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What do you guys think of it so far? Would you pay for the full price 800 even though Stalker doesn't get to change Forms?
I am only lvl 6 now and I like it so far because of the extra reach and Guarded strike. Guarded is so awesome. :P
We don't get Titan Weapon for extra reach set so I am going to have to settle with Staff. I haven't bought TW anyway and I don't plan to.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
I won't buy TW until there is a stalker version.
Untill then I am settling for staff, IF THEY INCREASE THE RADIUS OF EYE OF THE STORM.
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Originally Posted by Test_Rat
I won't buy TW until there is a stalker version.
Untill then I am settling for staff, IF THEY INCREASE THE RADIUS OF EYE OF THE STORM. |
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As Aett said, there IS a stalker version. You just don't get the different forms in exchange for AS.
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Originally Posted by Test_Rat
I won't buy TW until there is a stalker version.
Untill then I am settling for staff, IF THEY INCREASE THE RADIUS OF EYE OF THE STORM. |
http://www.virtueverse.net/wiki/Shadow_Mokadara
Looks good. I want the Guarded Spin and Eye of the Storm changed in lvl placement myself.
I actually don't think I'll mind not having the ability to switch between forms. And what did they do, gave Stalkers the damage one built in.
Leveling up, Im sure people would likely use the ENDRED or RCH one, but I think most players would go the +DMG form anyways.
Don't miss the cone attack at all, as I didn't care for that animation.
So yup, only complaint so far from what I've seen...Guarded Spin and Eye of the Storms placement on the leveling tree!
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He (or She?) was talking about how they won't buy Titan Weapons until Stalkers get the set, not about Staff Melee.
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Originally Posted by ShadowMoka
As Aett said, there IS a stalker version. You just don't get the different forms in exchange for AS.
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You don't like Guarded? I love that! I think for lower leveling, Guarded is way better than Eye of Storm. Eye of Storm is going to have 17s recharge. That's awfully long wait at lvl 4, don't you think?
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Don't miss the cone attack at all, as I didn't care for that animation.
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What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
I don't see staff melee... on the beta server...
Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
You don't like Guarded? I love that! I think for lower leveling, Guarded is way better than Eye of Storm. Eye of Storm is going to have 17s recharge. That's awfully long wait at lvl 4, don't you think?
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Originally Posted by _Pine_
I don't see staff melee... on the beta server...
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Yeah, it was Innocuous Strike (as Kioshi said) that I didn't care for the animation. So seeing it go was no problem (imo).|
Originally Posted by Jibikao
You don't like Guarded? I love that! I think for lower leveling, Guarded is way better than Eye of Storm. Eye of Storm is going to have 17s recharge. That's awfully long wait at lvl 4, don't you think?
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As for Guarded and Eye of the Storm, I'd prefere the option of Eye of the Storm at lvl 6 over Guarded. Not all builds will want the +Defense Power in their final builds, and not all players care to build for a respec later.
Also, it's more damage
I wouldn't mind the damage myself.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Yeah, it was Innocuous Strike (as Kioshi said) that I didn't care for the animation. So seeing it go was no problem (imo).
As for Guarded and Eye of the Storm, I'd prefere the option of Eye of the Storm at lvl 6 over Guarded. Not all builds will want the +Defense Power in their final builds, and not all players care to build for a respec later. Also, it's more damage I wouldn't mind the damage myself. |
The attack chain of 3s, 6s and 8s CONE attack is very nice and then you throw in Assassin Strike when 3 stacks is on.
With 9' reach, Guarded's cone attack can easily hit 2 targets. It is a really nice attack at lvl 4. Its base damage is like a real 8s attack which is higher than 2nd tier attack Piercing. The great thing about Guarded is that it's a good cone attack with only 8s recharge. I use it all the time when its on. I don't feel like I am wasting my dps by using Parry. The bonus +defense really feels like a bonus rather than something that I need to sacrifice for to get. I get that feeling when I use Parry because its base damage is low and activation time is kinda slow too. Guarded even without any +defense slotting is a decent attack.
I really don't know how well an attack chain of 3s, 6s and 17s eye of storm. That is strangely long wait before Single Origins, don't you think?
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Not really. At least I don't think so. Those are quick levels to get through. And my suggest still had the same two attacks available by level 18, except mine allows the use of Eye of the Storm much sooner, and thusly just a little more play time with that animation of love! |
Originally Posted by Jibikao
Did you level a lowbie Staff Stalker?
The attack chain of 3s, 6s and 8s CONE attack is very nice and then you throw in Assassin Strike when 3 stacks is on. With 9' reach, Guarded's cone attack can easily hit 2 targets. It is a really nice attack at lvl 4. Its base damage is like a real 8s attack which is higher than 2nd tier attack Piercing. The great thing about Guarded is that it's a good cone attack with only 8s recharge. I use it all the time when its on. I don't feel like I am wasting my dps by using Parry. The bonus +defense really feels like a bonus rather than something that I need to sacrifice for to get. I get that feeling when I use Parry because its base damage is low and activation time is kinda slow too. Guarded even without any +defense slotting is a decent attack. I really don't know how well an attack chain of 3s, 6s and 17s eye of storm. That is strangely long wait before Single Origins, don't you think? |
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Can anyone give a list of stalker attacks with damage, activation, dpa (at lv50) etc? I want to play with attack chains and see how staff measures up to my other i22 stalkers.
Thanks
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I don't have the specifics right in front of me but Staff feels like it's going to be middle of the ground. Its recharge/activation time is good but not great. Its lower base damage is improved by Body form which Stalker gets it at level 1. You gain one form by landing a hit and you can gain up to 3 forms (+15% damage buff) and you can release it with greater effects with Eye of the Storm or Sky Splitter.|
Originally Posted by Ludicron
Can anyone give a list of stalker attacks with damage, activation, dpa (at lv50) etc? I want to play with attack chains and see how staff measures up to my other i22 stalkers.
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I specifically don't want to level my new Staff anymore because I kinda want to keep some surprises for me when Staff is actually out. So far, the set looks very solid. It has good reach and two pbaoe. I like Guarded strike a lot.
What are your other i22 stalkers?
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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PS - 1.584 - 73.41|
Originally Posted by Ludicron
Can anyone give a list of stalker attacks with damage, activation, dpa (at lv50) etc? I want to play with attack chains and see how staff measures up to my other i22 stalkers.
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SR - 1.980 - 100.1
SS - 3.036 - 184.18
AS - 1.188 - 139.03
Doesnt have MB (the tier 1), but it's DPS is lower than PS (the tier 2). HOWEVER, I'm thinking it may be a mistake to take PS over MB. MB can slot the -Resist Proc, which with the difference in DPS between using those attacks, using MB may be better in the long run, due to the -Resist Proc.
So far, I think MB (or PS) -> SR (Serpents Reach) -> AS (Assassin's Staff) -> SS -> Repeat looks to be the best attack chain for ST. But that requires 345% Recharge in SS to pull off and 270 in SR, and less in AS.
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Thanks for the numbers.
So from the minmax perspective staff looks pretty mediocre for a ST attack chain, with the achilles proc attack having such a low DPA, don't really want to use it. And the best DPA looks to be..Sky splitter? Is that number with the bonus from perfection?
Actually, does not perfection of body give you 20% damage buff? This would mean that not using sky splitter raises the DPA of all the other attacks as you keep doing your chain and keeping three perfection of body.
The problem I see with your chain is that you are using AS only every 5.5 seconds. As by far the best DPA stalker attack (post i22) it should be used as often as possible in any chain.
I wonder what a staff attack chain might be like with continuous perfection +20DB, therefore not using skysplitter except as a rare finisher. Any ideas how the +20% damage bonus would affect overall damage? Can you straight up add 20% to the DPA of any attack? I seem to recall hearing that minus damage resistance works that way because it is factored in at the end, but damage bonuses aren't as good for some reason.
This 20% from Perfection of Body obviously makes calculating the effectiveness of staff's best chain versus other sets a little more tricky.
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Originally Posted by Ludicron
Thanks for the numbers.
So from the minmax perspective staff looks pretty mediocre for a ST attack chain, with the achilles proc attack having such a low DPA, don't really want to use it. And the best DPA looks to be..Sky splitter? Is that number with the bonus from perfection? Actually, does not perfection of body give you 20% damage buff? This would mean that not using sky splitter raises the DPA of all the other attacks as you keep doing your chain and keeping three perfection of body. The problem I see with your chain is that you are using AS only every 5.5 seconds. As by far the best DPA stalker attack (post i22) it should be used as often as possible in any chain. I wonder what a staff attack chain might be like with continuous perfection +20DB, therefore not using skysplitter except as a rare finisher. Any ideas how the +20% damage bonus would affect overall damage? Can you straight up add 20% to the DPA of any attack? I seem to recall hearing that minus damage resistance works that way because it is factored in at the end, but damage bonuses aren't as good for some reason. This 20% from Perfection of Body obviously makes calculating the effectiveness of staff's best chain versus other sets a little more tricky. |
I dont see why you couldnt add the +20% damage that way, but I kinda doubt it.
At most you could use Assassin Strike every 3.75 seconds. That's at max +RCH. Also it doesn't mean you'll have the Assassin's Focus stacked for the higher crit chance on the attack.
Hitting with the -Resist proc every 6.204 seconds, should be a good chance at keeping it triggered.
It also means releasing AS a bit sooner, but I bet PS has a better chance to build Focus than MB does.
What my chain doesn't do is let Perfection build to the +20% Damage, so it may be best to add an attack into the chain.
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1. I think Body form only gives up to 15% with 3 stacks, not 20%. (Unless they've changed it recently??)|
Originally Posted by Ludicron
Thanks for the numbers.
So from the minmax perspective staff looks pretty mediocre for a ST attack chain, with the achilles proc attack having such a low DPA, don't really want to use it. And the best DPA looks to be..Sky splitter? Is that number with the bonus from perfection? Actually, does not perfection of body give you 20% damage buff? This would mean that not using sky splitter raises the DPA of all the other attacks as you keep doing your chain and keeping three perfection of body. The problem I see with your chain is that you are using AS only every 5.5 seconds. As by far the best DPA stalker attack (post i22) it should be used as often as possible in any chain. I wonder what a staff attack chain might be like with continuous perfection +20DB, therefore not using skysplitter except as a rare finisher. Any ideas how the +20% damage bonus would affect overall damage? Can you straight up add 20% to the DPA of any attack? I seem to recall hearing that minus damage resistance works that way because it is factored in at the end, but damage bonuses aren't as good for some reason. This 20% from Perfection of Body obviously makes calculating the effectiveness of staff's best chain versus other sets a little more tricky. |
2. While it is true that not using Sky Splittery or Eye of Storm keeps 15% damage buff on you, you have to consider that releasing SS also gives more damage? This number SS - 3.036 - 184.18. Does it include that extra damage?
3. You can't reliably build Focus with attacks that have recharge less than 8s. I've tested this in beta. This means you don't really need to push Assassin Strike's recharge that low because you may not get 3 stacks. Missing an attack also doesn't give Focus.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
I'm liking it and the stalker changes too.... now to figure out, do I make a witch on live or a bitter janitor? The broom is the only model that looks right with the sound fx for guarded 
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
1. I think Body form only gives up to 15% with 3 stacks, not 20%. (Unless they've changed it recently??)
2. While it is true that not using Sky Splittery or Eye of Storm keeps 15% damage buff on you, you have to consider that releasing SS also gives more damage? This number SS - 3.036 - 184.18. Does it include that extra damage? 3. You can't reliably build Focus with attacks that have recharge less than 8s. I've tested this in beta. This means you don't really need to push Assassin Strike's recharge that low because you may not get 3 stacks. Missing an attack also doesn't give Focus. |
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