Is the "Coming Storm" the Shadow Shard?
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Posted on: 2011-12-23 21:54 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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If memory serves, the coming storm was to be a multi issue story arc to follow through issues 12, 13 and 14(as per dev post back in the days when we got the issue 11 feature list). then the ncsoft buyout happened and they had the cash to expand the game in ways that they had wanted to since cov was announced , so its less that the coming storm was strung along and more that they had the financial resources to expand the game more than they could when it was 15 people banging it out.
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Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
Until the Coming Storm actually DOES arrive in game, it's nothing but a carrot on a stick; so get walking, Mr Donkey... Gotta follow that carrot.
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That was nothing but a mechanic to add a new tutorial and intro for F2P.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Morbid
Well, there were some rather large hailstones that fell on Galaxy City recently.
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Fix't.
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You're just grumpy because you plan to destroy House Atreides didn't quite work out the way you hoped.
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Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
That was nothing but a mechanic to add a new tutorial and intro for F2P.
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@Inquisitor
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Well, ir's a bit more than just that |
Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
That was nothing but a mechanic to add a new tutorial and intro for F2P.
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And the Praetorians were nothing but a mechanic to add TFs, SFs, and Incarnate trials; and set the stage for side switching and F2P.|
Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
That was nothing but a mechanic to add a new tutorial and intro for F2P.
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i'll bet we could do this with every bit of lore added since launch if we really tried.
Dr. Todt's theme.
i make stuff...
CoH was nothing but a mechanic to generate income for Cryptic and NCSoft.
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+1 sandworm.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Morbid
You're just grumpy because you plan to destroy House Atreides didn't quite work out the way you hoped.
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I'll get those buggers one day! One day!
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Originally Posted by Mr_Morbid
You're just grumpy because you plan to destroy House Atreides didn't quite work out the way you hoped.
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@FloatingFatMan
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The point is, the "Coming Storm" has never really been a firm plan as far as the lore goes. It's never been anything but some vague piece of future content they wave at us from time to time, dropping hints here and there which, a year or two down the line, they'll completely contradict when they drop some more.|
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
And the Praetorians were nothing but a mechanic to add TFs, SFs, and Incarnate trials; and set the stage for side switching and F2P.
i'll bet we could do this with every bit of lore added since launch if we really tried. |
I don't believe we'll EVER see them before the end of the game.
@FloatingFatMan
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Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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I suspect that one of the decisions leading to blowing Galaxy City into rubble was to get around either a) having new players *****, moan, and whine about how crappy Galaxy City looked compared to Atlas Park if they picked it for their starting zone, or b) having to expend the same amount of work they put into the Atlas Park revamp to rework Galaxy City before the issue released.
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Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
That was nothing but a mechanic to add a new tutorial and intro for F2P.
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"But in our enthusiasm, we could not resist a radical overhaul of the system, in which all of its major weaknesses have been exposed, analyzed, and replaced with new weaknesses."
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Six months ago I wouldn't have been able to disagree with you. But now things are shaping up rather more concretely than they have before. The Coming Storm storyline appears to be actually moving forward. I still can't say for sure we'll ever see it, but I think it's much more likely now than it once was.
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Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
I don't believe we'll EVER see them before the end of the game.
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Whatever it is, the Storm will be knock-kneed from coming for so long
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Gosh you're gonna feel really silly this time next year. Or possibly not, perhaps you lack that level of self-awareness. I'm not saying you do, I don't wish to judge.
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Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
Until the Coming Storm actually DOES arrive in game, it's nothing but a carrot on a stick; so get walking, Mr Donkey... Gotta follow that carrot.
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Coming Storm is definitely Rularuu. Shivans are harbingers of Rularuu (established harbingers of an unnamed world-devouring entity, first discovered near Ayers Rock, otherwise known as Uluru - this can't be a coincidence), beings of godlike power are what is needed to fight the Storm and Rularuu is himself a god, Menders have the whole Nemesis connection and Nemesis has a strong presence in the Shadow Shard, the Dream Doctor wrote "Something is coming and I must find out what it is before it's too late" concerning his disappearance to what I believe is the Shadow Shard (called the "Dreamspace," but given the involvement of Ayers Rock I think the similarity of the word to "Dreamtime" might indicate a Shadow Shard connection there) and also calls Rularuu his own counterpart, and perhaps most tellingly there is the presence in the Shadow Shard of things called Storm Elementals and the Storm Palace. Oh, and the Rulu-Shin in the second WWD arc.
Yeah, seems pretty clear to me.
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Originally Posted by FlashToo
Coming Storm is definitely Rularuu. Shivans are harbingers of Rularuu (established harbingers of an unnamed world-devouring entity, first discovered near Ayers Rock, otherwise known as Uluru - this can't be a coincidence), beings of godlike power are what is needed to fight the Storm and Rularuu is himself a god, Menders have the whole Nemesis connection and Nemesis has a strong presence in the Shadow Shard, the Dream Doctor wrote "Something is coming and I must find out what it is before it's too late" concerning his disappearance to what I believe is the Shadow Shard (called the "Dreamspace," but given the involvement of Ayers Rock I think the similarity of the word to "Dreamtime" might indicate a Shadow Shard connection there) and also calls Rularuu his own counterpart, and perhaps most tellingly there is the presence in the Shadow Shard of things called Storm Elementals and the Storm Palace. Oh, and the Rulu-Shin in the second WWD arc.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
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What is Ayers Rock? I can't find anything mentioning it on Paragonwiki, and google doesn't turn up any CoH-related results either.
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Ayers Rock
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
What is Ayers Rock? I can't find anything mentioning it on Paragonwiki, and google doesn't turn up any CoH-related results either.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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That's possible, but it doesn't really sync up with Rularuu beign imprisoned in the Shadow Shard in thr 60s, and Shiva destroying the Arcosians 800 years ago, and then almost reaching Earth in 1989.|
Originally Posted by FlashToo
Coming Storm is definitely Rularuu. Shivans are harbingers of Rularuu (established harbingers of an unnamed world-devouring entity, first discovered near Ayers Rock, otherwise known as Uluru - this can't be a coincidence), beings of godlike power are what is needed to fight the Storm and Rularuu is himself a god, Menders have the whole Nemesis connection and Nemesis has a strong presence in the Shadow Shard, the Dream Doctor wrote "Something is coming and I must find out what it is before it's too late" concerning his disappearance to what I believe is the Shadow Shard (called the "Dreamspace," but given the involvement of Ayers Rock I think the similarity of the word to "Dreamtime" might indicate a Shadow Shard connection there) and also calls Rularuu his own counterpart, and perhaps most tellingly there is the presence in the Shadow Shard of things called Storm Elementals and the Storm Palace. Oh, and the Rulu-Shin in the second WWD arc.
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If Rularuu was the same as Shiva, then he could have destroyed the home world of the Arcosians, as that was centuries before he was imprisoned - but him being trapped in the Shadow Shard over 2 decades before Operation Vishnu was launched to destroy Shiva in 1989 causes timeline problems.
Plus, there's a scale problem with their activities too - Shiva seems to be something from this universe that just devours worlds - Rularuu is a transdimensional being that devours entire dimensions - it doesn't seem likely that he'd take 800 years to cross a single universe from the planet of the Arcosians to Earth, when he should have been able to just devour the entire dimension that they're both in.
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Also IMO a strong possibly of a Nemesis Plot is coming at the same time see Mender Silo's speech when you meet him in the ouro introduction:
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The knowledge that you (remember Silos IS Nemesis) single handedly ruined your planet's fate would drive anyone to take steps not to repeat themselves.
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Character. I am glad to finally meet you, or re-meet you in this case. My name is Mender Silos, and I am over one million years old. I come from the future, near the end of time itself. I created Ouroboros so that we could have a centralized location to try and mend the past. I am sure Lazarus told you about the Carbon Law, and the tethers we from the future have. Of course, I am far beyond my tether, but this wouldn't be the first law I have broken. I have been planning this for a very, very long time. This threat... in the near future, I call it the 'coming storm.' Earth will be attacked by it, and will be unable to defend herself due to extenuating circumstances. I plan on changing that. The first step in eliminating this storm is to remove its scouts from a point in your near future. If you would be so kind as to go forward in time and help Mender Lazarus. Once they are defeated, Ouroboros will begin charting the causality wake to determine the outcome upon your time stream. |
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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I like the theory that posited that the Battalion invasion destabilizes the situation on Earth enough that it somehow allows Rularuu to escape.
Something that should be noted is that since Galaxy City's destruction Mender Silos has some changes in his dialogue in Pilgrim's arc. After sending you to fight Shivans in Atlas Park he admits to being puzzled as to why the Atlas (Green Goo) Shivans are so different from the Galaxy (Molten Rock) Shivans.
So either he has always had less knowledge of the future than he claims or things have already been altered by Ouro or some other agency to the point that his knowledge is becoming less accurate. Or he's really the same old Nemesis who's been screwing with us as part of his wheels within wheels plans (The letter writer says that's the case, though he/she can't really be considered reliable at this point either.)
PS The Battalion seem to be making their way through space taking what they can and moving on. That begs the question: What big nasty thing are THEY trying to stay ahead of?
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I haven't read this thread all the way through, so I apologize if I mention something that's already been brought up. That being said...
I'm very interested in the idea of 'The Coming Storm' actually being Rularuu.
(Brace yourself for a crazy and convoluted theory)
Rularuu is supposed to be a god-like being, right? Most of the time we think of this as closer to the Mythology gods of Greece... but what if he is more like the Christian God? It seems to me such a being would exist outside of our concept of time/space... and therefore isn't limited to just one dimension. We think Rularuu is trapped in the Shadow Shard... and we know he is split into multiple aspects of himself. But what if that's still only just part of the being as a whole? Like... I'm imagining a being with all these spheres around him... each one a 'dimension' and he has his 'hand' in ours. The Rularuu we know (and love?) is really just a friggen hand and it manifests itself as Rularuu the Ravager (and, incidentally, his other 'aspects'). When we think of him this way... what's stopping him from reaching into another dimension and messing up things over there? Or even worse... setting up events to help him get his hand free?
Okay, I know that's probably not going to be it... but I like thinking of stuff like this. lol.
*sidenote* Another possible connection between Rularuu and The Coming Storm: Shadow Shards and the Time Echoes you fight in Mender Ramiels arc look awful similar to each other.
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That's pretty much a certainty. They probably decided that they need a new tutorial AND only have enough resources to fully remake once zone. With Galaxy being the far less popular starting zone, it drew the short straw for being axed and now the same thing is going to happen to Dark Astoria.|
Originally Posted by srmalloy
I suspect that one of the decisions leading to blowing Galaxy City into rubble was to get around either a) having new players *****, moan, and whine about how crappy Galaxy City looked compared to Atlas Park if they picked it for their starting zone, or b) having to expend the same amount of work they put into the Atlas Park revamp to rework Galaxy City before the issue released.
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People have been asking for that to made use of for YEARS, and now they are, they're taking it away from everyone except the level 50's. IMO, that sucks and just serves to make the game that little bit smaller.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
The Coming Storm is really nothing more than a DJ more powerful than DJ Zero.
That's right. He has TWO songs!
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