Where the hoo-ha did "Toon" come from?
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80sBaby,
Posted on: 2012-01-09 24:26 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by 80sBaby
Electric-Knight, you need to start and ALL-TOON SG.
I'd join.  |
Me too that robo-bunny is so cool I'm considering doing one myself.
Also, I find the fact that this argument is still going on to be fairly amusing. I use toon all the time, and if someone wants to call Knights in Chess Horsies then let them.
Calling missions quests and powers spells, however...
Keel them!!!
Eco
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."
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Pretty much. I tend to use char for shorthand, but I'm pretty sure I've used toon before as well. Both mean 'character' in a round about way, so...eh. It's a word.|
Originally Posted by Organica
Toon is easier to type. The End.
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And anyone insulting my intelligence had better own a pistol and be up at dawn, because we are going to dual, [Pancake]
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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So I skipped pages 4-7 or so. But there've been three common themes throughout this thread, and I'd like to address all of them.
1) MY WORDS ARE BETTER THAN YOUR WORDS
I actually just think this kind of nerd rage is kind of funny and I wanted to make fun of it.
2) The word 'toon' is part of the chatspeak plague!
This doesn't even make sense. "hei u ppl" is irritating to read because it breaks language conventions for no reason. It looks sloppy and is heavily associated with people who actually pride themselves on being only semi-literate, which means using it carries connotations of anti-intellectualism.* Every single one of those words has a proper spelling, and the first one is actually just as easy to type out. If you wanted to transcribe someone speaking that conversation aloud, you would write "hey, you people" instead.
On the other hand, "toon" doesn't break any language conventions at all. English is a living language and it picks up new meanings and even whole new words all the time. Shakespeare is lauded for inventing thousands of new words, so I don't understand why inventing a few is seen as a bad thing. I actually use the word "toon" in casual conversation about MMORPGs, and if you wanted to transcribe one of those conversations there is no more accurate way to do it than by writing out "I'm probably going to get a Praetorian toon for City of Heroes soon."
*As a side note, were it not for these connotations, chatspeak would be an unquestionably more efficient method of communication. Saving time and effort is a good thing, period. Unfortunately, words communicate more than just their literal meaning, and opening up a conversation with "hei u ppl" labels you as an idiot even if it is objectively superior in terms of raw efficiency.
3) My character has too much depth to be called a toon!
I always question whether people actually have the qualities they bring up in very tangentially related conversations. Regardless, for me at least, "toon" and "character" aren't synonyms. I have a toon called Burning Samael. He's a level 12 fire scrapper Hero with a pretty striking look (I think). I think I'm going to delete him and make a new one as a fire blaster instead, though, and just copy the appearance. I might also change the adjective on the name, because I'm not sure I like how it sounds.
On the other hand, I have a character named Samael. Samael is a sometimes over-serious vigilante. He doesn't intentionally kill the criminals he fights, but his powers are mostly related to setting things on fire and sometimes there's some collateral damage. His past is something I've put a lot of thought into, but I'm not going to write it out here, because once I get upgraded to preemie status I'll be able to start some actual in-game roleplay, and I want to introduce the character with a plotline that largely revolves around unraveling the exact circumstances behind the origin of his powers. In one of the flash fiction pieces I've been writing about him, there's a scene where he's out of costume. Despite the fact that Burning Samael the toon will never be out of costume and his successor <adjective> Samael probably won't either, the character Samael totally can take a shower.
Just my two cents.
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The new word is Fonaghleim, everyone from this point on must use it to declare they have created a new character. Why? Cause woman logic is the best logic. ''Toon'' is dated, so now it's all about the Fonaghleim.
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Originally Posted by Lulipop
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The new word is Fonaghleim, everyone from this point on must use it to declare they have created a new character. Why? Cause woman logic is the best logic. ''Toon'' is dated, so now it's all about the Fonaghleim. |
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Originally Posted by Blood Red Arachnid
I am surprised this turned into an argument. Though I prefer to call my characters... well... characters, I never saw the point to go nerd rage over it.
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No, stupid, it's "doesn't need a reason nor a point"! RAAAAAAAWRRRRR!!!
And you put your ending punctuation outside the quotation mark! RAAAAAAWWRRRRR!!!
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Originally Posted by Chris_Zuercher
Nerd rage doesn't need a reason or a point.
No, stupid, it's "doesn't need a reason nor a point"! RAAAAAAAWRRRRR!!! And you put your ending punctuation outside the quotation mark! RAAAAAAWWRRRRR!!! |
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Stacie's mom has got it going on.|
Originally Posted by Party_Kake
You guys don't call your characters Malibu Stacies?
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Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
Calling missions quests and powers spells, however...
Keel them!!! |
--NT
They all laughed at me when I said I wanted to be a comedian.
But I showed them, and nobody's laughing at me now!
If I became a red name, I would be all "and what would you mere mortals like to entertain me with today, mu hu ha ha ha!" ~Arcanaville
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Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
Calling missions quests and powers spells, however...
Keel them!!! |
Also: what if they're of magic origin? Their powers might very well be magic spells.
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Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
Apparently you stopped reading after the first sentence of the second paragraph you quoted, so let me sum up the point again:
There's a difference between a cartoon and a cartoon character. Sleeping Beauty -- the movie -- is a cartoon. Princess Aurora -- the main character in (Disney's version of) the story and often referred to as "Sleeping Beauty" -- is a cartoon character. Superman -- the comic book -- is a cartoon. Superman -- the main character featured in that comic book -- is a cartoon character. The drawings themselves are cartoons, the characters they depict are not. A photo of me doesn't make me a photo, it makes me the subject of one. And again, I say... enjoy your Snuggie. |
Toon does not equal Cartoon...
Toon stands for a cartoon character that has come to life... which is what being able to control these avatars with their attached stories, backgrounds, experiences and abilities feels like for some players.
You, personally, believe the word toon to be lowly. Others don't. However, it is not simply a shortened version of cartoon.
As a complete aside...
If there's a game based on Pixar's "Cars"... do people call the avatars that they control Car Toons?
Bwaha... ha... ha... Hah.
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
Double-Posting, because sometimes I think it is better to do (should I start another thread for debating that?)...
Thanks much for the kind words, peoples! I'm glad you enjoyed the character creation that this thread inspired!
And... You've got me thinking that maybe we should form a Super Team of these iToons... Lead by their creator, a mad (but happy) scientist... somewhat like Professor Farnsworth, but resembling Mel Blanc... Who unleashes them on tasks to perform with their programmed pizazz!
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Originally Posted by KianaZero
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Anyway, we'll talk more about the iToons group another time...
Okay, instead of triple-posting:
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Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
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Calling missions quests and powers spells, however... Keel them!!! |
Maybe we should all be dropping our teensy little disagreements (to toon or not to toon... that's not the question!) and focus on our common enemies of utter disgust!!
KEEEEEEEL THEM!!!!!
Although... they do provide me with the opportunity to quote Pippin from the movies and say, "...mission... quest... THING!".
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
Electric-Knight, you need to start and ALL-TOON SG.
I'd join.