What is Dominatrix's Job?


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Basically, I would really hate to have good story angles abandoned completely because "old stuff is old." Yes, Dark Astoria has the potential to return to some of the game's oldest factions and stories... If our writers want to go that route. Because it also has the potential to completely bastardise and reinvent who Lughebu is and what the Banished Pantheon stand for by ret-conning everything with the Well of the Furries.
I feel the same way, and I'm hoping that the Well has little to nothing to do with the DA revamp (and I'm disappointed that Diabolique is involved at all). I really enjoyed the game's release content, story-wise, and I think the fact that someone else wrote the general storyline and lore shouldn't impede anyone's creativity. I wasn't excusing the idea that writers might want to ignore such an important source of lore, just explaining why I think they might do so.

Also, I have no idea how much of Rick's work has or hasn't been used, I just felt that I should point out the possibility that they've used so much of the story bible that the only thing left is to write more.


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What's the point of having a story bible if you keep writing into it and never actually read from it, though?
It's to list all the backstory for different groups and people - that doesn't mean that it can't be tweaked or rewritten as the game evolves.
It's also useful for them to cross-reference it with paragonwiki so that they can see exactly what they've told the players about each group and individual.
A good example of this is Praetoria - while the basic elements of the Praetorian lore were pretty much unchanged in GR, the details are almost certainly totally new - like I'm pretty certain that the original Praetorian info in the lore bible didn't mention anything about the Hamidon.
But because we'd been given so few details about Praetorian Earth, the devs had a lot of scope to add new ideas without changing the basic set-up.


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I've also heard that the story bible itself has some contradictions and inconsistencies in it...
This is hardly surprising since inconsistencies and contradictions are pretty much intrinsic to anything called a "bible".


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Uh....Dommie is the Praet Ms Liberty. She has the same lineage. Libby is States Granddaughter. It's also mentioned in her new bio.
I should point out that while it is in fact mentioned in-game in her bio which makes it canonical (at the moment), the mere fact that Dominatrix is the obvious Praetorian doppleganger for Ms Liberty does *not* automatically mean they have the same corresponding background. Praetoria isn't specifically intended to be a purely "mirror" universe of Primal Earth, and it can contain variations. So just because Ms Liberty is Statesman's granddaughter doesn't *automatically* mean Dominatrix is Tyrant's granddaughter.


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All I know is that when/if we fight Dominatrix in an I Trial, she better have whip attacks.


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I think what was actually retconned in GR was the "serves Tyrant in all capacities" part.

As I recall it, when the Praetorians were added in Issue 1, Ms. Liberty was not Statesman's granddaughter. A retcon made her his granddaughter when his backstory was fleshed out for CoV, Maria Jenkins was changed from Maiden Justice to Madame Danger, and Statesman was connected to Lord Recluse by making Maiden Justice Recluse's sister and Statesman's wife, and Miss Liberty their daughter.

Edit: Heh, I found an archived copy of the thread where that came to light. I was apparently the first person to notice the Tyrant/Dominatrix problem (on the forums, anyway). Check the bottom of the page, right after Manticore explains that Ms. Liberty is now Statesman's granddaughter.
I am both grateful for this extra backstory and relieved to have it confirmed it was retconned.

When I read Dominatrix's bio the first time years ago, I pasted that last bit in chat to my partner and there was this long pause, and we both went "EW!"


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Ah, the minds of gamers. Supplying their own implications since forever. Text writers take heed...


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Whatever her job is, I bet it's hard!



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Dual-build poster child.

By day, she's the dutiful grand-daughter of Cole, her face is on IDF recruiting posters, and she does TV spots when she isn't making sure she is being Seen by the right people around the Magesterium.

By night, she's the willful and rebellious child, participating in the underground (as opposed to Underground) club scenes, currying favor with those whose societal programming is not quite broken enough to warrant a trip to the BAF or joining the Resistance, and picking up intelligence from those who are deluded enough to think she's sympathetic to their complaints and isn't as square as those geezers who run things.

I do wonder whatever happened to her private army of masochists armed with Thanagarian power-maces.


 

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Dominatrix should get in a fight with Silver Mantis. They'd both love it.


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But when it comes to developers pedalling their own characters, that strikes a foul note with me, and if I ever disliked the Statesman as a character, it was very likely because he came off like Jack Emmert's Mary Sue author insert. Not a good thing for your game's poster child.
Well, to be fair, he fills the Superman role for the City universe, and is therefore intensely inconvenient to everyone who prefers stories about characters who are not Superman. In this role he is working as intended. You can't have Superman hanging around and not have it come up fairly often in the story. Which might be partly why they're offing him.


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Honestly, this kind of bothers me. I know I espouse the virtues of writing "our own characters" as being a major selling point of the game, but I kind of thing this should be restricted to players doing it, not the game's official writers and developers. While I don't really mind other players making characters that, if they were placed in a common situation, would infringe on mine. After all, we're the stars of our own personal stories. But when it comes to developers pedalling their own characters, that strikes a foul note with me, and if I ever disliked the Statesman as a character, it was very likely because he came off like Jack Emmert's Mary Sue author insert. Not a good thing for your game's poster child.
Came off as Jack Emmert's Mary Sue vs what? Every players mary sue?


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Came off as Jack Emmert's Mary Sue vs what? Every players mary sue?
It's different though because Jack's (and subsequently any Devs) Mary Sue doesn't play by the same rules that ours do. Which in itself is part of the whole Mary Sue thing.


 

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Came off as Jack Emmert's Mary Sue vs what? Every players mary sue?
Every player's Mary Sue isn't written in canon. Every player's Mary Sue isn't on the box cover, the banner, the splash page and every loading screen. Every player's Mary Sue isn't held up to other players as some prestigeous but unreachable goal and a hint of what players could never be.

Players are free to make their Mary Sues any way they want, because no other players have to depend on those, because the game generally doesn't account for those and because players don't have the responsibility of making a respectable game for other players. We're here to have fun, and if our fun interferes with someone else's fun, we simply don't interact. The game's writing, fiction and canon don't have that luxury. They're responsible for setting up this persistent MMO world for us to play in.

In short, player characters matter to the player who made them. Developer-made characters matter to everybody, because they're in content everybody is put through.

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On a side note, players DO have the same responsibilities as developers when they create Architect arcs. I don't mind people playing their Mary Sues in their own personal storyline against their own instance of the game's fictional universe, but when I sit down to play through their fan fiction, their bad storytelling becomes my problem, too. There's a general mistake some Architect authors make in asserting that they're writing a story about their own player characters for whoever runs their Architect arc to sort of tag along with. Wrong. Like the official writing staff, they are writing stories about the characters we, as players of these arcs, bring for the ride.

Obviously, that's not a hard-and-fast rule and I'm sure there's room for people essentially showcasing their own characters over the Architect in a manner not dissimilar from an overly-elaborate "Rate My Champion," but I got into this game for the characters I make. They're what matters the most to me.


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I am both grateful for this extra backstory and relieved to have it confirmed it was retconned.

When I read Dominatrix's bio the first time years ago, I pasted that last bit in chat to my partner and there was this long pause, and we both went "EW!"
I always thought the incestous angle was a good bit of villainous characterization for Tyrant and Dominatrix, an extreme difference to show how corrupt the Praetorian versions are compared to Primal Earth.

But that was before GR and Praetoria got fleshed out into a more mirror universe, not just an inverted one.

'Course, in my mind, Dominatrix is still screwed-up enough in the head that she'd still serve the Emperor "in all capacities".


 

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I do wonder whatever happened to her private army of masochists armed with Thanagarian power-maces.
They seem to be alive and well and doing just fine on Praetorian Earth. Or rather, a Praetorian Earth. In fact, I ran into them, along with Dominatrix herself, in one of the PI (via Portal Corp) story arc missions just the other night. I guess I'm not sure I understand the source of curious wonder here.

Unless you are asking why the Praetorian dimension Portal Corp connects to has a version of Dominatrix that is different from the one that Prometheus' trial teleporter connects to. In which case I think everyone is expected to assume that they are two different Praetorian Earths, each a separate threat on its own, dealt with through different contacts.

Or is there an official in-game explanation that I'm not aware of which makes more sense than that one?


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In which case I think everyone is expected to assume that they are two different Praetorian Earths, each a separate threat on its own, dealt with through different contacts.
They're the same place


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