Now I can't ask WHICH iTrial before I commit?
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Posted on: 2011-12-28 16:15 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I'm just guessing here, but it sounds like he thought he wouldn't get anyone if he advertised UGT, so he tried to shanghai folks.
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At least that would make sense...the thing is, I wanted to unlock Lore so needed to know which he was doing. Shouldn't be hard. LOL
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I'd 2-star someone like that. Can't tell me what trial he wants to form or even thinks he wants to form, and then says something like that at the end?
Yeah... no.
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Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
I'd 2-star someone like that. Can't tell me what trial he wants to form or even thinks he wants to form, and then says something like that at the end?
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I dunno ... I've been on several leagues that formed up before the trial we were going to do was decided upon; it's never really been an issue. Maybe it's just my server.
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I have no issue with that. If he has just said, "Well, we will decide when all join" that is a much different response than what I got, imo.
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Originally Posted by Goliath Bird Eater
I dunno ... I've been on several leagues that formed up before the trial we were going to do was decided upon; it's never really been an issue. Maybe it's just my server.
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I think it's a server thing. Trials on Virtue are almost always launched from RWZ and it's almost always "____ forming, pst for invite".
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I play on Virtue (as well as others), but this one was on Justice. Maybe it is normal there, I only have 2 50s on Justice.
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Yes, I would expect something along the lines of "I want to try for UGT, but if we don't get 24 in the next 10 minutes we'll just go with a Lambda or BAF with whoever we've got so far."|
Originally Posted by shaggy5
I have no issue with that. If he has just said, "Well, we will decide when all join" that is a much different response than what I got, imo.
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And, yes, it's totally reasonable to want to know what trial you're going to spend the next 10 minutes standing around waiting for...
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No, that is not particularly normal for Justice.|
Originally Posted by shaggy5
I play on Virtue (as well as others), but this one was on Justice. Maybe it is normal there, I only have 2 50s on Justice.
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Your question was reasonable. I endorse the suggestion of 2-star for the individual.
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Originally Posted by shaggy5
OK good, thanks for helping me believe I am not crazy.
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Just because that guy was a jerk doesn't mean that you're sane.
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Global Name: Denver Nugget
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My guess is that he was trying to do something different.
Given that most trials are at best boring and at worst a dogpile and that forming a league is a horrible waste of time and effort he was trying to keep you onside as long as possible.
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Originally Posted by shaggy5
I was just in Pocket D and some guy announced, "iTrial forming". I sent a tell asking which one.
His response, "One we haven't done" My response, "LOL Well which have you done" His response, "I have lead all but UGT" My response, "Not trying to be a pest, but does that mean you are going to do UGT?" We sent a few more tells and I say, " I understand. Ty for your patience with me" His response, "That's fine, but next time leave it to me to form" Wait, what? Is it so wrong to want to know which iTrial? I didn't even respond because I thought I was being gracious with my last comment even though I was already a little frustrated, then to have him end it with that...am I wrong here and not seeing something? |
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Originally Posted by shaggy5
I play on Virtue (as well as others), but this one was on Justice. Maybe it is normal there, I only have 2 50s on Justice.
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That's fine. Leave it to me to decline to join your league due to the leader apparently being either indecisive, deceptive or just incompetent.|
Originally Posted by shaggy5
His response, "That's fine, but next time leave it to me to form"
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If someone doesn't announce what trial they will be doing, I ALWAYS ask. If I get a BS response, I don't join.
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I've seen that happen there and on Freedom. Some leaders like to just snag up interested members 'willing to do iTrials' and then decide 'what' exactly they're doing.|
Originally Posted by shaggy5
I play on Virtue (as well as others), but this one was on Justice. Maybe it is normal there, I only have 2 50s on Justice.
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If I'm in the mood for a 'mystery' iTrial, I'll often join up on leagues like that.
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The best I ever encountered was a couple of months back. A guy began advertising for a BAF Trial in the RWZ. He managed to get a full league going. Then queued for a Keyes Trial. Keep in mind this was before the Keyes Trial was hit with the nerf bat. I LOLed so hard. I never saw a whole league disband so quickly.
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Originally Posted by shaggy5
I was just in Pocket D and some guy announced, "iTrial forming". I sent a tell asking which one.
His response, "One we haven't done" My response, "LOL Well which have you done" His response, "I have lead all but UGT" My response, "Not trying to be a pest, but does that mean you are going to do UGT?" We sent a few more tells and I say, " I understand. Ty for your patience with me" His response, "That's fine, but next time leave it to me to form" Wait, what? Is it so wrong to want to know which iTrial? I didn't even respond because I thought I was being gracious with my last comment even though I was already a little frustrated, then to have him end it with that...am I wrong here and not seeing something? |
me: "Well ok then, thanks for invite and good luck." *quit* *assign two stars*
This says to me he's about to try something unpopular. Don't blame you for passing.
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Yeah, not really. I've run (and formed) Trials on Justice, and we're usually calling for a specific one. Sometimes it's "League choice, join up and cast your vote", but usually it's specific.
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Originally Posted by Chyll
No, that is not particularly normal for Justice.
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Originally Posted by shaggy5
I was just in Pocket D and some guy announced, "iTrial forming". I sent a tell asking which one.
His response, "One we haven't done" My response, "LOL Well which have you done" His response, "I have lead all but UGT" My response, "Not trying to be a pest, but does that mean you are going to do UGT?" We sent a few more tells and I say, " I understand. Ty for your patience with me" His response, "That's fine, but next time leave it to me to form" Wait, what? Is it so wrong to want to know which iTrial? I didn't even respond because I thought I was being gracious with my last comment even though I was already a little frustrated, then to have him end it with that...am I wrong here and not seeing something? |
You're trying to get lore unlocked. This means that the odds are that at best you are +1 from alpha. Unlikely, but possible, you may have already unlocked Destiny and made it tier 3 for another level shift.
If I as leader am 50+3, the SSK for teams does not apply to level shifts. You're still level 50+1. At 50 +3, I have a hard enough time with a level 54 +2 AV. But, you see, the leader in question doesn't know you, or if you're level shifted. He could invite you, only to find out that you've never done a certain trial, and he'd have to explain all the little details - which not every leader knows very well. Half of the "leaders" just assume that everyone knows what the deal is, and don't really lead at all, they just recruit.
Many times on liberty, I used to get angry because the leaders wouldn't know what trial they were running. My blasters would do BAF, and my tanks and scrappers would do Lambda.
Eventually, I started to lead the trials a bit, and realized that some teams are ill-suited to certain tasks. Or, I lacked the strategy to make a certain team composition work for a specific trial -so I would want to reserve naming the specific trial the league would do.
If we only have 9 players, well, it's either Lambda or MoM. If we have over 16 players, well, it's going to have to be BAF, Keyes, UGT or TPN. If I have a host of +2s and +3's with about 5 clarions, I would opt for UGT. If not, maybe Keyes or MoM.
TPN, I'm still learning that one, so I'd just let someone else take over for that run.
But, that's just me.
Just join in for whatever they're doing, if they'll let you. You can always quit before they're queued if you don't like what's on the menu.
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I would agree with you if my point was that he said, "We are not sure, stick around and a decision will be made", but that is not what happened. If they flat out don't know and are going to decide as the team is gathered, I am ok with that. I just don't like how it played out. I also don't like your suggestion of hanging out until they decide and then quit before the queue...seems counterproductive for both of us.
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Originally Posted by Ukaserex
Neither of you are wrong - well the leader in question should have explained some things to you.
You're trying to get lore unlocked. This means that the odds are that at best you are +1 from alpha. Unlikely, but possible, you may have already unlocked Destiny and made it tier 3 for another level shift. If I as leader am 50+3, the SSK for teams does not apply to level shifts. You're still level 50+1. At 50 +3, I have a hard enough time with a level 54 +2 AV. But, you see, the leader in question doesn't know you, or if you're level shifted. He could invite you, only to find out that you've never done a certain trial, and he'd have to explain all the little details - which not every leader knows very well. Half of the "leaders" just assume that everyone knows what the deal is, and don't really lead at all, they just recruit. Many times on liberty, I used to get angry because the leaders wouldn't know what trial they were running. My blasters would do BAF, and my tanks and scrappers would do Lambda. Eventually, I started to lead the trials a bit, and realized that some teams are ill-suited to certain tasks. Or, I lacked the strategy to make a certain team composition work for a specific trial -so I would want to reserve naming the specific trial the league would do. If we only have 9 players, well, it's either Lambda or MoM. If we have over 16 players, well, it's going to have to be BAF, Keyes, UGT or TPN. If I have a host of +2s and +3's with about 5 clarions, I would opt for UGT. If not, maybe Keyes or MoM. TPN, I'm still learning that one, so I'd just let someone else take over for that run. But, that's just me. Just join in for whatever they're doing, if they'll let you. You can always quit before they're queued if you don't like what's on the menu. |
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I know that sometimes the trial being run will be subject to change, but that's usually depending on the level of interest (ie, "Going to run Lambda, might switch to BAF if we get enough attention.
I would also point out that wanting to know what trial is run is not simply a matter of wanting to avoid 'hard' trials. If the character I'm considering joining on is already t4'ed on everything I'm only going to be interested in the newer trials or run for badges that I don't have.
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I was just in Pocket D and some guy announced, "iTrial forming". I sent a tell asking which one.
His response, "One we haven't done"
My response, "LOL Well which have you done"
His response, "I have lead all but UGT"
My response, "Not trying to be a pest, but does that mean you are going to do UGT?"
We sent a few more tells and I say, " I understand. Ty for your patience with me"
His response, "That's fine, but next time leave it to me to form"
Wait, what? Is it so wrong to want to know which iTrial? I didn't even respond because I thought I was being gracious with my last comment even though I was already a little frustrated, then to have him end it with that...am I wrong here and not seeing something?
Global Name: Denver Nugget
Playing since i3 on 8 servers