You're adding hyperbole to what the Devs said at the time. They said that there was something in the pipes for Dominators, but that they didn't have time to get the animators on it until I22. We now know that it is Dark Control and Dark Assault for Dominators, and a modified version of Dark Miasma for Controllers called Dark Affinity.
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No Hyperbole intended. And are you sure that's what they meant? They're adding.. dark powers to the arctype? Pardon me that's not a huge change. That's just an addition. No wonder I am confused. (It's also been rumored that the melee staff fighting power is coming out with issue 22 and that issue 22 isn't that far off.. but again I am merely goin on rumor here..)
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
You're adding hyperbole to what the Devs said at the time. They said that there was something in the pipes for Dominators, but that they didn't have time to get the animators on it until I22. We now know that it is Dark Control and Dark Assault for Dominators, and a modified version of Dark Miasma for Controllers called Dark Affinity.
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I figured that you didn't mean to use hyperbole there. Dev comments just sometimes get blown up over time. No harm, no foul. Apologies if I came off too harsh.|
Originally Posted by Dynamix
No Hyperbole intended. And are you sure that's what they meant? They're adding.. dark powers to the arctype? Pardon me that's not a huge change. That's just an addition. No wonder I am confused. (It's also been rumored that the melee staff fighting power is coming out with issue 22 and that issue 22 isn't that far off.. but again I am merely goin on rumor here..)
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I also think that Dark Control/Dark assault are a little less than what they made it seem like, but that's what we're getting. The last round of proliferation didn't have enough time for the animators to get both the proliferation and the new sets done in time, along with Titan Weapons and Beam Rifle, which came out after/same time. As such, the Dominator sets got pushed back a bit. There's a decent amount of animation work that is going into the Control powers, from what I hear (no tentacles, but more of an inky effect), so I can understand that a bit.
Staff Melee will come out slightly after I22, from what I've heard.
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I agree. Dark/Dark isn't exactly a "exciting plan" which I believe is the kind of word the Dev used.
I don't particularly find /Dark Assault that exciting. Dark Control is ok (since they've decided that they are not going to port Illusion).
Dark Control isn't exactly the ONLY surprise for Dominator since Controller gets it and gets another support set.
Overall, Dominator is still lagging behind in sets. I thought for sure the surprise is Whip Assault and that's why it was taking so long to give Dominator anything.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
Dominators are lagging behind in sets.. they need to catch up a lot.. Melee keeps getting more and more sets..
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Originally Posted by Airhammer
Dominators are lagging behind in sets.. they need to catch up a lot.. Melee keeps getting more and more sets..
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The word was "special". Still waiting to find out what that is.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
I agree. Dark/Dark isn't exactly a "exciting plan" which I believe is the kind of word the Dev used.
I don't particularly find /Dark Assault that exciting. Dark Control is ok (since they've decided that they are not going to port Illusion). Dark Control isn't exactly the ONLY surprise for Dominator since Controller gets it and gets another support set. Overall, Dominator is still lagging behind in sets. I thought for sure the surprise is Whip Assault and that's why it was taking so long to give Dominator anything. |
Please buff Ice Control.
The 'special' thing is adding to us a set that controllers are also getting (to go with the set they got through proliferation) and giving us a blaster secondary (which as we know are too complicated to be given through proliferation).
We got the fuzzy end of the lollipop. We're too minor a population to bother giving equal treatment. Deal with it.
Depends on how you look at it. From the flipside perspective, Dominators are hogging an entire powerset type to themselves, and are 100% powerset combo exclusive, while Corruptors/Defenders and Brutes/Stalkers/Scrappers/Tankers duplicate each other's configurations. Considering Dominators are 1 AT, they have more unique combos than the melees do averaged across the 4 ATs.
Having to "share" a set with Controllers is neither here nor there, since Controllers share their primary with 1 AT and their secondary with 4.
Which is not to say I'm sitting here angry about it, only that this is mostly a matter of perspective. Long story short, Dominators have the most unique and isolated powerset combos possible, with both the good and bad that implies.
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We are 'more isolated' than anyone else, sure - two ATs for primary, two for secondary, comparing to the mastermind's one primary, four secondary - but that doesn't un-fuzzy this lollipop.
I also have to wonder if Assault sets, being composed (almost?) exclusively of powers from other sets, are easier to design than other sets. Seems like for the most part you can slap together some powers from [foo] melee and [foo] blast, call it [foo] assault and call it a day.
Well, if Dark/Dark was meant to be the special bone that the Devs were throwing to us then it's been completely overshadowed by that Mastermind set that was leaked.
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Yeah, considering that Dominators got no proliferation the last go-round, they do seem to be getting the fuzzy end of the lollipop. Dark Control does look nice, but Dark Assault isn't a cohesive set. Beast Summoning, or whatever it's called, looks a lot better by comparison.
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Originally Posted by Snowzone
Well, if Dark/Dark was meant to be the special bone that the Devs were throwing to us then it's been completely overshadowed by that Mastermind set that was leaked.
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I admit, after waiting so long and watching everyone else getting multiple powersets while Doms got nothing, it would take something really spectacular to rate better than "well, finally."
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Originally Posted by Avatea
What about Dominators?
Youve probably noticed that Dominators didnt get new powers this time around. We have exciting future plans for the archetype that we cant talk about right now that will most likely occur post Issue 21. So, stay tuned! |
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First off. Dark Control is not happening in I22 (at least the beta doesn't have it yet) Masterminds are getting Beast Mastery soon (accidental unlocking on the beta server) and Controllers are getting Darkness Affinity (Extra Cool Dark Miasma).
I say woopdie friggin doo. The announcement said:
"What about Dominators?
You've probably noticed that Dominators didn't get new powers this time around. We have exciting future plans for the archetype that we can't talk about right now that will most likely occur post Issue 21. So, stay tuned!"
Call me a pessimist... but when they say they have a) exciting plans for b) the archetype, that means it will a) be exciting and b) be for the archetype. Right now, darkness Assault (which is almost exactly the same as Blaster's darkness manipulation) is not a) exciting and b) only for the archetype. Blasters got it first. Controllers will get Dark Control. Therefor I cannot see how dark control or dark assault are what they referenced... unless they thought there are thousands of darkness fan-boi's out there....
Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
It is going to be in i22. Check the known issues thread. It's likely Synapse accidentally put Beast Mastery up instead of Dark Control.
I still say woopdie doo
Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
The woopdie doo stance remains, yes. But hey, there are like, fourteen of us on this forum.
Im sorry I glossed the set over and I am very underwhelmed..
I guess ill just level my Mind/Energy Dom because I am not that excited about the Dark Control Dark Assault..
Ill take a closer look when I get home but so far im am not impressed.. even less so because I know that Staff Fighting and Beast Summoning are coming and they look REALLY interesting..
Im not saying that MM's dont need something new.. I play MM's a little and they havent had a new primary in a while..
But come on.. Doms are like the red headed stepchild..
Im going to start playing my Doms more and more so people can understand the awesomeness and want to make them.. hopefully the community will get stronger a sa result..
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I don't understand this thread.
I am not aware of players complaining that the dominator AT is broken or superfluous. There seems to be no need of an overhaul or buff to the AT.
So if the devs are doing something to the AT, what are you hoping for?
1. an unneeded buff?
2. an unneeded overhaul?
3. a nerf?
4. new powersets?
afaik dark has long been the powersets people envied defender for. Everyone wanted dark. Now that dom's are getting it players are complaining that they get it.
if you think dominators have problems, start a thread of problems with the AT. Be specific and constructive - the devs read threads like that.
But this thread reads like a kid complaining at christmas because he wants more toys to open even though he got everything he asked for.
The issue is not that there's anything I want, it's that we were told we were going to get something special. We did not. We will not. We cannot. Simply put, the earlier sentiment by Avatea was a pacifying statement meant to make the minority of Dom players shut up for a while and avoid them detracting too much from the important thing in the announcement MOAR STUFF FOR SCRAPPERS.
I would consider an Illusion proliferation special enough. And what's the holdup on that, anyway? Don't tell me it'd be overpowered because Doms don't get the buff sets that make it overpowered on Controllers.
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The devs have shown in the past to be reluctant to repeat mistakes. Illusion is probably past their internal line of 'too much' but they can't easily fix it. Proliferating it would make the fixing twice as complicated.
Way to look a gift horse in the mouth, people. Also, why should Doms ever have a set Controllers don't get for Primary? That seems silly.... some folks seem to be mad about this.
I guess that everyone has forgotten. Once upon a time the developers had hinted that there were HUGE changes coming to the dominator archtype. As a matter of fact, it's the reason why there were no power proliferation changes to the archtype the last time around. And yet, all this time there's been no word, no hint, not even a sneak peak of what this huge change is suppose to be?
Has anyone heard anything?
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