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What is this? I was on Facebook using a nearly public access (Hotel WiFi) in another state just yesterday. I have never heard of this happening there.
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
Shenanigans.
I've logged in to Facebook from various states without a problem. I've not seen Facebook use any location tracking system that locks me out of my account. Shenanigans. |
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Weird, it did it to me when I visited FL on vacation last year. |
As well, she received a similar email when she was visiting her mom in Pennsylvania. It said something about being logged in, in Ontario and her logging in in PA was unusual, so they did the same.
Thank you, Champion.
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Please explain to me how a company risking serious charges by allowing a third party to sell pieces of their intellectual property they have no rights to can possibly be "a positive step in a good direction". Because that's the situation. |
Originally Posted by Twigman
I don't remember dismissing it. Or stating it couldn't happen, I said that if the FBI went after a company that tried to make a, I believe, positive step in a good direction. I'm disappointed. It would also show how much fear is in the hearts of the United States.
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At bare minimum the servers would be shut down for the duration of any investigation, regardless of the end result. That's because it is standard procedure to shut down any site when the owners are being charged with internet fraud. They're hardly going to let a company continue to commit fraud while they're being investigated for it.
Do you know why the Marvel lawsuit of a few years back happened? It happened because Marvel HAD to pursue legal action in order to defend their trademark rights.
By allowing a third party company to use their intellectual property to profit from, without any rights or royalties being paid to he owner of that property, the owners of said property are essentially forfeiting their rights to it.
Marvel had no choice but to sue, regardless of the outcome, or their ownership of their trademark rights would have been called into question.
Same thing here.
Not only would Paragon Studios, and by extension NCSoft, be risking their game being forcibly shut down, they would also be running the risk of losing their rights to it if they allow a third party to sell pieces of it for profit without making any attempt to stop them.
Are any of those things especially likely to happen? Not really. But they'd have to be insane to risk it just so other people can illegally profit from their game.
It's murky and difficult to follow, but what it boils down to is that it will NEVER be a good idea for Paragon Studios to embrace and/or encourage gold farmers. Your belief to the contrary is, I hate to say it, completely irrelevant to the issue.
No, that's not true. I didn't hate saying that at all.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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I'm not sure why it's not what you expected from me, aside from the fact that you don't know me. People that know me would expect a comment exactly like that from me.|
Originally Posted by Twigman
<-- my global
AWE ... not nice ... and not what I expected from you justice. LOL. Though, bringing an important problem to light ... which I did mean to write an answer for ... it would require a certain number of /ingnorespammers. Secoundly, it would last a week. So, if a real player got spam sushed. He might want to use that time to think about how he treats other players ... FTW  |
See that little
at the end of the post? It's labeled as Roll Eyes (Sarcastic) when you hover over it. Just as your is labeled Big Grin when you hover over it.I've said it in the past and I'll say it again now:
Other than my posts offering Technical help, if you aren't reading the sarcasm in my posts, you need to read it again.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
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Originally Posted by Bramphousian
Recently, my wife got an email from Facebook saying something to the effect of there being a login attempt that did not match her browsing habits or location (attempt from Indonesia). It advised the attempt failed, but as a safeguard, they disabled her account and I believe told her to log in at a familiar location and change her password, or reply to the email confirming she is in Indonesia.
As well, she received a similar email when she was visiting her mom in Pennsylvania. It said something about being logged in, in Ontario and her logging in in PA was unusual, so they did the same. |
My last out of state trip was in November when I went to California. I logged in on two computers that weren't mine from two different IP addresses that weren't mine.
In addition, I logged in from my laptop that I almost never use to access Facebook from 3 different locations and IP addresses.
/shrug
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
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I'm not certain what the situation is. Myself, I don't travel often, but I've never encountered it either.
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
Interesting.
My last out of state trip was in November when I went to California. I logged in on two computers that weren't mine from two different IP addresses that weren't mine. In addition, I logged in from my laptop that I almost never use to access Facebook from 3 different locations and IP addresses. /shrug |
Thank you, Champion.
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I concur...As i wrote in an above post it was to a dull roar b4 freedom.
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Originally Posted by Stormbird
You don't use AE?
Run mission. Roll for common salvage. Stock up on what you need, dump what you don't. Get your salvage, and get some cash, while getting XP (if under 50) and more cash. Don't even need to be a farmer to do it. That said, this was a non-issue (RMTers, that is) until Freedom. F2P (even our "hybrid" model) attracts this sort of scum like flies to a honeywagon. You can thank them for a fair number of the restrictions in place already. |
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
I'm not sure why it's not what you expected from me, aside from the fact that you don't know me. People that know me would expect a comment exactly like that from me.
See that little at the end of the post? It's labeled as Roll Eyes (Sarcastic) when you hover over it. Just as your is labeled Big Grin when you hover over it.I've said it in the past and I'll say it again now: Other than my posts offering Technical help, if you aren't reading the sarcasm in my posts, you need to read it again. |
I was just being silly. LOL I see the sarcasm most cases and that's why I like reading your posts.
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A Again, I neither questioned FBI proceedure, nor stated they wouldn't procecute. Just stated I would be disappointed if they did/tried.|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Please explain to me how a company risking serious charges by allowing a third party to sell pieces of their intellectual property they have no rights to can possibly be "a positive step in a good direction". Because that's the situation.
A At bare minimum the servers would be shut down for the duration of any investigation, regardless of the end result. That's because it is standard procedure to shut down any site when the owners are being charged with internet fraud. They're hardly going to let a company continue to commit fraud while they're being investigated for it. B Do you know why the Marvel lawsuit of a few years back happened? It happened because Marvel HAD to pursue legal action in order to defend their trademark rights. C By allowing a third party company to use their intellectual property to profit from, without any rights or royalties being paid to the owner of that property, the owners of said property are essentially forfeiting their rights to it. D Marvel had no choice but to sue, regardless of the outcome, or their ownership of their trademark rights would have been called into question. E Same thing here. F.a Not only would Paragon Studios, and by extension NCSoft, be risking their game being forcibly shut down, .b they would also be running the risk of losing their rights to it if they allow a third party to sell pieces of it for profit without making any attempt to stop them. G Are any of those things especially likely to happen? Not really. But they'd have to be insane to risk it just so other people can illegally profit from their game. H It's murky and difficult to follow, but what it boils down to is that it will NEVER be a good idea for Paragon Studios to embrace and/or encourage gold farmers. Your belief to the contrary is, I hate to say it, completely irrelevant to the issue. No, that's not true. I didn't hate saying that at all. |
B The lawsuit was to protect their trademark (money making) hero designes and concepts. Players don't play this game for the INF, they play for the expirience, RP, friends, and fun.
C By forfiting rights to profit of something they have no (direct) profit from would actually protect them from procecution. Due to the fact that, we (NCsoft) neither condone the use, nor profit from "gold" traders. Just would like our players to be able to help each other in the online market.
D Of coarse Marvel had to, copies of their (money making) designs being used goes against any "game" concept they might want to make and the profit there in. Gamer: "Why would I play ____ with Batman, when I can make Batman on CoH?" That's the legitemate fear. But, "gold" is only a tool in a game ... not the reason for a game.
E See D
F.a See A ... .b I don't understand allowing the profit from one element of the game would risk every aspect of the game to be taken. Please explain that in more detail ... an example would be appriciated.
G Thanks for recognizing that we are debating options, possabilities. Some more likely than others. No one here is right or wrong. Personally, I wouldn't give the "gold" traders an inch right now either. Not because of them, and not because of Copy rights ... but because of A That is a real and legitamate fear.
H only "NEVER" because all the things that would be required for it to not be HIGH risk will NEVER happen ie: scammers won't stop scamming, those in fear won't stop being in fear, those in power will never be allowd to accept an "allow it" policy by those in fear.
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Falling short of mass CPUcide there's no possible way aside the game shutting down to completely disable RMTs. Or perhaps you could find what country they are from, send a letter to that magistrate (almost guranteed that China, Korea, Guam, Japan - mostly and not just limited to the Asian territories) demanding that they shut down this horrific crime and to stop gate by implementing Laws that prevent it. Taking away a huge market for that and possibly ruining companies/small businesses that legally operate in that Country doing this.|
Originally Posted by OMGMOREDEBT
I am not going to go as far as to mention company names because that would only be promoting the problem, but some may or may not agree: but they have to go. ON one of their sites it shows hero side as "hot" which means theyre doing ALOT of business.
So lets look at this logically:I don't have a problem with farmers. They actually WORK for their INF. But when lazy people that just buy 1000 million for 15 bucks go into wentworths and go crazy buying rares, and have a lvl 50 in 10 hours because some company PL's them and then gives them that much money, is that actually fair to people that played this game for 1,2,3 -7 years previous to the pointless free to play module? I think not. IN addition, I understand that the f2p model is what it is: a marketing gimmick and a cash cow for NCSoft. Works the same way for the gold sellers. They pay nothing. The go through the tutorial, then park a toon in every ww's on every server. This is where the f2p module is an epic fail. So heres a suggestion: The old free trial, pre f2p, you could not email or send tells until lvl 10. Why not do that with f2p? Too easy? It seemed to cut down on the spammers drastically. And if f2p players have something to say about it, they can subscribe. When the spammer spam was cut down with that free trial limitation, an observation I made personally was that the auction prices declined slightly, not much but slightly. Just food for thought and thanks for your time. PS: And for the record before anyone goes "just ignore as spammer" and/or "report them"...epic fail....you reportthem they get kicked and back in 3 minutes on a new lvl 2. Just thought I'd save you some typing. |
If you're going to write a letter to China about this problem I suggest sending offerings of higher value that will maintain said companies for some time to come until they can find a job ''less stressful on your experience'' to feed their families or selves.
G/L
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Again, answer F pls |
If you do not defend your trademark when people infringe upon it, you risk losing the rights to that trademark.
Allowing a third party to profit from something you own the trademark on, without giving them express permission to do so falls into the category of "not defending their trademark"
If they look the other way and let the goldsellers operate, they are neither permitting them or actively fighting them.
If they come out and explicitly say it is okay to do, they are effectively allowing fraud to occur within their IP. IF even ONE case of credit card fraud can be traced back to a goldseller that operates in the game, they could be in deep.
Their current stance is the ONLY stance that protects them from the negative repercussions of this issue.
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I see this statement mentioned often: “you’ll never get rid of it”. IMO focusing on the route cause and not the symptom gets you closer to ridding the game of these companies that sell influence. I have a lose idea of how you can do it. Like I posted earlier reduce the markets place in the game. Right now everything and anything is sold on the market. What if we increased the competition? What if we increased the capacity of the Merit vendors?
Merits cannot be traded. Incarante awards cannot be traded.
First, expand the options listed at Reward Merit, A-Merit, Astral Merit and Emp Merit vendors to all recipes and all salvage. Maybe you can add conversions of one type of merit to another. The devs can scale how much each item will sell for.
Next, bind all recipe drops to the account. What the??? You serious?? …hear me out. Base this on the Incarnate system where you can upgrade, downgrade, sidegrade or convert when necessary. In addition you can do the same for enhancements and salvage. The devs can apply the same type of conversion factors where you get diminishing returns but at least you can get exactly what you want. Refer to incarnate conversions for this idea.
Next, increase content that allows you to earn these types of merits. Looks like they're doing that with the new Dark Astoria so that's a definite step in the right direction but really why not open that reward system up to the entire game? This’ll reduce grinding a specific area.
In a smaller scale this model is already in place with the incarnate system. It works and everyone is happy. Take the principles of this model and apply it to the rest of the game.
Sounds like they’re kinda doing this already if you think about it… didn’t I hear something about recipe converters coming in issue 22? In the last couple of months haven’t we already added Astral and Emp Merit vendors that allow you to buy VR stuff and costume pieces? Yep, just keep going on this path and you’ll have access to everything and won’t need to buy 2billion influence with real money to obtain it.
Or is this just crazy talk? :P
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Pretty basic point of trademark law.
A( If you do not defend your trademark when people infringe upon it, you risk losing the rights to that trademark. Allowing a third party to profit from something you own the trademark on, without giving them express permission to do so falls into the category of "not defending their trademark" If they look the other way and let the goldsellers operate, they are neither permitting them or actively fighting them. ) B If they come out and explicitly say it is okay to do, they are effectively allowing fraud to occur within their IP. IF even ONE case of credit card fraud can be traced back to a goldseller that operates in the game, they could be in deep. CTheir current stance is the ONLY stance that protects them from the negative repercussions of this issue. |
B in this case ... so would ebay, craig's list, etc. Sale or trade of a product automatically makes the maker of the product copable ... every company that allows online sale should be worried.
C I agree, BUT only because fear has gripped the people of this nation.
Do you deny that if there was no identity theft problems, the only reasons to not do it would be that NCsoft chooses not to and the potential not guarunteed crash of the WW market? Besides, if they made it legal to do so, US based law abiding companies would join this "business" and put the illegal one's out of business?
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I like the concept a sidegate with a moderate monetary loss would really stick it to the "gold" traders and most likely They would lessen. Though, purples are still out there. atleast there would be a more simple trading expirience. IOs= one price, IOs= another price, etc.|
Originally Posted by Celestial Might
I see this statement mentioned often: youll never get rid of it. IMO focusing on the route cause and not the symptom gets you closer to ridding the game of these companies that sell influence. I have a lose idea of how you can do it. Like I posted earlier reduce the markets place in the game. Right now everything and anything is sold on the market. What if we increased the competition? What if we increased the capacity of the Merit vendors?
Merits cannot be traded. Incarante awards cannot be traded. First, expand the options listed at Reward Merit, A-Merit, Astral Merit and Emp Merit vendors to all recipes and all salvage. Maybe you can add conversions of one type of merit to another. The devs can scale how much each item will sell for. Next, bind all recipe drops to the account. What the??? You serious?? hear me out. Base this on the Incarnate system where you can upgrade, downgrade, sidegrade or convert when necessary. In addition you can do the same for enhancements and salvage. The devs can apply the same type of conversion factors where you get diminishing returns but at least you can get exactly what you want. Refer to incarnate conversions for this idea. Next, increase content that allows you to earn these types of merits. Looks like they're doing that with the new Dark Astoria so that's a definite step in the right direction but really why not open that reward system up to the entire game? Thisll reduce grinding a specific area. In a smaller scale this model is already in place with the incarnate system. It works and everyone is happy. Take the principles of this model and apply it to the rest of the game. Sounds like theyre kinda doing this already if you think about it didnt I hear something about recipe converters coming in issue 22? In the last couple of months havent we already added Astral and Emp Merit vendors that allow you to buy VR stuff and costume pieces? Yep, just keep going on this path and youll have access to everything and wont need to buy 2billion influence with real money to obtain it. Or is this just crazy talk? :P |
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Untrue. I've been locked out of Facebook before because they claimed I had 2 instances of unauthorized access from the UK. I've -never, ever, ever- logged in to Facebook from anywhere but here at home, and very infrequently even when I do log in, and I've sure never been to the UK.|
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Shenanigans.
I've logged in to Facebook from various states without a problem. I've not seen Facebook use any location tracking system that locks me out of my account. Shenanigans. |
My daughter and husband have also been locked out of FB for the same reasons. They, on the other hand, do log in from other locations than home frequently, such as work, school, cell phone, etc.
Even NCSoft's main site has a similar security protocol. My daughter had to reconfirm her account ownership after logging into the main NCSoft site from her father's house in the States while she was down there for summer vacation.
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Originally Posted by Celestial Might
I see this statement mentioned often: youll never get rid of it. IMO focusing on the route cause and not the symptom gets you closer to ridding the game of these companies that sell influence. I have a lose idea of how you can do it. Like I posted earlier reduce the markets place in the game. Right now everything and anything is sold on the market. What if we increased the competition? What if we increased the capacity of the Merit vendors?
Merits cannot be traded. Incarante awards cannot be traded. First, expand the options listed at Reward Merit, A-Merit, Astral Merit and Emp Merit vendors to all recipes and all salvage. Maybe you can add conversions of one type of merit to another. The devs can scale how much each item will sell for. Next, bind all recipe drops to the account. What the??? You serious?? hear me out. Base this on the Incarnate system where you can upgrade, downgrade, sidegrade or convert when necessary. In addition you can do the same for enhancements and salvage. The devs can apply the same type of conversion factors where you get diminishing returns but at least you can get exactly what you want. Refer to incarnate conversions for this idea. Next, increase content that allows you to earn these types of merits. Looks like they're doing that with the new Dark Astoria so that's a definite step in the right direction but really why not open that reward system up to the entire game? Thisll reduce grinding a specific area. In a smaller scale this model is already in place with the incarnate system. It works and everyone is happy. Take the principles of this model and apply it to the rest of the game. Sounds like theyre kinda doing this already if you think about it didnt I hear something about recipe converters coming in issue 22? In the last couple of months havent we already added Astral and Emp Merit vendors that allow you to buy VR stuff and costume pieces? Yep, just keep going on this path and youll have access to everything and wont need to buy 2billion influence with real money to obtain it. Or is this just crazy talk? :P |
If they had done this from the get go things would be different. However they didn't and now they have to give serious thought to how the player base would negatively react to such drastic changes. I garuntee you that there would be a ot of people quitting the game because they perceived the changes as "ripping them off" because they think all the influence they've spent on IO's actually has some intrinsic value.
Heck people even do that with Prestige that's been earned for an SG. They assume it belongs to them and they get quite irate about losing it even tho it belongs to the SG and not them.
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Originally Posted by Twigman
B in this case ... so would ebay, craig's list, etc. Sale or trade of a product automatically makes the maker of the product copable ... every company that allows online sale should be worried. |
Ebay and Craigslist are not the owners of the products being sold on their sites. They are nothing more than glorified classified ads. They have no IP or trademark rights involving the products sold on their sites. And they have measures in place to prevent people from being scammed on their sites.
It is entirely different for City of Heroes, because the product being sold by a third party is actually something owned by them. If they said it was okay for a third party to make a profit selling something they own and fraud results from that, they are responsible for it.
The point is hammered home even more when you think about the fact that the product being sold by these third parties is something that can be used within their IP and ONLY within their IP. You can't buy influence and take it to a different game, and you can't have it shipped to you so you can stockpile it in your hall closet. It only exists as a number within an online game.
Now, you've already outed yourself as someone who buys from RMT sellers. No one who doesn't would be this strongly in favor of it being allowed.
I'm pretty much done with this argument. It's pointless because you keep arguing against perfectly valid reasons why NCSoft and Paragon Studios will never embrace RMT sellers.
It has nothing to do with "fear", and everything to do with the fact that NCSoft and Paragon Studios have absolutely nothing to gain from doing it, and the potential to lose quite a bit. It makes no sense for them to do it.
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So the first thing a player will see is a constantly scrolling list of people trying to get them to buy inf, burying all their tells, global channels, team chat etc.|
Originally Posted by Twigman
oh, The AD chat would be set as an auto on all new toons. So, new players are guarunteed to see it and then those who are interested in "deals" can keep an eye on the AD chat continuously.
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Even people who wanted to buy inf still wouldn't want to see that. So at that point, players will either 1) leave the game, or 2) take the AD channel off their chat panel. This means that RMT traders would, exactly as now, go to broadcast, local and help to peddle their wares, and get banned exactly as they do now.
So all your suggestion would actually do is create a metric ton of ill-will for Paragon and work for the NCSoft CS as people lose their accounts and have their card details stolen and sold, because NCSoft have absolutely no way at all of telling in advance which seller is going to do that (other than 'a lot of them'). Only now, instead of NCSoft saying 'RMT is not allowed, and we will ban you for doing it', they're pushing their customers towards the rip-off merchants, so they will be blamed.
This is just a really bad idea, from top to bottom. There have been some truly terrible ideas posted in the Suggestions forum over the years I've been playing, but this is definitely one of the most unworkable and illogical. Dual Wield Bows would make more sense.
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Agreed Forbin, and the devs have probably discussed the sensitivity of such a change. Fair enough don't take anything away from the current system, but instead add other means of obtaining the VR stuff (only thing that seems to drive prices and need for buying influence). By having more options and means of obtaining those shinies you reduce the demand and value of influence. Going forward you won't need 8 billion because you have other means (merits, threads ...what have you..) of getting those otherwise unattainable items.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
If they had done this from the get go things would be different. However they didn't and now they have to give serious thought to how the player base would negatively react to such drastic changes. I garuntee you that there would be a ot of people quitting the game because they perceived the changes as "ripping them off" because they think all the influence they've spent on IO's actually has some intrinsic value.
Heck people even do that with Prestige that's been earned for an SG. They assume it belongs to them and they get quite irate about losing it even tho it belongs to the SG and not them. |
i think the last hurdle has been crossed and that is the solo incarnate content. with this addition anyone regardless of playstyle (team friendly person or solo person) can earn valuable - account bound - points that they can use to spend on VR items. This will make it harder for people to ask for real money for influence. I think..
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The use of something is NOT required for the promotion of an idea. Example: I don't use drugs, but I think they should make it legal so I'm not the one that has to pay for the poor choises of others.|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
You still don't get my point.
Ebay and Craigslist are not the owners of the products being sold on their sites. They are nothing more than glorified classified ads. They have no IP or trademark rights involving the products sold on their sites. And they have measures in place to prevent people from being scammed on their sites. It is entirely different for City of Heroes, because the product being sold by a third party is actually something owned by them. If they said it was okay for a third party to make a profit selling something they own and fraud results from that, they are responsible for it. The point is hammered home even more when you think about the fact that the product being sold by these third parties is something that can be used within their IP and ONLY within their IP. You can't buy influence and take it to a different game, and you can't have it shipped to you so you can stockpile it in your hall closet. It only exists as a number within an online game. Now, you've already outed yourself as someone who buys from RMT sellers. No one who doesn't would be this strongly in favor of it being allowed. I'm pretty much done with this argument. It's pointless because you keep arguing against perfectly valid reasons why NCSoft and Paragon Studios will never embrace RMT sellers. It has nothing to do with "fear", and everything to do with the fact that NCSoft and Paragon Studios have absolutely nothing to gain from doing it, and the potential to lose quite a bit. It makes no sense for them to do it. |
I do understand CoH along with other MMO's wouldn't gain any measurable profit from the implemetation of the idea, doesn't mean it's a bad idea. As it stands, they don't have any control over the buy, sale, and scams surrounding the "gold" traders.
I do however have a new concept ... Why doesn't CoH take the business. If CoH filled this business request, They wouldn't have to change the policy and those that would use the service, would just buy from CoH. They sell respecs and that's something you can get in game. I would even be happy if they made ALL the IOs but PVP and purples available in the paragon store. Can you argue with this idea?
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This is IYAO a bad idea. I do not agree. The AD channel would reach who it's intended for ... and that would be those that are looking for that service. Before they had TV, Radio and the like. People had to get IN YOUR FACE to tell you about their product. Now, they just sit back and let those that are interested come to them. "gold" traders don't currently have that luxury. Like traveling salesman, they have to get in your face. Free AD space would help get rid of them.|
Originally Posted by Grouchybeast
So the first thing a player will see is a constantly scrolling list of people trying to get them to buy inf, burying all their tells, global channels, team chat etc.
Even people who wanted to buy inf still wouldn't want to see that. So at that point, players will either 1) leave the game, or 2) take the AD channel off their chat panel. This means that RMT traders would, exactly as now, go to broadcast, local and help to peddle their wares, and get banned exactly as they do now. So all your suggestion would actually do is create a metric ton of ill-will for Paragon and work for the NCSoft CS as people lose their accounts and have their card details stolen and sold, because NCSoft have absolutely no way at all of telling in advance which seller is going to do that (other than 'a lot of them'). Only now, instead of NCSoft saying 'RMT is not allowed, and we will ban you for doing it', they're pushing their customers towards the rip-off merchants, so they will be blamed. This is just a really bad idea, from top to bottom. There have been some truly terrible ideas posted in the Suggestions forum over the years I've been playing, but this is definitely one of the most unworkable and illogical. Dual Wield Bows would make more sense. |
All that to say this ... I have a new idea anyway. CoH, Take the "gold" traders business away from them. Sell infuence/infamy on the Paragon Market for about the same price as the "gold" traders, OR Put ALL IO except purples on the Paragon market.
For all those who say it would ruin the market(WW/BM). You're probably the one's that have driven up the prices in the first place, by "playing" the market.
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This is IYAO a bad idea. I do not agree.
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I have a new idea anyway. CoH, Take the "gold" traders business away from them. Sell infuence/infamy on the Paragon Market for about the same price as the "gold" traders, For all those who say it would ruin the market(WW/BM). You're probably the one's that have driven up the prices in the first place, by "playing" the market. |
And you are deluding yourself if you think the people that tell you this would ruin the market are all marketeers.
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The only problem is doing so would make the current trade-able IO's even more valuable and their prices would skyrocket to the realms of the ultra rares currently selling for billions.
That would result in mass cancellations as pissed off players left the game because they can't afford the AH prices in game nor the real money prices it would cost to buy IO's from the Paragon Market.
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Lets just agree to dis-agree. Now. on to the new purposal.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
You can disagree all you like but he's still right. RMTer's aren't going to play by the rules and limit themselves to one channel, and most players will delete an AD channel from their chat tabs.
That idea is as bad as allowing RMTers to operate in the game. It turns the game into "pay to win" where only the players with the most money can afford to buy and sell stuff on the market. ---snip--- |
Let's also ignore the buy INF from Paragon market and jump strait to the sale Of IOs in the Paragon market.
Did the resent sale of LOTGs skyrocket the in game price of those? I only bought one proc. But many people said they were going to buy several sets.
WHat would be interesting if they made a channel JUST for level 1&2 people (F2p and VIP) and once they hit level 3 they get access to local (VIP get all of them anyways) since most RTM spammers don't go past level 2... And seriously? How hard is it to get to level 3?? Just a thought though...
I'm sure they(RTM ppl) would by pass it by actually playing the damn game for once just to get to lvl 3 to spamm their site..
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I already said that when I advised you that you can disagree with us all you like. |
Originally Posted by Twigman
Lets just agree to dis-agree.
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What's your global again? Just in case this gets implemented.
AWE ... not nice ... and not what I expected from you justice. LOL. Though, bringing an important problem to light ... which I did mean to write an answer for ... it would require a certain number of /ingnorespammers. Secoundly, it would last a week. So, if a real player got spam sushed. He might want to use that time to think about how he treats other players ... FTW