New Dark Knight Rises Trailer
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Posted on: 2011-12-19 18:02 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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I thought Memento was quite good. I own both Batman movies, and the Prestige. I'd own Inception as well, but haven't bothered to purchase any films form myself lately (kids |
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
A film could enjoy such success and still not entertain me, so, not something I find relevant. What I do find relevant is that aesthetic choices were made in both of his Batman films that I didn't like. Now, both of those films ultimately managed to rise above the things that bothered me, but that's only two movies - Nolan hasn't established enough entertainment credit with me for me to loan him blind faith.
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). For me, he's 5 for 5. I'm not saying he's not able to foul up, because well he is human and all, but I'm betting that I'll end up thouroughly enjoying this film as well.
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I have no problem with his aesthetic choices in the last 2 movies. I thought the changes that i knew about were fine and paid respect to and represented the comics characters properly. That came through before I ever saw the movies. I was also one of the people that said that Heath would do a good job and that the whole omg we love heath turn around after he died ticked me off because it was and is so fake.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
A film could enjoy such success and still not entertain me, so, not something I find relevant. What I do find relevant is that aesthetic choices were made in both of his Batman films that I didn't like. Now, both of those films ultimately managed to rise above the things that bothered me, but that's only two movies - Nolan hasn't established enough entertainment credit with me for me to loan him blind faith.
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Before I knew who Nolan was or seen the movies, the trailers had me because it looked right and wasn't changed so much that if you removed the batman costume you could still recognize it as a Batman movie...
This on the other hand doesnt in any way look like a Batman movie, let alone a comic movie and the trailer just looks like a bad cheesy 90s sci-fi trailer. Id bet i could find a trailer from the 90s that looked almost exactly like that if i cared to look
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I hated the way the fight sequences were shot in the first movie, and initially was leery of the Tumbler though it eventually grew on me.|
Originally Posted by Durakken
I have no problem with his aesthetic choices in the last 2 movies. I thought the changes that i knew about were fine and paid respect to and represented the comics characters properly. That came through before I ever saw the movies. I was also one of the people that said that Heath would do a good job and that the whole omg we love heath turn around after he died ticked me off because it was and is so fake.
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I hated the way the Joker looked prior to the second movie, and still don't like it. Prior to the movie I had no real opinion on the choice of actor, being rather unfamiliar with him, and afterwards I've said that I thought he pulled it off well despite how badly the character looked - not really a turn-around from me.
Going into the third movie, I don't like how Bane looks (or sounds), nor what I've seen of Catwoman, nor that Bat-VTOL-thing. So I'll be going in with low expectations. Nolan has enough benefit of the doubt from me that I'll still endeavor to see this in the theatre, at least.
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Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
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My biggest gripe with Nolan's movies (amongst a myriad of other gripes) is that I never walk away satisfied with how he ends them. I always find myself asking the same burning question, "What the heck was all that about?" Memento and The Prestige being the two I've seen outside of the Batman films. The first movie just never seemed to go anywhere and was built around the gimmick of a guy who had to write everything down. Very cool concept but it just never built up a full head of steam. The second movie couldn't decide what it was. Two magicians trying to one up each other till it becomes personal, but wait it's actually 3 magicians because the third one is a poorly disguised twin, but wait because in the end the other magician is using actual magic or some sort of pseudo-science. It was like a fractal story that just kept branching off and there was no real linear direction. These and the Batman films are the reason why I refuse to see Inception.
All in all, Nolan tries to be innovative by blazing trails and exploring the unconventional. While the approach is to be applauded I find the execution to be premature and underdeveloped. From what I've seen of the preview, I'm pretty sure that I'll be skipping out on this one as well. In any event, I do hope it's enjoyable for everyone else and that because of its success more DC comic book movies get greenlit. Who knows. Maybe someone'll one day make a Batman movie I'd like to see.
P.S. While Inception was out in theaters, my neighbor had just gotten back from seeing it and recommended that I go check it out. I told him about my issue with Nolan's inability to properly conclude his movies and he said, "Yeah, you won't like this one either then." LOL.
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Of course if it does bad... Hollywood will kill a lot of Superhero projects...after all if Nolan can't deliver a Batman film then no other Superhero projects will.
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Originally Posted by Magus_Prime
In any event, I do hope it's enjoyable for everyone else and that because of its success more DC comic book movies get greenlit. Who knows. Maybe someone'll one day make a Batman movie I'd like to see.
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Not surprising. Since this Batman is placed in a much more physically plausible world than the previous incarnations (in all media forms) it pretty much guaranteed that he wouldn't be the guy who had his skin and hair changed by a chemical accident that also left him with a permanent grin. Heath came much closer to the Cesar Romero Joker than the comic book or cartoon Jokers. He was much less flamboyant too.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
I hated the way the Joker looked prior to the second movie, and still don't like it.
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And that same approach seems to be what Nolan is taking with Bane and Catwoman. Making them real people just wearing slightly odd clothing. I'm pretty sure Catwoman will have the acrobatic abilities of a cheerleader and Bane will have the strength of a bodybuilder but nothing more.
Honestly Ras and Scarecrow are much more suited to this world while keeping them as they are in the comics (except the immortality thing for Ras). Any of Batman's primary villains need to be down converted and I have no problem with that as long as he continues to do it well.
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To be fair to Nolan he actually toned down the sheer absurdity that was present in the original book.|
Originally Posted by Magus_Prime
The second movie couldn't decide what it was. Two magicians trying to one up each other till it becomes personal, but wait it's actually 3 magicians because the third one is a poorly disguised twin, but wait because in the end the other magician is using actual magic or some sort of pseudo-science.
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And you would probably be fine with Inception since 90% of it takes place in the dream world. And in dreams nothing has to make sense since anything is possible. Although I suppose the very final scene might annoy you.
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His hair could've been turned green by a chemical on-purpose. I've seen better green hair walking around malls. Since the mid-late 80s at least. This is not new and implausible tech. Nor is albinism implausible, for that matter. |
Originally Posted by Mandu
Not surprising. Since this Batman is placed in a much more physically plausible world than the previous incarnations (in all media forms) it pretty much guaranteed that he wouldn't be the guy who had his skin and hair changed by a chemical accident that also left him with a permanent grin. Heath came much closer to the Cesar Romero Joker than the comic book or cartoon Jokers. He was much less flamboyant too.
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The acting/characterization I had no problem with, as I said before.
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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Catwoman is a Catburgler who dresses like a Cat because she loved the idea of the Bat thing. She also loves cats and she became a thief because it was fun and a way to provide a good life for some people.|
Originally Posted by Mandu
Not surprising. Since this Batman is placed in a much more physically plausible world than the previous incarnations (in all media forms) it pretty much guaranteed that he wouldn't be the guy who had his skin and hair changed by a chemical accident that also left him with a permanent grin. Heath came much closer to the Cesar Romero Joker than the comic book or cartoon Jokers. He was much less flamboyant too.
And that same approach seems to be what Nolan is taking with Bane and Catwoman. Making them real people just wearing slightly odd clothing. I'm pretty sure Catwoman will have the acrobatic abilities of a cheerleader and Bane will have the strength of a bodybuilder but nothing more. |
Bane is an illegitimate son of a English gentlemen who took part in a war on a spanish island. The island has a child must pay for the crimes of the parent if the parent is dead law resulting in him living in jail for his whole... various events left him in solitary confinement and he just happened to have idetic memory and the two lead to him reading a lot. Eventually he volunteered for an experiment and that is were he was introduced to Bane. Bane is a drug that enhances the users strength, and muscle mass, as well as promotes anger.
There is nothing out of the normal about those two (we could literally make Bane if we wanted to in real life). Catwoman's costume is not out of line or unrealistic. The whole point of her costume isn't practicality, but motif. She doesn't need to be nor should she be wearing a practical outfit.
As far as Bane's costume goes... Are you really telling me you couldn't think of a reason for him to dress like a Luchador? He's got a spanish heritage, sees Batman, doesn't care about cultural norms... yup couldn't possibly realistically be done.
The only reason it was even remotely ok what he did to Ra's is because we can just pretend that that is a brainwashed Ducard or just none of his secrets revealed so he still could be. The only character that I can think of off the top of my head that is a high profile rogue that wouldn't work realistically is Freeze... The rest is Nolan and the writers being dumb and not understanding reality.
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Well, see, no, the drug was 'Venom', not Bane. Bane is the character, Venom is the drug. We first saw it when Batman became addicted to it while trying to overcome his physical limitations, well before Bane made an appearance. |
Originally Posted by Durakken
Bane is an illegitimate son of a English gentlemen who took part in a war on a spanish island. The island has a child must pay for the crimes of the parent if the parent is dead law resulting in him living in jail for his whole... various events left him in solitary confinement and he just happened to have idetic memory and the two lead to him reading a lot. Eventually he volunteered for an experiment and that is were he was introduced to Bane. Bane is a drug that enhances the users strength, and muscle mass, as well as promotes anger.
There is nothing out of the normal about those two (we could literally make Bane if we wanted to in real life). Catwoman's costume is not out of line or unrealistic. The whole point of her costume isn't practicality, but motif. She doesn't need to be nor should she be wearing a practical outfit. As far as Bane's costume goes... Are you really telling me you couldn't think of a reason for him to dress like a Luchador? He's got a spanish heritage, sees Batman, doesn't care about cultural norms... yup couldn't possibly realistically be done. The only reason it was even remotely ok what he did to Ra's is because we can just pretend that that is a brainwashed Ducard or just none of his secrets revealed so he still could be. The only character that I can think of off the top of my head that is a high profile rogue that wouldn't work realistically is Freeze... The rest is Nolan and the writers being dumb and not understanding reality. |
As to not wearing a luchadore mask, Bane is not necessarily Mexican, and the luchadore masks are a primarily Mexican wrestling element. Who even says that Bane has the same origin in this story?
Nolan has done a fantastic job interpreting Batman, and I look forward to this third installment. If he can do with Bane's characterization that he did with the Joker, it will, in my opinion, be great.
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Sorta 'meh' on the movie.
It's like with X-Men: First Class. It'll probably be a perfectly fine movie, but it's become so disconnected from the comic book that I have a hard time caring about it anymore. The class war angle just reminds me of Batman: Fortunate Son, where Batman 'fights' rock music.
And yes, I know I should look at it as a different Batman in a different universe; but I'm not sure that's what I really want. I'm kinda partial to MY Batman; as ambiguous a statement as that is. I was never really into esleworlds titles in comics and movies aren't proving any more attractive.
Maybe I got my hopes up to high with the first two movies. I had my problems with them even then, (the bat-suit, the car, the voice, Christian Bale, Katie Holmes) but it was good enough that I could overlook them. I started imagining what was possibly coming next. Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, Clayface.... what foe would Batman face now?
Watered down versions of Bane and Catwoman seemed to be a bit of an anti-climax.
Again, the movie will probably be fine. I'm just not chomping at the bit to see it.
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Interestingly, that's what impairs my ability to read the actual *comics*. Relative to anyone that started reading comics in the 70s like I did, most of the current stuff is an Elseworld spin off of an Elseworld. It is as unrecognizable compared to the 90s as the 90s were to the 70s and 80s.|
Originally Posted by Cowman
I'm kinda partial to MY Batman; as ambiguous a statement as that is. I was never really into esleworlds titles in comics and movies aren't proving any more attractive.
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But unless you want to live in the past, at some point you have to let it go at least enough to appreciate the new stuff on its own merits. And anyone who can do that with the actual comic books, presumably can do that with things like the movies. The comic books themselves have no special right to reinvent that other genres do not.
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Originally Posted by Hestis
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That makes me
Although to be honest the complains about the 2nd Batman movie with the "can't understand Batman" surprised me.
I saw the 2nd Batman movie and had no issues with it...then I heard that comment and the next time I saw the 2nd Batman movie I was like, "wow...that is hard to hear..."
Hmmm
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In the theater I first saw that preview in, I have to admit I had trouble understanding Bane. I heard "hwum Gotham uff Ahthah, you harph my permifing to die." In the internet posted versions, I can hear and understand him perfectly fine (except for the single word "is"). Ironically, its possible the lack of bass in my PC speakers is preventing his voice from being muffled too badly, which means it will be difficult to judge anything from internet videos.|
Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
That makes me
Although to be honest the complains about the 2nd Batman movie with the "can't understand Batman" surprised me. I saw the 2nd Batman movie and had no issues with it...then I heard that comment and the next time I saw the 2nd Batman movie I was like, "wow...that is hard to hear..." Hmmm |
I didn't have a problem with Bale in The Dark Knight, so maybe I won't have any Bane issues either.
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Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Yes the Gen Xers are all suffering early hearing loss by listening to their MP3 players at to high of a volume.
Me, I'm just old. Speak up youngster. |
Hey, watch those stereo-types!
I don't even own an mp3 player (or ipad, or itouch, or iphone, or any smartphone...)...
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When Batman and Bane yell at each other will the moviegoers be able to understand. Bat's voice in Dark Knight sounded like he was doing the Demosthenes pebbles in the mouth exercise so what's this, equal time for the villain?
It'll be like listening to Mumbles Menino argue with himself.
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