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Suffice to say I want more Unbreakable, and a lot less suddenly sociopathic teenager.
Sorry but there's no "sudden" about it. All teenagers are sociopaths. PERIOD. It's part hormones, part cultural indoctrination, and probably part genetic (as in a "feature" of the species h. sapiens).



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I must beg to differ. I was never a sociopath. I eschewed contact with any human as much as I could've possibly do it. That made me more of an antiopath than sociopath.


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I must beg to differ. I was never a sociopath. I eschewed contact with any human as much as I could've possibly do it. That made me more of an antiopath than sociopath.
Sociopathic behavior isn't solely determined by other behaviors (such as avoidance). It is also determined by how you interact with others when you actually DO interact.



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I must beg to differ. I was never a sociopath. I eschewed contact with any human as much as I could've possibly do it. That made me more of an antiopath than sociopath.
Are you confusing sociopath with socializing?


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Am I?


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So I saw a trailer fo this the other day in front of Contrabnd (entertaining but kind of 'meh'). I thought it kind of looked like a horrible movie, but generally the type of horrible move I end up going to see. Kind of like with Push.
Push was awesome.

This looks pretty good. I'm thinking they should have made Heroes a movie and it wouldn't have turned out so badly.


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So. I'll admit to being incredibly (and pleasantly) surprised that the early reviews for Chronicle seem to be quite positive. It has a 89% on Rotten Tomatoes (47 reviews) and a 71 on metacritic (counting 15 reviews).

I mean I was going to see it anyway, but at least now I don't feel like I have to go to the theater wanting to see something fun but expecting something mediocre. I hate that feeling.

Odd note, the movie was apparently written by John Landis' son, Max Landis.


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Okay, got back from this a while ago (I mostly tend to hit midnight showings when I can).

It was actually pretty good. The basic plotline is fairly simple told effectively.

And yeah, it's shaky-cam. Not my most favorite cinematic convention, but it wasn't horrific either.

And while a lot of the CGI in the flying scenes was fairly obvious, it wasn't "break you out of the moment" bad or anything. And some of the flying scenes were breathtaking.

If I didn't hate the 3D format so much, and if it didn't break the movie's "found footage" convention, I'd have said it screamed for a 3D treatment.

About the only fault I found was near the end. One of the protagonists' portrayals dropped quite badly into cheesy narm territory. Yeah, I get it. Teenager. Whatever. But it was still just...cliche.

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Essentially one of the trio who's a victim of domestic abuse has cracked, decided he's an "apex predator", so he uses it as an excuse to hover menacingly in the air growling and posing in a hostile manner in front of a bunch of people in the Seattle Space Needle.

You know the pose, legs in a somewhat crouched position, arms down at his sides, hands turned in and clawed up with a menacing grimace on his face. It was about the only thing that really took me completely out of the film.



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I was going to go see this movie this weekend, but I'm getting snowed in pretty hard right now, so it likely will get pushed back a week or so.


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It was actually pretty good. The basic plotline is fairly simple told effectively.

And yeah, it's shaky-cam. Not my most favorite cinematic convention, but it wasn't horrific either.
I would have seen it as a midnight showing if they actually did those around here. For having a bunch of college kids in town surprisingly few of them actually seem to go to movies.

Anyhoo, even given the positive reviews it's been getting I ended up liking Chronicle much more than I thought I would. Max Landis' writing is what hit it out of the park for me. While there was the spot at the end where the dialogue was somewhat hokey for the rest of the movie it was pretty believable and in a lot of cases just straight up funny. A really well-done and entertaining job for his first film.


Also as someone who suffers from motion sickness to the point where Blair Witch made me ill ... Chronicle was easily the most watchable 'found footage' movie so far. Mostly because I think the ability of your main characters to float the camera around in lovely steady-cam and crane shots whenever they're alone (or later on just whenever they want) helps a bit.

Actually, calling it a found footage film's just a bit off really since that's not the idea really. It's more that we're watching the movie through the lens of cameras in general since the POV tends to switch between different cameras in a scene. Possibly another thing improving the movie's general watchability.

Overall I'm pleasantly and happily surprised by the film. I'd give it an 8/10.


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Just came back from it. It's a superhero origin film in the line of Cloverfield meets Unbreakable/Akira. I loved it!


 

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The weather calmed down so I went out to see it yesterday. Ok movie. Nothing spectacular, but not bad. Not at all a happy film though.


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I liked the movie. I also liked that we finally got the Sylar vs Peter Petrelli fight we've been waiting for.


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I just got back from it myself. Not bad. It's a good, solid, story with believeable charcters. It's a good 'origin' story, however, I hope they don't make a sequel as a cash-grab. I really liked it, but I think the story's told with the one. More movies should take a clue from that though so it wouldn't surprise me if they did make another.

All in all, it's one I'll add to my collection when it comes out on DVD.


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Just watched it. I think this is one movie that was definitely hurt by its commercials. Anyone who watched a single commercial or trailer would lose any sense of cinematic reveal, and may end up like a lot of movie-goers that think a film sucks if it didn't surprise them. Do not expect the film to be like the trailer; it is much better than the trailer indicates.

I thought the three main characters were all very well cast and very believable. There were a couple scenes that did actually manage to surprise me, and I'm so very glad that these scenes weren't the ones chosen for commercials (which mostly focused on the very beginning and very ending scenes). A couple characters stood out to me, including Michael B. Jordan as a popular black socialite that didn't fall into cliches of teen popularity, and Michael Kelly as the abusive father. Overall, I thought the characters acted believably and with real emotion, which made even the fairly predictable plot interesting and riveting to me. Props go to the first time writer-director Max Landis and write Josh Trank, who made great use of emotion to exploit the eccentricities of teen angst and interaction without appearing cliched. I look forward to seeing more from them.

As far as the "found-footage" mechanic goes, I thought it was very well done. This is NOT Paranormal Activities: Super Heroes. Instead, the camera work both aids the story and works very well to capture the feel, but never had me saying "this would work better with traditional cameras." The CGI was low-tech, but extremely well utilized and photo-realistic. I liked the way they used it far more than any summer block-buster I can recall. The flying scenes in particular were great. The minimalistic nature of the superpowers combine well with the camerawork to give a sense of "this is real," aided by the characters' emotions. I also liked the fact the film didn't try to overextend to be a traditional two hour movie; the shorter run-time fit well and should be used more often.

I had a few gripes, but they were mostly minor. For instance, one of the film's three main characters was very loosely defined compared to the other two (he liked philosophy and was "too cool for school"), but he still managed to appear real despite his limited background and characterization. Another character, the aforementioned character's love-interest, was used very little and seemed to have little point in the frame-work of the movie. Finally, the ending was a little anti-climatic and could have been done better with a little more foreshadowing to make it appear relevant and connected (feel free to walk out after the last fight scene).

Overall, the film's innovative use of low-budget CGI and camerawork aid the presentation and help the rather predictable story, which is aided by great performances by the actors and some of the best, non-cliched writing I've seen for teen characters. I'd recommend it because of its writing and superb use of technical features, though not necessarily for its fairly predictable plotline. I will warn you: it is dark. It doesn't sugarcoat issues like bullying, domestic violence, and animal cruelty (a spider, not a big part of the story but memorable). However, it is a well-rounded movie, with genuinely funny moments combined with genuinely depressing ones. I'd give it 9 out of 10 stars.


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I have to admit it turned out to be a fairly good flick. Plot was solid. Actors put off some good energy. The kid going dark side was way better then anakins in the prequels.

Id say give it a watch and appreciate how diverse telekinesis really is.


 

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just watched it. I'd have preferred if the out comes of the characters arcs would have been reversed... as it is a little less cliche. I don't know if it was trying to give or trying to avoid messages, but the set up of the film seems that regardless of how it turned out would have given a message of some sort... i think the best possible route would have been if Steve or Matt would ave become the villain as you could avoid the whole Popular = good message, but whatever.

I hope there is a sequel where 3 come back ^.^


 

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just watched it. I'd have preferred if the out comes of the characters arcs would have been reversed... as it is a little less cliche. I don't know if it was trying to give or trying to avoid messages, but the set up of the film seems that regardless of how it turned out would have given a message of some sort... i think the best possible route would have been if Steve or Matt would ave become the villain as you could avoid the whole Popular = good message, but whatever.

I hope there is a sequel where 3 come back ^.^
I don't know, I thought that the popular kid was portrayed as less stereotypical than most of his kind, as he seems to be a genuinely good person that simply didn't understand a different life, rather than being an arrogant *****. He was popular because he was nice and sociable (remember him leaving the party and being nice to Andrew?), so it makes sense that he would act like he did. Him being a villain would seem more stereotypical to me, as outcasts vs popular kids is a little overdone in my opinion.


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I don't know, I thought that the popular kid was portrayed as less stereotypical than most of his kind, as he seems to be a genuinely good person that simply didn't understand a different life, rather than being an arrogant *****. He was popular because he was nice and sociable (remember him leaving the party and being nice to Andrew?), so it makes sense that he would act like he did. Him being a villain would seem more stereotypical to me, as outcasts vs popular kids is a little overdone in my opinion.
That's semi true, but it comes off as a sorta as he becomes evil because everyone is mean to him. As if it is saying "yeah it's ok to be a jerk just because others are mean to you" it also seems to send the message of "you shouldn't bully people because one day they may be stronger than you" instead of a good message like "Hey you should be nice regardless of how the world treats you"

Conversely though if they had Matt or Steve become all villainy they'd send an equally bad message of "They're only nice to him and good is because they are so popular and have a good life" or "Just be glad they can't do worse because those popular people are psychos"

Overall I think it was just a little too forced with Andrew. Not that it's not realistic, but because the more they pile up on this one character the more they become unrelateable both in and out of the story.

Andrew is a loser who gets picked on in school, abused by his out of work father, while is mother is dying of sickness, who's only friends are the two most popular people in the school which came about by happen stance and he films everything for no reason who is also a virgin who not only has no skills but also recognizes he has no skills nor is he that intelligent and he doesn't seem have games or access to the net (or much) and he doesn't do drugs or play sports or read or do art or have any hobby defined.

From what we are told of this character we can only construct that his days are pretty much get bullied all day and sit in his room staring at the ceiling without thinking. You don't get the impression that he's smart or talented or doing well in school or anything that could give him that reality... all you get is him being screwed with and him looking at the ceiling doing nothing else more or less and everything we see other than that is a product of things that happens after the start of the movie.

He's a poorly developed character and doesn't work...

On the other hand Steve and Matt are far more developed and not just "well everything good happens to them" which is really kinda crappy because Steve is only really in there as a warning sign, which isn't utilized well at all either.

Matt, on the other hand, has a lot of deeper character. He's popular, he's nice, but he's not just popular and nice. He's also probably the smartest of the 3. He reads philosophy, has a girlfriend, has other friends, he's adventurous, and is thinking about the consequences of the actions that these powers might allow them to do.

now if you would have had Matt or Steve go evil and have Andrew as a tertiary background character you could have told better and more cerebral story imo. You see yourself in Matt or Steve because they are relatable and charismatic, plus they are completely different in their philosophies and I could see where they'd do this or that for their reasons. They would act like a hero or villain because there is so much you could do with the whole "fun loving politician" vs "Philosopher but slacker" positions no matter which way you go.

Andrew when you really look at him falls flat as a main character and noone can really relate to him because he acts like a child in his reaction and in his life in terms of throwing a fit and all like that, but he's not innocent in any way and as such his character is static and there is no arc there.


 

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That's semi true, but it comes off as a sorta as he becomes evil because everyone is mean to him. As if it is saying "yeah it's ok to be a jerk just because others are mean to you" it also seems to send the message of "you shouldn't bully people because one day they may be stronger than you" instead of a good message like "Hey you should be nice regardless of how the world treats you"

Conversely though if they had Matt or Steve become all villainy they'd send an equally bad message of "They're only nice to him and good is because they are so popular and have a good life" or "Just be glad they can't do worse because those popular people are psychos"

Overall I think it was just a little too forced with Andrew. Not that it's not realistic, but because the more they pile up on this one character the more they become unrelateable both in and out of the story.

Andrew is a loser who gets picked on in school, abused by his out of work father, while is mother is dying of sickness, who's only friends are the two most popular people in the school which came about by happen stance and he films everything for no reason who is also a virgin who not only has no skills but also recognizes he has no skills nor is he that intelligent and he doesn't seem have games or access to the net (or much) and he doesn't do drugs or play sports or read or do art or have any hobby defined.

From what we are told of this character we can only construct that his days are pretty much get bullied all day and sit in his room staring at the ceiling without thinking. You don't get the impression that he's smart or talented or doing well in school or anything that could give him that reality... all you get is him being screwed with and him looking at the ceiling doing nothing else more or less and everything we see other than that is a product of things that happens after the start of the movie.

He's a poorly developed character and doesn't work...

On the other hand Steve and Matt are far more developed and not just "well everything good happens to them" which is really kinda crappy because Steve is only really in there as a warning sign, which isn't utilized well at all either.

Matt, on the other hand, has a lot of deeper character. He's popular, he's nice, but he's not just popular and nice. He's also probably the smartest of the 3. He reads philosophy, has a girlfriend, has other friends, he's adventurous, and is thinking about the consequences of the actions that these powers might allow them to do.

now if you would have had Matt or Steve go evil and have Andrew as a tertiary background character you could have told better and more cerebral story imo. You see yourself in Matt or Steve because they are relatable and charismatic, plus they are completely different in their philosophies and I could see where they'd do this or that for their reasons. They would act like a hero or villain because there is so much you could do with the whole "fun loving politician" vs "Philosopher but slacker" positions no matter which way you go.

Andrew when you really look at him falls flat as a main character and noone can really relate to him because he acts like a child in his reaction and in his life in terms of throwing a fit and all like that, but he's not innocent in any way and as such his character is static and there is no arc there.

Honestly. The kid has been picked on and beaten down for a good portion of his life.

He's essentially been shown and acclimated to "might makes right". And, now that he's in a position to be a bigger, badder bully, he doesn't have the self-restraint due to all the suppressed anger and hostility he's been keeping bottled up.

His attempt to define himself as a new species and an apex predator is simply his way of dehumanizing others so he doesn't have to deal with the moral, ethical and emotional consequences of killing "people".

Note how broken up he was when his friend died, and how he just bottled it up when confronted in a hostile manner by his cousin.

You may think having the "picked on kid" go berserk is cliche, but it's honestly the most realistic of the three.

Look at how each viewed their abilities.

Steve viewed it as a trick. An, admittedly, cool ability that he was basically using it as a...romantic aid and not a lot more. The best comic book analogy to him would probably be Booster Gold.

Matt looked at it as an ability with great potential (both good and bad). He simply hadn't taken the morality of it much beyond the morality of the moment though. "Jeeze, we hurt someone, we shouldn't do that". It was a dirty little secret to him. The best comic book analogy to him would be a young Clark Kent when his powers first manifested.

For Andrew, on the other hand, it was transformative. He finally was given the ability to fight back, as he saw it. But for people who've been beaten and downtrodden like that, the idea of "proportionate retribution" just doesn't enter the picture. And because of his upbringing (or lack of), there were no more than rudimentary moral compunctions in place to stop him from letting his id run wild. He's unhappy and repentant because any sort of "acting out" was usually a prelude to a beating. But, because he's so caught up in his own misery, and because his punishments have been so inappropriately common, he has no real moral framework. Just a flimsy simulacrum that keeps him from being beaten constantly.

When it finally, completely, clicks that NOBODY can do that to him anymore if he doesn't want it to happen, and that he has formidible "weapons" in place to enforce his will, he goes on a power trip.


As I said, you may not LIKE the characterization, but IMNSHO, it's dead on and the most realistic of the three.



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Honestly. The kid has been picked on and beaten down for a good portion of his life.

He's essentially been shown and acclimated to "might makes right". And, now that he's in a position to be a bigger, badder bully, he doesn't have the self-restraint due to all the suppressed anger and hostility he's been keeping bottled up.

His attempt to define himself as a new species and an apex predator is simply his way of dehumanizing others so he doesn't have to deal with the moral, ethical and emotional consequences of killing "people".

Note how broken up he was when his friend died, and how he just bottled it up when confronted in a hostile manner by his cousin.

You may think having the "picked on kid" go berserk is cliche, but it's honestly the most realistic of the three.

Look at how each viewed their abilities.

Steve viewed it as a trick. An, admittedly, cool ability that he was basically using it as a...romantic aid and not a lot more. The best comic book analogy to him would probably be Booster Gold.

Matt looked at it as an ability with great potential (both good and bad). He simply hadn't taken the morality of it much beyond the morality of the moment though. "Jeeze, we hurt someone, we shouldn't do that". It was a dirty little secret to him. The best comic book analogy to him would be a young Clark Kent when his powers first manifested.

For Andrew, on the other hand, it was transformative. He finally was given the ability to fight back, as he saw it. But for people who've been beaten and downtrodden like that, the idea of "proportionate retribution" just doesn't enter the picture. And because of his upbringing (or lack of), there were no more than rudimentary moral compunctions in place to stop him from letting his id run wild. He's unhappy and repentant because any sort of "acting out" was usually a prelude to a beating. But, because he's so caught up in his own misery, and because his punishments have been so inappropriately common, he has no real moral framework. Just a flimsy simulacrum that keeps him from being beaten constantly.

When it finally, completely, clicks that NOBODY can do that to him anymore if he doesn't want it to happen, and that he has formidible "weapons" in place to enforce his will, he goes on a power trip.


As I said, you may not LIKE the characterization, but IMNSHO, it's dead on and the most realistic of the three.
It's realistic that he would snap, but it's not realistic in that his life being that way is unrealistic because no one would be like that. We have natural defense mechanism to protect ourselves from such extreme situations. We call it escape. The kid would have picked up reading books, art, school work, etc... even split personalities. People don't just sit in their room and stair at the ceiling and even if they do they escape into their own mind and are hyper creative and/or into deep thinking which Andrew isn't in any way from what we see.


 

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It's realistic that he would snap, but it's not realistic in that his life being that way is unrealistic because no one would be like that.
I'll just say that you've had a VERY sheltered upbringing then and compliment your parents on their skill.



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Incidentally, Chroncile's screenwriter, Max Landis, has a hilarious "educational parody" video about the 1992 Death of Superman comic event, starring Elijah Wood, Mandy Moore, Simon Pegg and many more. Its NSFW language of the "WTF" variety rules out linking here, but anyone Google it up with that information.


 

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Incidentally, Chroncile's screenwriter, Max Landis, has a hilarious "educational parody" video about the 1992 Death of Superman comic event, starring Elijah Wood, Mandy Moore, Simon Pegg and many more. Its NSFW language of the "WTF" variety rules out linking here, but anyone Google it up with that information.
If the guy at the start of the clip was the writer (found it on some comics site), he came off as a pompous bozo, so I gave up in short order.


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If the guy at the start of the clip was the writer (found it on some comics site), he came off as a pompous bozo, so I gave up in short order.
It's all in fun, Landis's commentary-performance included. Just wait until you get to Simon Pegg.