you're story is that it's the only thing that saved it. <snicker> You're like those people that predict the raptures coming then scream "Do Over!" when it doesn't happen.

No I was one of the people saying they had to go Free to play, because the game couldn't surive on 30k subs.


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No I was one of the people saying they had to go Free to play, because the game couldn't surive on 30k subs.

30k subs. Oh man you should be a comedian.


 

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Sorry to sort of double post here, but Dark Assault, and Dark Affinity are pretty much just proliferated sets and as such free across the board like with Dark Manipulation last issue.

That is, of course, unless I'm horribly mistaken. I'm pretty sure I'm not, but you never know and all.
Sorry, that's incorrect. You're even going to be charged for a set that is only cobbled together of existing powers and can only be used on a single AT now.


 

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Pre-Freedom, could you of seen the Circles of Thorn set, Fireman helmet, or even the Carnival of light set, released as a paid for extra?
No. I don't think they would have been released at all. Far too of a niche product to have spent resources on.

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The coyote travel power? Pre-Freedom that would of been the 'bundled' power in say a native American themed costume set.
Would have been too costly to create a brand new rig solely for that reason.

I mean, I thought they were "two or three more NCsoft meetings away from being shut down."

Doesn't really make sense for them to produce niche products.


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Sorry, that's incorrect. You're even going to be charged for a set that is only cobbled together of existing powers and can only be used on a single AT now.
Well what do you know, you're right. It never even crossed my mind that they'd be VIP only sets. Huh.


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