Moral Obligations and MMOs
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Posted on: 2012-01-14 22:51 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Will you people shush up and let me have my super pack fix already??
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You seem to want to fight for some reason. The real life money you pay for the chance at any of the hundreds of items is the gamble. Its actually not that hard to recognize this fact unless you have alternative motives.|
Originally Posted by Bosstone
If you purchase a pack desiring nothing but, say, the Scrapper proc ATO or a costume piece, then sure, it's gambling, because you might not get what you're expecting to get.
If, however, you purchase a pack expecting to get some random interesting/useful things with maybe one or two really neat items, then it's not gambling, because a pack will deliver every time, even if you don't want or need everything in the pack. Probability is funny like that. It depends a great deal on knowledge and intention even when the actual action goes unchanged. Also you have no business referencing a dictionary when you don't get rabblerouser right.  |
I used rebelrouser(a non word) on purpose as part of the humor in this absurd situation.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Go for it, nobody I know of is trying to stop you from gambling.
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Originally Posted by Quantum Evil
Will you people shush up and let me have my super pack fix already??
/baby needs a new pair of Corruptor ATIOs! |
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
Am I only the only person who ever bought trading cards?
This "gambling" argument is just sad.
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Frankly, there really is no argument from me as much as a statement. It is literally a gamble. Now you are welcomed to say its not paying real life money for a chance at something, I'll just agree to disagree and all will be well in the world again ok?
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
Am I only the only person who ever bought trading cards?
This "gambling" argument is just sad. |
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The letter of the definition isn't necessarily the spirit. Yes, on a wildly nitpicky technicality, it's gambling. But it's ridiculous to think of it as such.|
Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
Definitions like to bet on an uncertain outcome from stupidly liberal Merriam Webster and her bunch of leftist rebelrousers...I see.
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
You seem to want to fight for some reason.
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
Am I only the only person who ever bought trading cards?
This "gambling" argument is just sad. |
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Imagine how bad I feel, I just brought my 8 year old back from Gamblers Anonymous and all because I got her a blind pack of Moshi Monsters.|
Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
Am I only the only person who ever bought trading cards?
This "gambling" argument is just sad. |
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No, it's called a discussion with differing opinions.
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
You seem to want to fight for some reason.
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| The real life money you pay for the chance at any of the hundreds of items is the gamble. Its actually not that hard to recognize this fact unless you have alternative motives. |
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| I used rebelrouser(a non word) on purpose as part of the humor in this absurd situation. |
De minimis non curat Lex Luthor.
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The gamble comes from paying real life money for the chance at the items. It has nothing to do with your personal desire for the items.
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Originally Posted by Bosstone
It's not a gamble if you don't care what you get.
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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ok.
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Originally Posted by Tyger42
The letter of the definition isn't necessarily the spirit. Yes, on a wildly nitpicky technicality, it's gambling. But it's ridiculous to think of it as such.
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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I'm really baffled at this.|
Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
The gamble comes from paying real life money for the chance at the items. It has nothing to do with your personal desire for the items.
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If I spend an A-merit on 5 random recipes hoping to get a recipe that normally costs 2 A-merits, that's a gamble.
If I spend $10 on a new powerset, that's not a gamble.
It seems like it's just the fact that it costs real money that offends you. That's your prerogative, but that doesn't determine whether something is gambling or not.
De minimis non curat Lex Luthor.
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Ah I see there is a serious misunderstanding you are operating off of here. I am not offended. The only problem I ever had with the SP was items that were only available with real life money at a chance and not available in the game via playing the game.|
Originally Posted by Bosstone
I'm really baffled at this.
If I spend an A-merit on 5 random recipes hoping to get a recipe that normally costs 2 A-merits, that's a gamble. If I spend $10 on a new powerset, that's not a gamble. It seems like it's just the fact that it costs real money that offends you. That's your prerogative, but that doesn't determine whether something is gambling or not. |
At this point it is my understanding that the costume pieces are the only things in the SP that fall into that category.
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I'm not saying it's not a gamble. But to say that it flies in the face of moral and ethical obligations is just ridiculous. Magic the Gathering? Pokemon? Baseball cards? HeroClix? Gashapon? Kinder Eggs?
Jesus, what about Happy Meals? WHAT TOY IS INSIDE!?!?!?
Clearly, there is a war on ethics, and it is being waged on children...
There are no words for what this community, and the friends I have made here mean to me. Please know that I care for all of you, yes, even you. If you Twitter, I'm MrThan. If you're Unleashed, I'm dumps. I'll try and get registered on the Titan Forums as well. Peace, and thanks for the best nine years anyone could ever ask for.
For the record, this was initial response to the OP's thread starting post.
"Moral Obligations and video games...hmm..not seeing the connection."
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
Oh, I didn't mean my post as a response solely to you. I was speaking to what I felt was the spirit of the thread. If it came off that way, I do apologize.
There are no words for what this community, and the friends I have made here mean to me. Please know that I care for all of you, yes, even you. If you Twitter, I'm MrThan. If you're Unleashed, I'm dumps. I'll try and get registered on the Titan Forums as well. Peace, and thanks for the best nine years anyone could ever ask for.
I was once concerned with the moral obligations of my actions, but then she woke up.
"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict
Wow. I am so glad you are still around, Reiraku. 
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By technical definition, since we're being so nitpicky, real life money is irrelevant. We're gambling every time we attack or get attacked in this game.
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
The gamble comes from paying real life money for the chance at the items. It has nothing to do with your personal desire for the items.
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Thanks for confirming that you have no argument.
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
ok.
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No actually that was agreeing with you confirming that it is gambling, attempts to minimize and belittle the fact notwithstanding.
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Originally Posted by Tyger42
Thanks for confirming that you have no argument.
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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This back and forth has gone on for so long that I don't even remember anymore what it is you're attempting to label as gambling with such scandalous implications. As if the mere mention of the g-word should make us all gasp with shock.
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
No actually that was agreeing with you confirming that it is gambling, attempts to minimize and belittle the fact notwithstanding.
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Yes, by a ridiculous stretch of the technical definition of the term, it's gambling. What you're doing is what we like to call "nitpicking semantics". Its generally a tactic used by someone who has a very weak argument and is considered petty. Yes, by the literal definition of the term, it's gambling. But so is hitting your attack button every time in the game.
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
No actually that was agreeing with you confirming that it is gambling, attempts to minimize and belittle the fact notwithstanding.
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I foresee a great future in politics for him, by god!
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Originally Posted by Tyger42
What you're doing is what we like to call "nitpicking semantics". Its generally a tactic used by someone who has a very weak argument and is considered petty.
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Guys
You put quarters in the machine and it gives you CANDY. Did you all miss out on having a childhood or something? It's not a gamble when I get CANDY.
If, however, you purchase a pack expecting to get some random interesting/useful things with maybe one or two really neat items, then it's not gambling, because a pack will deliver every time, even if you don't want or need everything in the pack.
Probability is funny like that. It depends a great deal on knowledge and intention even when the actual action goes unchanged.
Also you have no business referencing a dictionary when you don't get rabblerouser right.
De minimis non curat Lex Luthor.